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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:19:00 -
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I just saw this comment.
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How did they get their guns?
Once again the NRA will be found to be murderers.
Jon , NJ (04.19.13)
Sigh.......
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:20:00 -
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Graygor wrote:I just saw this comment. Quote:
How did they get their guns?
Once again the NRA will be found to be murderers.
Jon , NJ (04.19.13)
Sigh.......
Never waste a good crisis. 
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:21:00 -
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Graygor wrote:I just saw this comment. Quote:
How did they get their guns?
Once again the NRA will be found to be murderers.
Jon , NJ (04.19.13)
Sigh.......
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:34:00 -
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From here. Dunno its validity but an interesting read.
Quote:Police have identified Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, as the "black hat" bombing suspect, killed during the manhunt that followed. Readers have pointed out that Johannes Hirn made Tsarnaev the subject of a photo essay, "Will Box for Passport," taken before the boxer competed at National Golden Gloves competition in Salt Lake City. The captions give us a micro-profile of the suspect.
Tamerlan, who studies at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston and wants to become an engineer, took the semester off from school to train for the competition.
Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee.
Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: "I don't have a single American friend, I don't understand them."
If he wins enough fights... Tamerlan says he could be selected for the US Olympic team and be naturalized American. Unless his native Chechnya becomes independent, Tamerlan says he would rather compete for the United States than for Russia.
Tamerlan says he doesn't drink or smoke anymore: "God said no alcohol." A muslim, he says: "There are no values anymore," and worries that "people can't control themselves."
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Now that the CopyCats have been activated and watched an entire city be placed on lockdown and utterly disrupted, I'd be nervous about attending any of the gay Pride Parades and Events coming up worldwide throughout the month of June. That will bring out the true crazies if there are anymore.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:38:00 -
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Graygor wrote:From here. Dunno its validity but an interesting read.
Matches things I've seen elsewhere. Mind you, many people share those values, and live blameless, normal lives. The bit about 'not understanding' Americans, after the lengthy life here, indicates something else going on. Possible undiagnosed psychiatric disorder? Fits some of the early indicators we're getting - and some of the nastier ones tend to show up in the mid-eary 20s...
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:40:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Now that the CopyCats have been activated and watched an entire city be placed on lockdown and utterly disrupted, I'd be nervous about attending any of the gay Pride Parades and Events coming up worldwide throughout the month of June. That will bring out the true crazies if there are anymore.
Less worried about that than I am what's going to start happening anywhere abortions or family planning is offered. Gay Pride events tend to not attract the realy dangerous whackos.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:41:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Now that the CopyCats have been activated and watched an entire city be placed on lockdown and utterly disrupted, I'd be nervous about attending any of the gay Pride Parades and Events coming up worldwide throughout the month of June. That will bring out the true crazies if there are anymore.
I wouldnt worry. There will be beefed up security for these kinds of events and bigger sweeps. London Marathon is this sunday.
Dont let things like this affect your life. If the people of Boston are showing one thing is that they wont be cowed by threats. As a friend of mine from Boston was saying on TS the other days.
"Whoever did this clearly didnt understand Bostonians, if they think this is going to face us they dont know crap."
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:49:00 -
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More on the legless dude who gave case-breaking description (maybe):
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/04/19/jeff_bauman_boston_bombing_double_amputee_in_iconic_cowboy_photo_may_have.html
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:54:00 -
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If its true, well done that man.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:57:00 -
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On the West Wing right after 9/11 they had an episode about terrorism, this scene and this scene are pretty good.
BTW the West Wing is pretty much the only TV show that deals with terrorism where 9/11 never happened. Being a show about the White House having "The President" deal with that would be pretty insulting.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 15:58:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Now that the CopyCats have been activated and watched an entire city be placed on lockdown and utterly disrupted, I'd be nervous about attending any of the gay Pride Parades and Events coming up worldwide throughout the month of June. That will bring out the true crazies if there are anymore. Less worried about that than I am what's going to start happening anywhere abortions or family planning is offered. Gay Pride events tend to not attract the realy dangerous whackos.
The point is, I guess, that between social events and even attending a motion picture, somehow the whackos have gotten the idea that they 'have been given permission to kill' oneself when one 'undocks' from one's abode.
Although this won't stop events from happening, it's becoming harder and harder to find things to attend where one does not have to give at least some thought that you might not actually live through it. This will have a psychological affect, no matter how much we chant 'we will go on'.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:04:00 -
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Dont doubt human resilience, after compound interest its probably the most powerful thing in the universe. It truly is an amazing thing. People still ate out at restaurants here when they were being blown up, and getting on the bus.
You cant let fear rule your life. 10 years ago you were just as at risk even 20 / 30 / 40 years ago. The risk was always there you just dont think about it.
Think about it this way. The boston bombings were 3 dead and over 100 injured. How many people died on bostons roads the day before? You're far more likely to be killed crossing the road than by a terrorist or some whack job.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:11:00 -
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I don't know. There seems to have been an acceleration since 9/11, and even another acceleration since the Aurora Theater Massacre. Although rarely repeated by the same persons, it is obvious that success can be had with this behavior.
