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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:49:00 -
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Graygor wrote:silens vesica wrote:Graygor wrote:silens vesica wrote:Sobach wrote:Just heard on the radio that the older brother was enrolled in Bunker Hill Community College to study to be an engineer, and had apparently complained about unable to make American friends.
If true, this is looking more like Columbine with more explosives :/ Heads full of worms, aye.  I'll never get that kind of thinking. No one will be my friends so i will kill everyone! Kind of self defeating. Have been listening to BBC World News Hour on the way to work this AM. They spoke with the boys' uncle, who characterized the older suspect as a 'loser' - a dropout who was doing a whole lot of not much, despite having much potential. BBC's Russia Desk has spoken with the boy's father, who seems to have a lot of difficulty connecting teh younger boy to events in his mind. Apparently the younger brother was expected to be a real star. Both boys were into martial arts; wrestling and some form of Asian martial art. The younger is reported to have had a scholarship in wrestling. Other stories on the BBC include one about the man seen being hustled off in a wheelchair, both legs with rough dressings on; He lost both legs, but when he woke after surgery, he managed to request a pen and paper, wrote out an accurate description of one of the suspects. This was before the pictures had been released - and handed the description off to an FBI agent. Increasingly, the 'Columbine' angle seems to be accurate. Thing is Boston news said that one of them was pretty popular and had many friends, they even interviews one of the friends. Its hard to get a real picture with so many conflicting stories.
With time, truth will surface and it will backup not less than five opposing and mutually incompatible political reads. Man-made tragedies often are bound to end up being of use to someone's Cause...
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:50:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:So........FBI, Police, National Guard etc. have proven that a major American Metropolitan Area can indeed be on utter lockdown.
Interesting...........
Takes a HUGE effort, and cannot last - soon, basic survival needs will force the lifting of the lockdown. Still a disquieting lesson.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 13:55:00 -
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Well WHDH is talking about the surviving suspect an aspiring medical student from AP.
Seems a lot of information is coming out of Russia now. Daddy has nothing but praise for his boys. "Theyre my angels"
Honestly, if I had done something like this, my family would have disavowed any knowledge of me.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:00:00 -
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Graygor wrote:
That does sound likely if they are acting independently with no help from outside sources. They wont have planned ahead and are panicked. They probably thought they were geniuses, and thought that the USA was a soft target like a lot of these groups think.... right until your door is kicked in and they realise how fast everything can change.
Attacking the US is like kicking a tarbaby. Easy enough to do, and it looks like you've dones something significant, but then you realize you've done not much damage, and are now thoroughly stuck and can't escape.
Maybe we should teach B'rer Rabbit to more folks, and draw the links a bit more clearly...
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:02:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Well WHDH is talking about the surviving suspect an aspiring medical student from AP.
Seems a lot of information is coming out of Russia now. Daddy has nothing but praise for his boys. "Theyre my angels"
Honestly, if I had done something like this, my family would have disavowed any knowledge of me.
That's pretty much the approach the Uncle took - Shocked, and cutting them dead. The Uncle is in the US somewhere, I understand, whilst the father is in Dagastan, and is apparently rather out-of-contact. Also still seems to be having one hell of a hard time connecting his children to events. Which is understandible enough.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:05:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Graygor wrote:
That does sound likely if they are acting independently with no help from outside sources. They wont have planned ahead and are panicked. They probably thought they were geniuses, and thought that the USA was a soft target like a lot of these groups think.... right until your door is kicked in and they realise how fast everything can change.
Attacking the US is like kicking a tarbaby. Easy enough to do, and it looks like you've dones something significant, but then you realize you've done not much damage, and are now thoroughly stuck and can't escape. Maybe we should teach B'rer Rabbit to more folks, and draw the links a bit more clearly...
Too bad "Song of the South" has been banned in the US for decades. I was lucky enough to see it at a drive-in in 1974 re-release.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:silens vesica wrote:Graygor wrote:
That does sound likely if they are acting independently with no help from outside sources. They wont have planned ahead and are panicked. They probably thought they were geniuses, and thought that the USA was a soft target like a lot of these groups think.... right until your door is kicked in and they realise how fast everything can change.
