In the mean time, stop running these super-double-secret beta programs that you're bragging about on an online forum at the same time as you're running EVE. EVE is a pretty busy game, and unless these other programs are batch processing programs that need to sit and calculate for a while, there's no reason they need to remain open while you're playing EVE. I agree that a send/don't send button would be nice, but in the end the NDA is your responsibility not CCPs and I wouldn't be running ANYTHING at the same time as a program whose publicized existence could make me liable.

and... there is always the possibility that a flaw in the tool or a hacking event might turn it into something malicious that grabs personal info. If you willy nilly allow data to be sucked off your computer then be prepared for serious RL consequences.


+1 to the Dev's!

First, I believe you need to look up the definition of "bragging". I was not bragging, I was merely stating an example. Also, I'm not sure what game you're playing, but EVE is generally not a 'busy' game. Except during instances of combat, a lot of EVE can be played with it in a window with only one eye paying attention to things happening while you actually do useful things in another window.

Also, I am aware that it's my responsibility, which is why I was asking for the ability to opt into the data collection with the ability to review the data being sent so that I can verify what CCP is collecting and make the determination on if the data can be sent. The alternatives are to not load EVE while doing other things (which may be a blessing in some respects) or take actions to block their crash reporting system (which wouldn't be of benefit to anybody as they would then never receive a crash report as I would just set it and forget it).

I honestly don't get why people are still on about this. CCP said "Hey, awesome crash collection stuff coming up!" to which the question was asked "Is it optional?" CCP quite reasonably said "Oops, not now but we'll make it so!" and everything was fine. I would have preferred it be optional on launch but, again, a Dev gave a reasonable alternative if there were any reservations about the system until they could add the opt in, and again, everything was fine.

Then people came out of the woodwork with "if you have nothing to hide..." crap which is why some of us were giving examples of why we would indeed care. Regardless of how relevant you think they are, I do appreciate that CCP has addressed the concerns.

I'm told the crash dumps are also saved to the cache folder so you're welcome to take a look at them as you like. While I can't promise anything I'm sure we can look into the feasibility of allowing you to view a dump prior to submission as part of the opting in/out process, but that might be farther down the line if at all.

This does not explicitly state that this is for EVE crash reporting, rather than Windows error reporting or 'this is normally what happens during a crash, but we've turned off the dialogue'.

Personal information is not collected in these reports, and it doesnGÇÖt look at anything else you have installed or are running on your computer (unless you have external binaries that have injected themselves into the running EVE process).

I see what you did there, and I approve.

This is what is getting the people pretending to be worried about their privacy all jittery.

Actually, no, that's not what has us 'all jittery'. I'm fine with CCP getting a list of all my running applications (as I have said before), injected into EVE or not, so long as they are up-front about it (hell, Sreegs is welcome to show up at my place unannounced, crash on my couch and go through my computer himself looking for bots) so I can make the decision as to what applications to run at the same time as EVE. I also want the chance to review what they are sending as they currently have some ground to cover to regain my full trust in their statements.

It's all about informed consent balancing against the need for privacy.

I can't make up my mind where on the creep-o-meter showing up at someone's house to rifle through their computer should be placed. It's somewhere below trying on their clothes and above peeking in their medicine cabinet.

I can't make up my mind where on the creep-o-meter showing up at someone's house to rifle through their computer should be placed. It's somewhere below trying on their clothes and above peeking in their medicine cabinet.

This shows the number of crashes per day from our main code line at CCP, generally being worked on by most of the developers (400 people).

Love it,

Will this be an automatic behavior? or will there be any indication that it is happening on the users end? ( I am sure it will be re-assuring to most to see this behavior )

Why on earth would you not want to help CCP to fix crashes?

Companies have lied before about what data is being collected in these types of "it is all benign data, trust us" transmissions. Either for nefarious reasons or, more often, due to mistakes.

*After* I verify the contents of these data dumps I'll be happy to allow their submission.

Trust, but verify. <-- If it is good enough for nuclear weapon treaties it is good enough for personally identifiable information (PII) protection.


I'll unblock it at the DNS server for this house after I see what is being gathered and transmitted.
Until then:
$ nslookup crashes.eveonline.com
Server:10.11.1.3
Address:10.11.1.3#53

** server can't find crashes.eveonline.com: NXDOMAIN

I want to quash this argument right at the beginning. Everybody has something to hide. Maybe not in the EVE client, but that's why people want to check what data is actually being transmitted. It's not your business to know whether I have a **** site open in my browser, or if I'm watching a live stream of Bill O'Reilly.

We are not currently doing anything to enumerate any applications. All that we're retrieving is crash dumps from the EVE Online client which are limited to our own process space.

I can't make up my mind where on the creep-o-meter showing up at someone's house to rifle through their computer should be placed. It's somewhere below trying on their clothes and above peeking in their medicine cabinet.

So yes, I do have things to hide, but they aren't related to EVE online, and what I'm hiding is, quite frankly, should be of no concern to you, CCP or any other entity that does crash reporting.