So lets see. If I ran an alliance I could tell 6 anticloakers to secure the system. And ill pay them each 100 million per hour. I could then tell my BlingSheep Fleet to begin harvesting all bounties and sites in the system and charge them 25% tax. I could tell the PimpedOutRockHumper Fleet to begin strip mining the asteroids in their best fits and charge them a 25% mineral tax.

And when we were done we could move on to the next system.

Like a swarm of locust.

And as I did this the allure and safety would harvest more recruits to further expand our proliferation. Multiple systems at once.

And then the cloaker with level 5 to cloak with supporting skills come in and laugh and kills pimped out mining barges while your alliance mates scream bloody murder in their inability to catch the cloaker since the damn man is mobile and is using his wits.

And then the cloaker with level 5 to cloak with supporting skills come in and laugh and kills pimped out mining barges while your alliance mates scream bloody murder in their inability to catch the cloaker since the damn man is mobile and is using his wits.

Add 1 escort to any fleet for each unidentified cloaker in system , might I suggest EWAR of which im a month and a half training away from being all elite certed in, and watch how no one dies to those level 5 cloakers anymore.

So now you have to pay the support guys too, and the EWAR, What if all of these guys begin to get bored, since the "anticloakers" can't deal with the problem, and said problem won't appear since the support guys are around? You pay them more? What about a payout system for lost ships? How mutch money do you have left now? Will you have enough to secure a new system in the same way?

You know these things can go back and forth indeffenately since we are only basing this off on assumptions right?

You are arguing that fail corps and alliances exist, i'm arguing genius level superconglomerates exist. I know admitting defeat is rough but we can't balance the game based on how it will be exploited by the naive and lazy. We absolutely must balance the game based on what the ingenious and ambitious will exploit.

You are using an excuse that will support your cause the most, as am I. I think its commendable that you believe that if something to work a bit againts cloakers is introduced then suddenly allainces will spring forth with every player in that alliance being of genius level against one normal cloaker, and that the cloaker then suddenly is in a hopeless position, and will get instadecloaked as soon as he enters a system.

From my experience in EVE some of the best players I have met, fought against, and with have been players that have been able to think outside the box.

But this is getting old. I have given a solution that will not even touch your cloak.

What you want is a slight in your mind, chance at circumventing risk to allow for a measure of safety in regions you aren't meant to have any. In situations that you are meant to have zero safety while in. And the answer unapologetically and politely is, no. No, you may not have that.

[quote=Lord Zim][quote=Caliph Muhammed]averse players wanting absolute safety to farm null sec.

I want to deal with afk, witch is what is causing all these threads to pop up. And as I've said I have brought forth a solution that don't even touch cloaks, so you can cloak as mutch as you want to your hearts content without any form of countermeasure at all.

And when the reward no longer matches the risk, you make adjustments.

AFK cloaking for prolonged hours and popping in just to 'keep things lively' for long hours is no different than AFK mining in highsec. No risk, since this can be done overnight/long meals/Battlefield 3 matches; and yield a high reward. (don't try to argue that 'activity deprivation' isn't a gain for the intruding party)

The game isn't about 'safety', something driven home by the game designers and game players alike. it's about measures and countermeasures. Not having a 'countermeasure' of some kind to 'afk cloaking' isn't much different from saying you shouldn't be able to gank miners in highsec. A 'countermeasure' doesn't (and shouldn't) guarantee anything, it offers chance and opportunity.

AFK'ers shouldn't be 'guaranteed' safety, unless they're docked and plan on staying so. Cloakers or otherwise. Reward people who pay attention, mitigate those who cannot be noticed, and punish the inattentive or neglectful. Rules to live by in EVE.

Refresh my memory. Your solution is what? Movement? If i'm laying in ambush with a cloaked drake in an asteroid belt waiting for a unsuspecting miner to wander into my web the movement would make doing so incredibly tedious.

If i'm in a covert ops ship near your base i'd orbit at whatever distance I felt reasonably safe in doing so which would result in movement and making the solution an exercise in futility.

What about station afk? Are we going to eject people automatically?

The answer is no.

Which would take an hour or so to code something to make that a waste of time. And it solves nothing. And it involves making life easier in situations that aren't meant to be easier in.