I just don't think we can rely on past responses and 'determination' when moving forward from all this. I believe this has entered an entirely new dangerous paradigm.
Burying our heads in the snow, and pretending it's all going to be alright, is actually a dangerous idea at the moment. And pretending is all it is.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:13:00 -
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But then what do you suggest? You can hardly move to a police state where freedom is sacrificed for imagined security.
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Sobach
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:17:00 -
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When a piece of **** speaks, only **** comes out.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:18:00 -
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Graygor wrote:But then what do you suggest? You can hardly move to a police state where freedom is sacrificed for imagined security.
Yup. It's actually a huge new unknown. The alternatives are certainly limited. But tackling the sheer amount of problems and issues that have in combination contributed to these behaviors is almost a nigh impossible task.
Although I don't offer solutions because of the huge complexity, that does not make it ok to just blindly go around thinking that everything is going to be ok. That certainly won't lead to any productive approach to solving any of this.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:22:00 -
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Well of course. He can hardly admit that the children of expatriots who have only tenuous connection to their ethnic homeland have gone off an all on their own done something horrible. That would make Chechnya look... Innocent?
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:23:00 -
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I dont admit that everything is ok. I just wont let it rule my life.
There is only a limit you can take with security sweeps. Hundreds of attempts have been foiled globally since 9/11 and unknown numbers before. The few blips have been horrible but it is important that it is shown that they have no impact.
The biggest problem today in geopolitics is that the "war on terror" cannot be fought with armies. It should be fought with accountants. Follow the money to its source and neuter it and you curtail most of the worlds terror organisations as their members dont fight for free. Even suicide bombers get large endowments to their families.
But that would screw too much with the status quo.
But thats a topic for another day and another thread.
Cant seem to find anymore about the old man and the suicide belt.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:29:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Although I don't offer solutions because of the huge complexity, that does not make it ok to just blindly go around thinking that everything is going to be ok. That certainly won't lead to any productive approach to solving any of this.
Actually, I *would* recommend pretty much something very close to exactly that. Living normally, and refusing to bend to these kinds of things is a great big F*SK YOU! to the people who do them - They want to make us change - Screw that!
Common-sense actions and precautions that do not interfere with life as lived normally are fine. But panicking into making serious changes to our social structure and behavior is surrender. I frankly find the DHS to be one of the most humiliating defeats forced on us by terrorism. The Patriot Act is another.
You cannot prevent whackos - they exist now, and always will, in every society, no matter what the precautions. But there are people out there who hate us simply for being us. The best way to stave them off whilst getting revenge on them is to keep on being what they hate.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:31:00 -
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Graygor wrote:
The biggest problem today in geopolitics is that the "war on terror" cannot be fought with armies. It should be fought with accountants. Follow the money to its source and neuter it and you curtail most of the worlds terror organisations as their members dont fight for free. Even suicide bombers get large endowments to their families.
Indeed.
Like in Game of Thrones: "Who are they going to follow ?" "The one with the money".
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:53:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Although I don't offer solutions because of the huge complexity, that does not make it ok to just blindly go around thinking that everything is going to be ok. That certainly won't lead to any productive approach to solving any of this.
Actually, I *would* recommend pretty much something very close to exactly that. Living normally, and refusing to bend to these kinds of things is a great big F*SK YOU! to the people who do them - They want to make us change - Screw that! Common-sense actions and precautions that do not interfere with life as lived normally are fine. But panicking into making serious changes to our social structure and behavior is surrender. I frankly find the DHS to be one of the most humiliating defeats forced on us by terrorism. The Patriot Act is another. You cannot prevent whackos - they exist now, and always will, in every society, no matter what the precautions. But there are people out there who hate us simply for being us. The best way to stave them off whilst getting revenge on them is to keep on being what they hate.
I'm about to say something rather controversial, so before I continue I do not mean to insult anyone.
I think the fundamental difference we are seeing here in attitudes is that Silens and I are / were soldiers )for simplicities sake I know you were a squid), and to my knowledge Krix you've never been in the military.
Soldiers have to accept the risk of death as part of their job, a civilian does not. I do not want to diminish the risks that many civilians have dangerous jobs. The factory in Texas shows us this. But a soldier accepts this from the moment he takes his shilling. While you never think of it, you know that in the back of your mind it might well happen to you or "someone other than me, because im me". Its part of daily life, soldiers dont just die in battle, there are hundreds of ways to die a hundred miles away from the enemy. You develop a kind of fatalistic attitude that protects you from this. A civilian does not face this willingly have to put themselves into this situation.
Now, I'm not trying to say a soldier is better than a civilian, far from it. I've met many a man in uniform who I would happily describe as being scum, and unworthy of everything he stands for. A soldier is not braver than a civilian, the events of Boston this past week have shown to reinforce this. But the fundamental difference is a soldier knows, accepts and understands that death is likely.
