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Menero Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:33:00 -
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So far this year was a major disappointment ..it's like 80% DUST marketing and 20% EvE... what do you guys think? |
Ni'hie
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:36:00 -
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This thread will probably magically disappear before people can actually voice their opinions but agreed, I was so disappointed it had sold out before I had a chance to purchase tickets, now watching it, I am relieved I didn't now, I would be incredibly disappointed to have spent the kind of money it would take to go.
Maybe those who are there are experiencing it differently to us, but atleast the impression the Stream has given me is this Fanfest as you said it 80% Dust, 10% Mobile, 10% EvE.
Thoroughly disappointed. |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:36:00 -
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I was actually pretty appalled. Like you said, 80% was about Dust, then just so much product plugging; CCP clothing, the PSVita, the VR headset, the EVE comic, the EVE collectors edition, EVE book etc. etc. Watching the stream I felt very much like I was being pitched item after item to try and take my money. I was in two minds about going, and I'm now pretty glad I didn't go, apart from a nice couple of changes to EVE, the rest was about Dust, mobile, other projects etc.
tl:dr - Unimpressed.
Damn nature, you scary! |
ed jeni
SKULLDOGS
S2N Citizens
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:37:00 -
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well so much for the "special 10th aniverary" fanfest,
worse than most that have been before,
as you say way too much Dust, way too much ccp slapping itself on the back,
a few interesting things for sure, but not a lot,
ofc if you wanna line ccp's pockets some more for the special edition be my guest. |
okst666
Uncharted Skies
Cerberus Unleashed
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:39:00 -
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maybe you should get used to that eve and dust will be just one big thing at some time.
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iskflakes
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:39:00 -
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Terrible.
I just watched two hours of DUST and a 10 minute project management presentation that was supposed to be about EVE.
I was hoping for something really special, what CCP gave us was a mediocre expansion and $200 golden capsules.
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DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
530
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:42:00 -
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okst666 wrote:maybe you should get used to that eve and dust will be just one big thing at some time.
Or maybe CCP should get used to the fact that their entire income comes from us, and our opinions matter.
Damn nature, you scary! |
Murderphache
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:43:00 -
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I was about to start a thread just like this. Thank you for saying it for me. I agree completely.
I am recently married and just taught my wife about eve. I told here there are two weekends a year I veg out and just eve it up. Well watching the stream was a complete embarrassment trying to explain why there is nothing that I expected like the trailer for the new expansion etc.
Then I explained how CCP has teamed with Sony and suddenly it all made sense to her. Vita peripheral applications really?
Oh well. I am excited about the next expansion but fanfest was the utlimate letdown. |
iskflakes
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:49:00 -
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For those of you who missed it, the "CCP Presents" prsentation -- the highlight of fanfest -- was over 80% DUST.
There was some art installation, CSM results (30 seconds), DUST future vision, DUST balancing and weapons, DUST PVE (drones), DUST environments, EVE project management, CCP's big mobile announcement: A DUST app for the PS Vita. We then had an EVE/DUST trailer, Hilmar telling us he had nothing new on the "Walking in stations" front, but he super promised to talk about it next year. TV series possible announcement, though they actually have nothing concrete except a video from some movie guy who's doing other things.
VERY happy I didn't buy the HD stream, or go there in person.
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Sentamon
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:50:00 -
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You all need to chill, they need to make money to make more EVE stuff.
http://i.imgur.com/cVQcQwa.
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BIGTEX123
Frontier Captial
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:50:00 -
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I enjoyed it. Yes there was a lot of "extra" things that didn't really pertain to EvE itself, but it was all in the EvE universe. CCP is not looking to just stay in this one game and not expand, and grow. They want to become a major company, with major games, and other major projects. I'm excited for the future of CCP, even at the expense of ONE Fanfest. My opinion.  |
iskflakes
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:51:00 -
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If you didn't realize they are funding DUST with EVE subscriber money, which is why CCP has developed the last 3 years of EVE expansions with half the normal number of developers.
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veera Haklar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:52:00 -
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Yep, i too was pretty gutted that i wasn't going to make fanfest, but now i'm totally glad i've saved my money.
This entire stream has been a joke, constantly being force fed dust, too little about eve. and when we did get eve it was all about new products that they're promoting, or future concepts.
Pretty annoyed at this station thing for 10 year vets, and just the sheer amount of stuff that collectors edition is coming with, and the fact it has even more stuff if you pre-order!
Tl:DR fanfest was a major dissapointment, and people clapped and cheered as ccp slowly go back to incarna, one special edition item at a time. |
J'Ribs
Eleutherian Guard
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:54:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:For those of you who missed it, the "CCP Presents" prsentation -- the highlight of fanfest -- was over 80% DUST.
