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Garr Khan
Vasilkovsky Interstellar Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.25 19:55:00 -
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I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year:
http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpg
The section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Jewbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream).
Luckily CCP Anal took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made... |

Dave Stark
2845
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Posted - 2013.04.25 19:56:00 -
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i'm sorry, what's the issue here? |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
143
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Posted - 2013.04.25 19:57:00 -
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Who cares? Jews are not immune from having the p*ss taken out of them just because some of them were murdered. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
3314
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Posted - 2013.04.25 19:57:00 -
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Stereotyping is bad mmkay.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Old Fellow
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.04.25 19:58:00 -
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Garr Khan wrote:I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year: http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpgThe section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Je wbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream). Luckily CCP An al took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made...
Is it just me or somebody being offended by this makes it even greater?
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John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
143
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Posted - 2013.04.25 19:58:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stereotyping is bad mmkay.
No it isn't. If it's accurate it's accurate. People need to get over it TBH. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
286
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Posted - 2013.04.25 19:59:00 -
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Eh. It's in poor taste, but meh. It's one individual's presentation, and he acted in poor taste. So.
What's actionable here? My thought is that an apology is desirable, along with recognition that the joke was in poor taste. Beyond that...? |

Tergerom Loregeron
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:01:00 -
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As an honest to god Jew whom isn't apart of this financial collaboration think tank I am absolutely insulted by the light hearted nature taken towards this blatant racism from the panel (and based on a few posts up, in this thread). I demand that such comments and insensitive remarks be censored or the speakers/posters be silenced. Did the death of hundreds of millions of Jewish men, women, and children not satisfy your hatred for our loving intelligent kind? Please, I've had enough of this horrible cycle. |

Implying Implications
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
330
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:03:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Stereotyping is bad mmkay.
No it isn't. If it's accurate it's accurate. People need to get over it TBH. Racism is never okay. püåpüÉpüàn+P |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1451
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:04:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry, what's the issue here? Image stereotyping.
Classless and rude, but probably not a good cause over which to start the torches and pitchforks. Hell, he might be poking fun at his own face, for all we know... Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4710
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:05:00 -
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This thread will go far. Module activation timers are buggy. CCP please fix. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
308
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:05:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry, what's the issue here?
The graphic of the Jew which was pretty much what the ****'s drew on their propaganda posters.
It's like if CCP showed a picture of a white actor wearing "black face".
And if you don't know what that is you should google it. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Sentamon
858
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:06:00 -
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Oh look someone making an issue out of a non-issue. Must want a handout or sympathy again. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
368
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:06:00 -
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Garr Khan wrote:I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year: http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpgThe section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Je wbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream). Luckily CCP An al took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made...
Please tell us about GSF Cloud Ring fights with Ev0ke or how GSF has poses with hardeners set up as swastikas. Post logs from local spam. I am sure GSF will be a beacon of light in these dark days or people will just laugh at you for being a complete tool and trying to be ~edgy~.
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Tergerom Loregeron
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:10:00 -
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Varesk wrote:Garr Khan wrote:I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year: http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpgThe section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Je wbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream). Luckily CCP An al took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made... Please tell us about GSF Cloud Ring fights with Ev0ke or how GSF has poses with hardeners set up as swastikas. Post logs from local spam. I am sure GSF will be a beacon of light in these dark days or people will just laugh at you for being a complete tool and trying to be ~edgy~.
Typical victim blaming. Have you no shame? |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
393
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:12:00 -
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Crikey thats bad. Fanfest always seems to have some sort of controversy, and you can't get much more racist than that, being that its a specific racial caricature. That term, which i won't personally use, certainly seems to get thrown around alot by EvE morons.
I guess i'll go make some popcorn and what for this to blow up!
Post with your main, like a BOSS! |

Dave Stark
2845
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:15:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry, what's the issue here? The graphic of the Jew which was pretty much the image the National Socialists (WW2 Germany) drew on their propaganda posters. It's like if CCP showed a picture of a white actor wearing "black face". And if you don't know what that is you should google it.
yeah... still not seeing the issue? |

Esharan
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
17
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:17:00 -
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It's fairly offensive, if only because it mirrors typical anti-jewish propaganda images from the ****'s (<----Considering the very word here is censored shows that CCP clearly pays attention to this issue...)in WW2. I mean I'm not going to get all emo-ragey about it but it is fairly tasteless and shows sort of bad judgment on this guys behalf. We all make mistakes, whether or not he learns (or cares to learn) from it will be a more important factor and reveal his true character.
<-- From a Jew.
Also to the guy who said "people need to get over it." lol wut?
Get over a Holocaust that was just over 60 years ago, and was propagated by images just like this and started out as just general stereotypes just like this?? yeah? You think it's just as easy as that bro??? Bro??? Clearly you have/had no one involved.....Grow up you in-sensitive, apathetic, twerp.... |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1437
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:17:00 -
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That picture has been overused to the point it has become a caricature of itself. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |

Temmu Guerra
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
116
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:18:00 -
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the irony of this coming from someone in goons is even better... |
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Esharan
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
17
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:19:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:That picture has been overused to the point it has become a caricature of itself.
Doesn't make it appropriate, and connotation/implication is very clear... |

Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
287
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:19:00 -
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Well. As he's acting as a CCP-sponsored presenter, a joke in poor taste reflects poorly on both him and to a small degree CCP. That said, as it's a joke in poor taste as opposed to incitement to action or reinforcing a normative power structure that disempowers or oppresses a specific group, it's mostly a, "That was tasteless. :/" thing.
So. Meh.
I think I'd've just lowered his standings from 7.5 to 5, in other words? |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
145
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:20:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:Racism is never okay.
Correct. But p*ss taking is fine IMHO.
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |

Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
70
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:21:00 -
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Garr Khan wrote:I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year: http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpgThe section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Je wbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream). Luckily CCP An al took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made...
So the supposed "jewball" is made up of self admited Jews and youre upset someone pointed out the obvious? Would be as angry if the Jewball was instead made up of white Anglo's and called them selves Valhalla and h used a picture of a nckbeard Viking? No? intersestin, I'll note that down and file that under "Bullshit Hypersenesitive Rant by Uber PC Police. The only thing I'm "upset" about is CCP wanting to institute Communist ideals of wealth distribution. Im no fan of Goons, but it's a war game, if you want their stuff, go take. Asking the government (CCP) to do it for you is what Ghetto Queens and Trailer Trash do. Now theire's a stereotype. |

Dave Stark
2845
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:22:00 -
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can some one please explain what's going on here? i honestly don't get why people are being all butthurt and ****. |

Esharan
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
17
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:22:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Who cares? Jews are not immune from having the p*ss taken out of them just because some of them were murdered.
Some? There were roughly 9.5 million Jews in Europe and 15.3 million in the world prior to WW2. 6+ million were wiped out in Europe, 2 out of every 3 European Jews was killed.
That's a lot more than "Some."
Man we are forgetting history, or do they not teach Modern Euro in school anymore? Shame.
For the record, the number of Jews in the world still has not fully recovered, there are still only ~14 mil jews worldwide today... so the effects of the Holocaust (and yes the Russian purges) are still being felt. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
308
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:23:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'm sorry, what's the issue here? The graphic of the Jew which was pretty much the image the National Socialists (WW2 Germany) drew on their propaganda posters. It's like if CCP showed a picture of a white actor wearing "black face". And if you don't know what that is you should google it. yeah... still not seeing the issue?
So you are condoning WW2 Germany oppression and extermination of Jewish people?
And that 1930's American rascism was cool, yo?
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If this thread is locked without an official apology, someone should report it to a Jewish anti-racism organization. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
145
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:25:00 -
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Esharan wrote: Also to the guy who said "people need to get over it." lol wut?
Get over a Holocaust that was just over 60 years ago, and was propagated by images just like this and started out as just general stereotypes just like this?? yeah? You think it's just as easy as that bro??? Bro??? Clearly you have/had no one involved.....Grow up you in-sensitive, apathetic, twerp....
*sigh*
People have killed people throughout history. The Vikings, the Romans, the Syrians, the Turks, more recently the Bosnians & Serbs etc. etc. etc.
Jews are not unique. Stop going on as though you are because it's boring quite frankly. Yes, it was tragic, but don't think that gives you the right to use that tragedy as a stick to beat the rest of the World with.
Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |

IrJosy
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:26:00 -
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fanfest "gate" 2013 everyone |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1452
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Posted - 2013.04.25 20:27:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Crikey thats bad. Fanfest always seems to have some sort of controversy, and you can't get much more racist than that, being that its a specific racial caricature. That term, which i won't personally use, certainly seems to get thrown around alot by EvE morons.
I guess i'll go make some popcorn and what for this to blow up!
Conspiracy theory time: CCP put him up to it so that the 'FanFest Controversy Bug' will be fulfilled, and nothing worse will happen.
John Ratcliffe wrote:Esharan wrote: Also to the guy who said "people need to get over it." lol wut?
Get over a Holocaust that was just over 60 years ago, and was propagated by images just like this and started out as just general stereotypes just like this?? yeah? You think it's just as easy as that bro??? Bro??? Clearly you have/had no one involved.....Grow up you in-sensitive, apathetic, twerp....
*sigh* People have killed people throughout history. The Vikings, the Romans, the Syrians, the Turks, more recently the Bosnians & Serbs etc. etc. etc. Jews are not unique. Stop going on as though you are because it's boring quite frankly. Yes, it was tragic, but don't think that gives you the right to use that tragedy as a stick to beat the rest of the World with. While a true statment, you're kinda missing the point. The democide that happened in WWII is pretty much unparalled in history. Never has so large a percentage of a specific, numerous demographic been so thoroughly despoiled. Eventually, it *will* be time to get over it, but that time has not yet come. So yeah, the Jewish community does have an entitlement here. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
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