Attacking the US is like kicking a tarbaby. Easy enough to do, and it looks like you've dones something significant, but then you realize you've done not much damage, and are now thoroughly stuck and can't escape. Maybe we should teach B'rer Rabbit to more folks, and draw the links a bit more clearly... Too bad "Song of the South" has been banned in the US for decades. I was lucky enough to see it at a drive-in in 1974 re-release.
Yeah. Not an actual ban, but a defacto one - the whole "Song of the South" movie/cartoon was racist as all hell, and Disney Studios is deeply embarased by it. But there were some core lessons hidden under all that nonsense.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Graygor wrote:Well WHDH is talking about the surviving suspect an aspiring medical student from AP.
Seems a lot of information is coming out of Russia now. Daddy has nothing but praise for his boys. "Theyre my angels"
Honestly, if I had done something like this, my family would have disavowed any knowledge of me. I've now heard 3 call-in conversations NBC has had with people who went to high school with the younger guy, and he just does not fit the loner profile at all. Very outgoing and social guy. All his former classmates are in complete shock. That matches. Older brother possibly dominating younger brother, older brother on a downward spiral, decides to lash out. Bad things ensue.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:19:00 -
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My links have started getting copy.
Anyone got a good live feed link?
WHDH went to pot about 30 mins ago.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:27:00 -
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Try this:
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/04/19/watch-video-of-shootout-between-police-and-boston-bombing-suspect/
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:31:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:silens vesica wrote:Graygor wrote:
That does sound likely if they are acting independently with no help from outside sources. They wont have planned ahead and are panicked. They probably thought they were geniuses, and thought that the USA was a soft target like a lot of these groups think.... right until your door is kicked in and they realise how fast everything can change.
Attacking the US is like kicking a tarbaby. Easy enough to do, and it looks like you've dones something significant, but then you realize you've done not much damage, and are now thoroughly stuck and can't escape. Maybe we should teach B'rer Rabbit to more folks, and draw the links a bit more clearly... Too bad "Song of the South" has been banned in the US for decades. I was lucky enough to see it at a drive-in in 1974 re-release. Yeah. Not an actual ban, but a defacto one - the whole " Song of the South" movie/cartoon was racist as all hell, and Disney Studios is deeply embarased by it. But there were some core lessons hidden under all that nonsense.
Even at the age of 9, I found the 'racist' things in it to be strictly accurate depictions of how people were treated at the time of the story. Depicting 'racism' is not the same thing as actual 'racism'.
I remember when Warner Brothers banned TV broadcasts of the Speedy Gonzales cartoons as they were afraid of backlash from the growing Latin community. They finally relented after over a decade after receiving a ton of mail from Mexican citizens about how they consider Speedy to be a National Hero.
But they still won't release the two Speedy cartoons that had his cousin "Slow-Poke Rodriguez". Those are indeed 'problematic'.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:32:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Even at the age of 9, I found the 'racist' things in it to be strictly accurate depictions of how people were treated at the time of the story. Depicting 'racism' is not the same thing as actual 'racism'.
I remember when Warner Brothers banned TV broadcasts of the Speedy Gonzales cartoons as they were afraid of backlash from the growing Latin community. They finally relented after over a decade after receiving a ton of mail from Mexican citizens about how they consider Speedy to be a National Hero.
But they still won't release the two Speedy cartoons that had his cousin "Slow-Poke Rodriguez". Those are indeed 'problematic'.
Probably not wrong, but another thread, perhaps.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:33:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:
Probably not wrong, but another thread, perhaps.
For real.....
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:35:00 -
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Picked off the Fark aggregator:
Younger suspect was popular:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/former-classmates-shocked-by-boston-bombers-crimes
Older brother had some fairly odd plans for becoming naturalized:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/459179/20130419/tamerlan-tsarnaev-boxer-boston-marathon.htm
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:38:00 -
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So apparently the younger brother is the nicest person you could have hoped to meet. Many friends reporting they are shocked etc etc.