I dont mean to not include all the other civil services such as the police force, fire, ambulance etc who put their lives on the line daily like the poor sob who was gunned down at MIT in his patrol car simply because of his uniform. Death is just as much a reality for them as it is for a soldier.
But a civilian can nurture a kind of naivety that is a wonderful thing. And when this is shattered it can be very difficult for it to be repaired and this is how things like the PATRIOT Act come about. A soldier even after he has left the service shall forever be a soldier, they can never have the wonderful gift that civilians have where they can settle down into their new lives. They know the world is a scary, nasty, dangerous place and have a kind of built in pessimism.
I dont see there being any kind of peace in my life. I hope there will be, I truly do. But I do not. A civilian can believe in the dream of peace around them and it is a great thing. It's not a case of ignorance is bliss, America is a safe country for the most part, and it is a safety that has been built by both civilians and soldiers. You should feel safe going to the threatre, the mall, the barber, the supermarket. the day civilians do not that is the day that soldiers know they have failed.
But as Jefferson said, he who would give up a little liberty for a little security, shall gain neither, and lose both.
In lieu of a better answer to the current challenges faced, it might be time to borrow a page from the UK during world war 2.
Keep calm and carry on.
As at the end of the day, panic, fear, and paranoia will do far more damage than any home made bomb or shooting ever could.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:53:00 -
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What I find strange, is that the authorities were actually chasing these guys in their car, even had explosives thrown at them, the younger guy even runs over his own brother with the car.......and then the police lost track of him ?
Were there seriously 'not enough eyes' on the scene at that time ?
That's kinda clumsy tbh, especially considering the level of security presence.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:55:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Although I don't offer solutions because of the huge complexity, that does not make it ok to just blindly go around thinking that everything is going to be ok. That certainly won't lead to any productive approach to solving any of this.
Actually, I *would* recommend pretty much something very close to exactly that. Living normally, and refusing to bend to these kinds of things is a great big F*SK YOU! to the people who do them - They want to make us change - Screw that!
Well, they have managed to make it obvious how willingly Americans are to sacrifice those freedoms and take an entire city into lockdown mode. That's already here.....and now proven as do-able.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 16:58:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:silens vesica wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Although I don't offer solutions because of the huge complexity, that does not make it ok to just blindly go around thinking that everything is going to be ok. That certainly won't lead to any productive approach to solving any of this.
Actually, I *would* recommend pretty much something very close to exactly that. Living normally, and refusing to bend to these kinds of things is a great big F*SK YOU! to the people who do them - They want to make us change - Screw that! Well, they have managed to make it obvious how willingly Americans are to sacrifice those freedoms and take an entire city into lockdown mode. That's already here.....and now proven as do-able.
Sadly true - but not yet irreversable.
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:00:00 -
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Terrorism isn't a big problem in the United States, falling down the stairs is much, more likely to kill you. The US needs a war on stairs, have a steep alert, pay big bucks into contractors to built elevators. War on stairs would be the greatest single story in American history. There is an endless list of things at home more likely to kill you than a terrorist attack. Higher chance of being shot by a "Loyal American".
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:02:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:A police state for terrorism is like a sledge hammer for a fly, you won't hit the fly any better and you'll wreck your home.
That is a damn good analogy.
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silens vesica
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:06:00 -
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Graygor wrote:
Keep calm and carry on.
As at the end of the day, panic, fear, and paranoia will do far more damage than any home made bomb or shooting ever could.
Amen, brother.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:What I find strange, is that the authorities were actually chasing these guys in their car, even had explosives thrown at them, the younger guy even runs over his own brother with the car.......and then the police lost track of him ?
Were there seriously 'not enough eyes' on the scene at that time ?
That's kinda clumsy tbh, especially considering the level of security presence.
Not particularly offended that this happened - someone following the chase to the scene reported a 'half dozen' cars - that's maybe 12 officers? They're recieving hot fire, and explosions are going off. Other officers were close behind, but they had to get oriented to the action, determine where their fellows were, and where the bad guys were, before they could deploy to isiolate and contain.
Not at all hard to see how the second suspect could've broken contact in that.
The smaller the unit, the better the unit coordination, thus the faster the reaction.
The alternative is to 'mob-on' and that risks a LOT of unnecessary casualties whilst the suspect may still manage to break contact. Not a good choice...
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:07:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Terrorism isn't a big problem in the United States, falling down the stairs is much, more likely to kill you. The US needs a war on stairs, have a steep alert, pay big bucks into contractors to built elevators. War on stairs would be the greatest single story in American history. There is an endless list of things at home more likely to kill you than a terrorist attack. Higher chance of being shot by a "Loyal American".
A police state for terrorism is like a sledge hammer for a fly, you won't hit the fly any better and you'll wreck your home.
Bravo. Well said.
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Graygor
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Posted - 2013.04.19 17:10:00 -
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Theres a twisted irony in here somewhere.
Quote:Boston bombing suspect Dzhokar Tsarnaev became a U.S. citizen on September 11, 2012, a federal official tells CNN.
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