I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year:

http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpg

The section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Jewbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream).

Luckily CCP Anal took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made...

Stereotyping is bad mmkay.

No it isn't. If it's accurate it's accurate. People need to get over it TBH.

i'm sorry, what's the issue here?

i'm sorry, what's the issue here?

I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year:

http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpg

The section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Jewbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream).

Luckily CCP Anal took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made...

Please tell us about GSF Cloud Ring fights with Ev0ke or how GSF has poses with hardeners set up as swastikas. Post logs from local spam. I am sure GSF will be a beacon of light in these dark days or people will just laugh at you for being a complete tool and trying to be ~edgy~.

The graphic of the Jew which was pretty much the image the National Socialists (WW2 Germany) drew on their propaganda posters.

It's like if CCP showed a picture of a white actor wearing "black face".

And if you don't know what that is you should google it.

That picture has been overused to the point it has become a caricature of itself.

Racism is never okay.

I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year:

http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpg

The section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Jewbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream).

Luckily CCP Anal took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made...

Who cares? Jews are not immune from having the p*ss taken out of them just because some of them were murdered.

yeah... still not seeing the issue?

Also to the guy who said "people need to get over it." lol wut?

Get over a Holocaust that was just over 60 years ago, and was propagated by images just like this and started out as just general stereotypes just like this?? yeah? You think it's just as easy as that bro??? Bro??? Clearly you have/had no one involved.....Grow up you in-sensitive, apathetic, twerp....

Crikey thats bad. Fanfest always seems to have some sort of controversy, and you can't get much more racist than that, being that its a specific racial caricature. That term, which i won't personally use, certainly seems to get thrown around alot by EvE morons.

I guess i'll go make some popcorn and what for this to blow up!

*sigh*

People have killed people throughout history. The Vikings, the Romans, the Syrians, the Turks, more recently the Bosnians & Serbs etc. etc. etc.

Jews are not unique. Stop going on as though you are because it's boring quite frankly. Yes, it was tragic, but don't think that gives you the right to use that tragedy as a stick to beat the rest of the World with.

The only thing I'm "upset" about is CCP wanting to institute Communist ideals of wealth distribution in a game based on the concept of Capitalistic free market values. Im no fan of Goons, but it's a war game, if you want their stuff, go take. Asking the government (CCP) to do it for you is what Ghetto Queens and Trailer Trash do. Now theire's a stereotype.

*sigh*

People have killed people throughout history. The Vikings, the Romans, the Syrians, the Turks, more recently the Bosnians & Serbs etc. etc. etc.

Jews are not unique. Stop going on as though you are because it's boring quite frankly. Yes, it was tragic, but don't think that gives you the right to use that tragedy as a stick to beat the rest of the World with.

if ya ask me the pic looks a lot like the fat dude on stage

oh and before anyone says ****, Im a fat dude in real life so I can drop the fat card on whomever I want.

My name is Anders Shepard and racism is not okay.

blabla

Stereotyping is bad mmkay.

Anyone going to point out that the picture is photoshopped into the image, and wasn't part of the panel?

As this is taking a shot at a CCP dev, i'd expect a ban shortly on the OP.

Jews are *not* special !
Stop making them special !
They are just people too !
Thank you very much !

So you are condoning WW2 Germany oppression and extermination of Jewish people?

And that 1930's American rascism was cool, yo?

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If this thread is locked without an official apology, someone should report it to a Jewish anti-racism organization.

If it wasn't based in reality it wouldn't be a stereotype. Just saying'.

nope.
nope.

still haven't pointed out why people are getting so upset about a picture in a presentation. i must admit i missed said presentation because i was having dinner with my father. however unless he ran around screaming that the jews are causing all the isk faucets or something i'm honestly not seeing why people are so upset.

I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year:

http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpg

The section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Jewbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream).

Luckily CCP Anal took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made...

i'm sorry, what's the issue here?

There has never been a genocide of such a methodically destructive nature, and that includes Bosnia, Serbia etc, not to detract from those horrible crimes but for you to point them as if they somehow lessen the Jewish holocaust is....I was going to say laughable, but really its just sad.

Typical anti-semetic sentiment, shrugging off the Holocaust by saying "get over people have died throughout history". I'm not saying killing hasn't been a part of history for...forever, but just because death has been around since the beginning doesn't diminish the scope and scale of the atrocities committed on the Jews, nor the reasons why, nor the scope/scale and absolute generational impact it had/has and will continue to have.

There has never been a genocide of such a methodically destructive nature, and that includes Bosnia, Serbia etc, not to detract from those horrible crimes but for you to point them as if they somehow lessen the Jewish holocaust is....I was going to say laughable, but really its just sad.