Mmmm, botting. Just what the doctor ordered.

Mmmm, botting. Just what the doctor ordered.

Indeed

The tears I suckle from you marks knowing no change to cloaking is coming and that all your dreams of blissful isk farming in nullsexy are never going to come true makes me feel alive.

Knowing Tippia is on our side makes me confident. Knowing you're carebears in a critical mass of thieves and cutthroats makes me giggle.

The tears I suckle from you marks knowing no change to cloaking is coming and that all your dreams of blissful isk farming in nullsexy are never going to come true makes me feel alive.

The disappointment you endure everyday wanting to mine a fortune in minerals, scanning sites or farming rats that's ruined by the fact you can't find one person willing to accompany you is heaven sent. Knowing my skill plays to that human ineptness and that I alone can hold so much power and act as a grey cloud on your otherwise sunny day makes me horny.

Knowing Tippia is on our side makes me confident. Knowing you're carebears in a critical mass of thieves and cutthroats makes me giggle.

Devs response to breaking cloaks

Caliph's video response to the proposal

People really are running instantly for the next dock and refuse to come out because somewhere in the system a ship is sitting around doing effectively nothing?

And are complaining about this?

For real?

So lets see. If I ran an alliance I could tell 6 anticloakers to secure the system. And ill pay them each 100 million per hour. I could then tell my BlingSheep Fleet to begin harvesting all bounties and sites in the system and charge them 25% tax. I could tell the PimpedOutRockHumper Fleet to begin strip mining the asteroids in their best fits and charge them a 25% mineral tax.

And when we were done we could move on to the next system.

Like a swarm of locust.

And as I did this the allure and safety would harvest more recruits to further expand our proliferation. Multiple systems at once.

I won't even take you down the road of step two. How would you like it if I took the proceeds from said setup and began buying EVE's entire production of any given useful item and had the ability to set it's price? How about anti cloaking devices would never be cheaper than a billion each because of standing buy orders? Or any other number of items I had the urge to control.

You see with the ability to absolutely secure something, be it self or space, you fundamentally break the game. And all it takes is someone with the will and ingenuity to do so.

I think that it is really telling that the people in favor of nerfing cloaks are in noob corps (all 2 of them). I think the real title of this thread should be "a plan to make it so that my mining bot won't stay docked when someone is afk cloaked in system."

I don't believe you understand my plan. If you are warping about you cant be detected period. If you are active those 6 "anticloakers" will have an annoying day indeed trying to find you.

But once you go AFK for an extended period of time they can uncloak you at your safespot. Then if you still have not moved by the time they finish their combat probing then you are a new clone by the time you get back.

Very simple and very balanced.



It is called retaliation for forum posts. And there have been instances where a main poster was either threatened with or gained an AFK cloak in their system for supporting or being against an idea.

This is obviously my posting alt.

absolutely secure null farming.

No change will come to cloaking because players disagree, that my friend is a fact. Another fact is that one side don't want a change so they keep disagreeing. As evident by a lack of cooperation. But again I digress since I have come to agree that the cloak is fine. It is the afk that is not.

You can contunie to guess what it is I do in EVE as mutch as you want. And to the rest...ok... tmi.

I guess it is easy to take the same side as the popular. As it is just as easy to come up with the same counterarguments again and again without any spec wanting to try and come up with a solution that can be worked on or trying to work with what is presented.

Cute videos, I do like South Park.

And to the "troll word", it is because we guessed, quite correctly, that botting would be one of the first counterarguments to why the solution might fail. Thought I didn't think it would come that quickly, and not from you.

But this is getting personal so lets stop, I can even let you have the final word if you so desire.

Correction. It is breaking YOUR cloak method that requires you to be able to enjoy a hot bath or night at the movies (Go ahead and claim you are watching the hole like a hawk that I simply wont believe) Uncloak, kill, get your solo kill or be baited and have to refit your cheap ass ship and come back later. If in nullsec you get your billions victory from a hotdrop.

The "safety" comes because you don't want to be active. Don't want to spend the 15 secs logging in and recloaking the moment you appear. Yes you now have a single disadvantage! A new feeling I bet.