My only question was Gǣ[the problem arises when players uses ships not intended for cov-ops roles] such asGǪ?Gǥ so I presume this is what you mean?

SoGǪ how is does that fall outside of the intended use of cloaks or non-covops ships?

If they used said cloak to hide only, then no, it wouldn't be a problem. But they scan too, quite actively, atleast for a moment. Then they wait for complacency.

If non cov-ops could be prevented from scanning aswell, then no, it wouldn't be a problem.

Of course it would be a problem. A big problem. This pilot is industrial/scanner. Flies a magnate for scanning. Pops into a hole, hits dscan while still cloaked from the hole, and if that's clear will drop probes, cloak and scan.

Why you still trying to nerf my hole, bro?

Here: I fix for you.

If they used said cloak to hide only, then no, it wouldn't be a problem. But they scan too, quite actively, atleast for a moment. Then they wait for complacency.

If non cov-ops could be prevented from scanning aswell, then no, it wouldn't be a problem.

That's flat out clunky and hard to explain from a lore or immersion standpoint.

There's a better way.

I don't wan't AFK cloakers in WH not to be affected. At best give them 3-4 minutes on grid before a cloak probe scan can even register that a random point exists. Otherwise if you AFK in a "hole" as apparently y'all like to call it. You ought to be able to be found and destroyed. WH hisec, lull and null

yes I am trying to break AFK cloaking.

The same argument you make can be made for the "need" of AFK cloaking in any space. "We NEED to counter local" "We NEED to get these (free) kills"

So your solution instead of addressing the solution is removing them from local so they have even more guaranteed free kills.

No that is not a solution and yes I am trying to break AFK cloaking. The same argument you make can be made for the "need" of AFK cloaking in any space. "We NEED to counter local" "We NEED to get these (free) kills"

If you can sit there in a system cloaked with access to Dscan then go take a shower take a nap or do what you want. I want it made risky. Not exempted.

So your solution instead of addressing the solution is removing them from local so they have even more guaranteed free kills.

No that is not a solution and yes I am trying to break AFK cloaking. The same argument you make can be made for the "need" of AFK cloaking in any space. "We NEED to counter local" "We NEED to get these (free) kills"

If you can sit there in a system cloaked with access to Dscan then go take a shower take a nap or do what you want. I want it made risky. Not exempted.

This thread is still going?

Tippia and Ingvar, you guys have way more patience than I do.

Hell atleast some are trying to offer their views on the subject. Even if it is going to do nothing more than boost AFK cloaking rather than stop the incentive as mine can.

GǪexcept, of course, that yours does not stop the incentive to AFK cloak (nor does it offer any reason as to why it needs to), whereas the other suggestions do.

Others are too harsh such as fuel bays and random decloaks.

Still others are a stealth boost to AFK cloaking such as vanishing in local after cloak

Target only the incentive to AFK cloak and nothing else.

Thats the tenth time, the one time where the agressor maybe decided to stay for just a little to long. Or forgot to align to a safe spot. Or was just a little less focused than usual.

So your solution instead of addressing the solution is removing them from local so they have even more guaranteed free kills.

No that is not a solution and yes I am trying to break AFK cloaking. The same argument you make can be made for the "need" of AFK cloaking in any space. "We NEED to counter local" "We NEED to get these (free) kills"

If you can sit there in a system cloaked with access to Dscan then go take a shower take a nap or do what you want. I want it made risky. Not exempted.

Well one thing we can gather from your invented statistics, is that you believe that cloaking isn't safe and they can be caught. Good to know.

I recognize a stealth boost to cloaking (And the usual "remove local" antics) when I see one

I support my idea to remove the incentive to AFK cloak.

If I wanted cloaks removed I would say something like "Make cloaks only work for one very quick cycle so nobody would fit them"

Instead I say "If you walk away from your computer cloaked in a safespot or a "Hole" I want to be able to eventually find and destroy you if you dont return quickly and take action."

If you normal cloak. Just get the frak off grid during the LONG scan cycles

Now there is leeway in this plan for adaptions.

He will simply stay in a safespot. Watch Dscan and run in for the hotdrop before your sonar could even think. Sadly anything less than probes just wont be enough.

I do like the spirit of it tho.

There needs to be the ability to remain on grid for hours on end cloaked while simply watching an enemy pos for example. It's a vital intel gathering method. If you break this, you disrupt the entire paradigm of wormhole intel gathering, yet can provide no valid reason for wanting to do so when there are simpler and more elegant solutions to "fix" this non-issue.

The point is removing local isn't going to remove AFK cloaking.

A cov ops aligns and warps fast. And the scan time for my probes is so long there is no reasonable way for the enemy to predict when you are making your reset point run. If they think starting a scan guarantees that you will move away long enough for them to move the good stuff they are wrong,

And for wormholes I have already said I don't mind making your initial reset point appear only after you remain on grid for some time. (So you can constantly reset your grid and the enemy not even know you are there for those wormholes) I am after adding risk to going afk while cloaking.