With that I withdraw from any further discussion, suffice to say it was distasteful, but I am sure not intentionally anti-semetic.

Some? There were roughly 9.5 million Jews in Europe and 15.3 million in the world prior to WW2.
6+ million were wiped out in Europe, 2 out of every 3 European Jews was killed.

That's a lot more than "Some."

Man we are forgetting history, or do they not teach Modern Euro in school anymore?

For the record, the number of Jews in the world still has not fully recovered, there are still only ~14 mil jews worldwide today... so the effects of the Holocaust (and yes the Russian purges) are still being felt.

Not really. Stereotypes are often not based in reality, but in perception.

And what is reality? It is the perception of the world around us. While stereotyping a person you just met is bad, there can in a good number of cases be a base for any stereotype that is actually considered a stereotype. If there wasn't then people wouldn't consider it a stereotype.

Racism is never okay.

Picture that used be used for vilifying Jewish merchants a long time ago used in economics lecture.

It's used in modern political science lectures a lot as well for various reasons. Mostly to laugh at guys who think it's something more than propaganda gone silly.

Also, inb4 lock...

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I'm not forgetting history. I'm also not cherry picking stats to suit my argument. I'm English - the UK lost 47 Million people during WW2, so lets not make any English jokes ever, because that'd be in really bad taste wouldn't it?

so a commonly used anti-semetic picture was used, once again?

and i dont understand why i am not upset by this?

Some? There were roughly 9.5 million Jews in Europe and 15.3 million in the world prior to WW2.
6+ million were wiped out in Europe, 2 out of every 3 European Jews was killed.

That's a lot more than "Some."

Man we are forgetting history, or do they not teach Modern Euro in school anymore? Shame.

For the record, the number of Jews in the world still has not fully recovered, there are still only ~14 mil jews worldwide today... so the effects of the Holocaust (and yes the Russian purges) are still being felt.

I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year:

http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpg

The section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Jewbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream).

Luckily CCP Anal took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made...

Anyone who cares is a whiny set of labia who needs to shut up.

Nope. Not buying this dodge.

i dont get it, why is the happy merchant face offensive now? it's a pretty popular reddit me me

The fact he got this many spergs with something so obvious is amazing.

PS. It is Jewbal with one L.

i dont get it, why is the happy merchant face offensive now? it's a pretty popular reddit me me

47 million?

Four times the total armed forces of the commonwealth in WW2? Almost the entire population of the UK in 1939?

Erhm... you've got some interesting sources...

So what? the Russians lost 168,524,000 ******* people and they don't complain when you make jokes of them? in fact Russians are all a joke on the internet nowdays and you don't see them complaining about it, be it for their excesive love of vodka, DIY fixes or extremely large military things they don't get all butt hurt about a joke.


this is just someone being extremely sensitive.

i love reddit me mes

the irony of this coming from someone in goons is even better...

That's what it says. I wasn't alive then, so...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Human_losses_by_country

You're quoting the first column....

"Total Population 1/1/1939"

That's how many lived in the UK, not how many died....correct answer to how many died would be 450,900 souls...

That's what it says. I wasn't alive then, so...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Human_losses_by_country

I can't believe the mods haven't locked this, that the OP isn't forum banned. and that people haven't just checked the video themselves to see that it never happened.

I'm all for a good-natured barb here and there, but IMHO Dr. Gu+¦mundsson, the head E.v.e. economist (or whoever made his powerpoint section) went too far this year:

http://i.imgur.com/FvnAnd7.jpg

The section in question involved the discussion of a transaction tax meant to curb what is seen as an increasing wealth disparity in EVE (which I admit is very much a growing issue); while not outright mentioning them by name, the good Dr. very clearly hinted at the presence of the so-called "Jewbal" which colludes to accumulate wealth for themselves and the "Goonswarm" alliance. One can very easily see the parallel between the name this group gave themselves in good humor (they're mostly Jewish in real life, if I recall correctly) and the racial caricature of a Jewish man used in the powerpoint presentation today; I personally have to take real issue with the demonizing of an entire IRL religio-cultural group for the sake of some cheap laughs (to the E.v.e. community's credit, none were had that I noticed while watching the stream).

Luckily CCP Anal took over the talk before any other tragic guffaws were made...

So how many if we include the Irish?

I can't believe the mods haven't locked this, that the OP isn't forum banned. and that people haven't just checked the video themselves to see that it never happened.

The world wars are a hundred and 70 years old. Just about everyone who experienced them are dead or about to die. They don't matter anymore.

The world wars are a hundred and 70 years old. Just about everyone who experienced them are dead or about to die. They don't matter anymore.

Republic of Ireland was a non-belligerent and lost only 200 people, Northern Ireland is included in the UK figure.

those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.