Older brother seems to be a blank.
But now being reported that the older brother had a makeshift suicide belt on when he was shot and injured. So I'm guessing he took at least one round to the head, as thats the practice here with suicide bombers. Put them down hard, and put them down permanently.
Given that the boston bomb has ball bearings and other projectiles that could have done a lot of damage.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:41:00 -
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Graygor wrote:
But now being reported that the older brother had a makeshift suicide belt on when he was shot and injured. So I'm guessing he took at least one round to the head, as thats the practice here with suicide bombers. Put them down hard, and put them down permanently.
Given that the boston bomb has ball bearings and other projectiles that could have done a lot of damage.
Reports are that the older suspect died of gunshot and blast injuries - also that the vehicle the suspects were in had its windows blown out. Belt may've gone off anyway.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:43:00 -
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Can happen. I doubt Boston PD or MIT cops are trained in aiming for the head rather than the centre mass. It can trigger the belt.
That tells me its rather low grade and amateur. The ones here are nasty because those making them know their stuff.
News now of a campus being evacuated. Not sure which one.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:49:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Can happen. I doubt Boston PD or MIT cops are trained in aiming for the head rather than the centre mass. It can trigger the belt.
That tells me its rather low grade and amateur. The ones here are nasty because those making them know their stuff.
News now of a campus being evacuated. Not sure which one. Consistent with getting their info from teh interwebs - sophisticated approach, inexperienced execution. Which is consistent with 'lone wolf' situation.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:52:00 -
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You know, its really getting to me now with watching CNN on TV how they keep eulogizing the younger suspect, with him being so likeable etc. And forgetting the victims.
Yes, innocent until proven guilty. But if its true that he confessed upon jacking the SUV from MIT then he's gone pretty much bang to rights.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:55:00 -
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ABC news is reporting that the suspects confessed their role in the bombing to the guy they carjacked.
ABC is also reporting that their boys' father is calling on them to surrender, but also said if the police his son "all hell will break loose." Whatver the hell that means. 
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Sobach
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:56:00 -
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Police got a 60-70yr old man atm, who's wearing a "device"
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 14:56:00 -
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Got a link for that Sobach or is it off the TV / Radio?
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Sobach
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:00:00 -
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police scanner:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ma-rt-9-window-cam |
Rain6639
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:04:00 -
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why is this beginning to sound like a Tom Clancy plot
EDM? you mean EFM |
silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:04:00 -
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From the "Ready, Fire, Aim" files; Two men detained in Niagara Falls for... Stuff:
Hedging our bets?
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:08:00 -
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Also: Reports are that among other things, the younger suspect drove over the older suspect in attempting to get away. Not sure this is accurate, or how it dove-tails into the rest of the picture.
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Rain6639
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:09:00 -
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oh wow.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:10:00 -
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If his belt had exploded that wouldnt fit with the burnt out vehicle. Especially if the brother was taken to hospital.
I take that with a pinch of salt.
Edit
this just popped us on my RSS feed.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:14:00 -
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Graygor wrote:If his belt had exploded that wouldnt fit with the burnt out vehicle. Especially if the brother was taken to hospital.
I take that with a pinch of salt. Agreed.
Fark thread from Boston/Watertown residents - They've got some intersting things to say, mostly local. If you don't know the area or culture, you may get a bit lost (true of Boston under any circumstances, of course!):
http://www.fark.com/comments/7707911/Boston-locals-coordinate-info-in-this-thread-What-do-you-see-outside-Nonlocals-welcome-to-repost-from-other-sources-twfbetc?startid=83716399
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:19:00 -
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Father has already started to insunate that police may have a 'hit' out on younger son whom he insists (from the other side of the globe) is innocent. Predicts 'all hell' breaking loose if second son dies. Claims an 'inside job' proven if second suspect is killed.
UMASS Dartmouth evacuation probably precautionary; Younger suspect lives, or has lived, in the Pinedale residence hall. Most likely an overabundance of caution, but not something to chance.
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