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CCP Zymurgist
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:36:00 -
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CCP Redundancy is excited about squishing bugs using the new crash reporter coming out in Incarna 1.1.2. Find out all about the crash reporter and how we will be using it to help improve the EVE client here.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP NA, EVE Online
Contact Us at http://support.eveonline.com/pages/petitions/createpetition.aspx |
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Miraqu
Marquie-X Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:38:00 -
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first
So this will be turned on with the next patch?
Or just on SiSi? |
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CCP Solomon
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:41:00 -
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Confirming that this is the beginning of something special 
Associate Technical Producer - Carbon |
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M1AU
Rheintal Underground Rising
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:44:00 -
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Soooo the only thing that matters for me is: does it use any additional Windows OS components and therefor does it still work on Linux through WINE? |
Louis deGuerre
Malevolence.
Void Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:48:00 -
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Very nice. Me Like. 
FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:50:00 -
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Quote:We donGÇÖt like releasing bad code to you or leaving it broken for a long time, and we hope this is a big step forward in fixing that. I hope that in the next few weeks we can put a measurable dent in the number of crashes that happen in EVE
A novel approach! Seems to me that even the technical blogs these days have a fresh way of looking at how CCP has been doing business the last few years.
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[yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:51:00 -
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M1AU wrote:Soooo the only thing that matters for me is: does it use any additional Windows OS components and therefor does it still work on Linux through WINE?
... and Mac?
Rees Noturana // Professional Treasure Hunter |
Didona Carpenito
Akimamur Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:51:00 -
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rock on! |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:52:00 -
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Now if only if they unbury the bug report and steamline it into the game option itself. |
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CCP Redundancy
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:53:00 -
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Miraqu wrote:first
So this will be turned on with the next patch?
Or just on SiSi?
Live on TQ clients from tomorrow's patch.
M1AU wrote:
Soooo the only thing that matters for me is: does it use any additional Windows OS components and therefor does it still work on Linux through WINE?
This uses some very standard libraries - I would be surprised if Eve works without this, but doesn't work with it (although that's not a guarantee).
Rees Noturana wrote:
... and Mac?
We tested Macs internally. |
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ChromeStriker
The Shadow's clutch
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:53:00 -
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ah then for you CCP i will go out of my way to crash everything that is crashable in every crashable way!
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Nulla Curas |
David Magnus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:53:00 -
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A nice update!
Not everyone appreciates these more technical or back-end devblogs, but a lot of us do.
Even more than that, we appreciate that you put in hard work on these less-visible tasks that improve the game for everyone.
Thanks! |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:54:00 -
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Welcome to 2004
Great job, glad to see this happening!
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Celebris Nexterra
Insanely Twisted
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:55:00 -
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Me likey. |
Ronan Teisdari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:58:00 -
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What is defined as a 'crash' ?
Does that include when clients stop responding, but never close?
Does that include when internet connection drops causing the client to stop receiving packets?
What events will cause the crash report to actually be filed? |
Alundil
The Unnamed.
Novum Militis ExParte
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Posted - 2011.10.17 14:59:00 -
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This is a very nice step down the road CCP. Good show. Can't fix what you can't see is broken so this will help immensely. |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:01:00 -
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This is fantastic. Thank you very much!
It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
M1AU
Rheintal Underground Rising
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:01:00 -
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CCP Redundancy wrote:M1AU wrote:
Soooo the only thing that matters for me is: does it use any additional Windows OS components and therefor does it still work on Linux through WINE?
This uses some very standard libraries - I would be surprised if Eve works without this, but doesn't work with it (although that's not a guarantee).
Thanks for the reply. Standard libraries sounds good, it's probably just working ootb. Guess we have to wait for tomorrow. (Setting long skill to be trained.) |
Faith Sunstrider
Manufact Co.
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:04:00 -
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Quote:We reached a point where weGÇÖve actually improved the stability of our tools and fixed a large number of crashes that we were getting internally
Yo dawg, I herd you like crash, so I put an crash in your crash so you can crash while you crash.
I like Redudancy. :) |
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CCP Redundancy
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:04:00 -
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M1AU wrote:Thanks for the reply. Standard libraries sounds good, it's probably just working ootb. Guess we have to wait for tomorrow. (Setting long skill to be trained.)
If you've been on SISI in the last week or so, then you will have been running with this. |
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Miraqu
Marquie-X Corp
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:09:00 -
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The current SiSi build (304168) works without issues on wine 1.3.30. So no need to worry |
Dalton Vanadis
Miranda United
F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:10:00 -
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Thanks guys, keep up the hard work! |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:12:00 -
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good job guys, glad to see the focus on bug fixes.
keep the dev blogs coming. |
M1AU
Rheintal Underground Rising
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:13:00 -
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CCP Redundancy wrote:M1AU wrote:Thanks for the reply. Standard libraries sounds good, it's probably just working ootb. Guess we have to wait for tomorrow. (Setting long skill to be trained.) If you've been on SISI in the last week or so, then you will have been running with this.
Miraqu wrote:The current SiSi build (304168) works without issues on wine 1.3.30. So no need to worry
Thanks, I guess that answers my question very well. |
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CCP Redundancy
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:19:00 -
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Ronan Teisdari wrote:What is defined as a 'crash' ?
Does that include when clients stop responding, but never close?
Does that include when internet connection drops causing the client to stop receiving packets?
What events will cause the crash report to actually be filed?
(in reverse order)
Technically speaking, unhandled C++ exceptions cause this to trigger. This would probably normally be when the client closes and it asks you if you want to upload the information and check for fixes. I've left the normal windows error reporting in case there is an issue with our stuff.
If the internet drops, no crash information uploads can happen.
When clients stop responding but don't close, that's probably a deadlock or an infinite loop. Neither of these counts as a crash, even if they are sucky.
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Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:25:00 -
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I like it. Thumbs up CCP. |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:26:00 -
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Good blog.
I love how your reaction that we didn't have this already mirrored mine. XD
Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado.
Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Solo Drakban
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:33:00 -
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I assume that the uploading of this crash data will be optional? The applications you hold up as examples are opt-in for crash reporting. They do not automatically upload crash information without consent. In fact they bring up nice dialogue boxes on crashing that ask you if they can send the information and include a form for you to give more information on what you were doing when the crash occurred and allow you to review the information that's being sent.
Also, a lot of these do include information not directly related to the application such as applications running at the same time. I know you stated in the blog that this isn't the case for the CCP's collection but give the track record of coding "incidents" (boot.ini anybody?) I'd just like to re-confirm that you've checked whatever library it is you're using to make sure that you actually unset all the flags you meant to.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:36:00 -
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I don't knowGǪ
Too few charts GÇö I'm not convincedGǪ
Anyway, since I use the Mac client, I'm a bit curious as to whether this will only catch EVE-specific crashes or whether it will be able to report cider-related ones as well (or, worse, I'd imagine, ones where EVE and cider collude to make my life miserable)?
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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CCP Redundancy
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:I'm a bit curious as to whether this will only catch EVE-specific crashes or whether it will be able to report cider-related ones as well (or, worse, I'd imagine, ones where EVE and cider collude to make my life miserable)?
I haven't been able to test it with a cider crash, but we managed to get a dump from an artificially manufactured crash in our own code. |
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