There was some art installation, CSM results (30 seconds), DUST future vision, DUST balancing and weapons, DUST PVE (drones), DUST environments, EVE project management, CCP's big mobile announcement: A DUST app for the PS Vita. We then had an EVE/DUST trailer, Hilmar telling us he had nothing new on the "Walking in stations" front, but he super promised to talk about it next year. TV series possible announcement, though they actually have nothing concrete except a video from some movie guy who's doing other things.
VERY happy I didn't buy the HD stream, or go there in person.
You forgot: A single developer (Probably working on his own time) got ships to spin on an Iphone.
Forget about actually making something USEFUL like Neocom or Dusk.
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Gillia Winddancer
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 19:57:00 -
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Guess that I'm going to be the first that is going to defend the Fanfest with the simple question:
Do you guys honestly think that new content is the end all be all for a game of this scope? If you say "yes" then frankly you're no better than your lowly CoD fanboi.
Looking at the whole thing there is a staggering amount of things and changes - and yes, Dust is getting a lot more room for obvious reasons.
Of course I eagerly await all you management experts who know everything about having infinite money and manpower in any business to counter-argue. |
Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force
Tribal Band
765
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:00:00 -
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EVE and DUST are essentially going to be the same game now. The changes and development of EVE will greatly effect DUST and vice versa.
As an EVE player and not a DUST player I am a little disappointed with less EVE content, but hey, we had three big and absolutely fantastic expansions in a row. It's hard for a company the size of CCP to keep that momentum going, especially when they are also developing other things.
I don't think CCP is slowing down and abandoning EVE, they just want to show off their other products.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:01:00 -
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i'll be honest, i missed half of the eve.
i missed half the eve stuff because about 3 mins before they were talking about dust and i stopped paying attention. |
veera Haklar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:03:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Guess that I'm going to be the first that is going to defend the Fanfest with the simple question:
Do you guys honestly think that new content is the end all be all for a game of this scope? If you say "yes" then frankly you're no better than your lowly CoD fanboi.
Looking at the whole thing there is a staggering amount of things and changes - and yes, Dust is getting a lot more room for obvious reasons.
Of course I eagerly await all you management experts who know everything about having infinite money and manpower in any business to counter-argue.
"for lot more reasons" please elaborate, For a company That's developing dust from the profits of EvE, and the current subs. And who's (i'm going to assume) largest fanbase watching and at fanfest coming from eve, i'd hugely expect the majority of stuff to be eve related and not some "perhaps this is going happen" "we might see this in five years, now on to dust!"
Not forgetting All the other random "eve is real, give me your money so i can make space elevators in the future. i like eve, honest" stuff we saw.
But it's fine, in five years when you want to play eve, you can boot up your pc....and your ps vita....and your ps3... and your occulus rift... which is all running from your eve collectors edition, and then you can play eve to it's fullest. |
Gillia Winddancer
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:05:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i'll be honest, i missed half of the eve.
i missed half the eve stuff because about 3 mins before they were talking about dust and i stopped paying attention.
Why aren't you whining about WoD? It's also precious time and resources taken from your beloved EVE Online. |
Khamelean
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:06:00 -
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DelBoy Trades wrote:okst666 wrote:maybe you should get used to that eve and dust will be just one big thing at some time. Or maybe CCP should get used to the fact that their entire income comes from us, and our opinions matter.
Not anymore, dust is already making money. Fan feast is for ccp to celebrate its games. That includes dust. In a couple of years it will include world of darkness as well.
I thought the presentations were pretty evenly split between eve and dust. Of course if you had of gone then you could have attended other the presentations that weren't part of the live stream. But, we don't wont to think to much do we, we might hurt ourselves. |
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:07:00 -
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Fanfest was terrible and I wasn't even there! That's how terrible it was!
Sovereignty and Population
Moulds and water for the sandbox. |
veera Haklar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:10:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Dave Stark wrote:i'll be honest, i missed half of the eve.
i missed half the eve stuff because about 3 mins before they were talking about dust and i stopped paying attention. Why aren't you whining about WoD? It's also precious time and resources taken from your beloved EVE Online.
WoD didn't take up 80% of fanfest, the day it does i'll whine. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:11:00 -
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Nah. It was ok, and to be expected.
The only thing that was missing was silly CCP internal videos and self-referential skits. No HTFU or CCP Space Program. Pah! 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:12:00 -
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Khamelean wrote:Not anymore, dust is already making money. Fan feast is for ccp to celebrate its games. That includes dust. In a couple of years it will include world of darkness as well.
I thought the presentations were pretty evenly split between eve and dust. Of course if you had of gone then you could have attended other the presentations that weren't part of the live stream. But, we don't wont to think to much do we, we might hurt ourselves.
Strange how it's called EVE fanfest, not CCP fanfest, genius...
http://fanfest.eveonline.com/en/default
Damn nature, you scary! |
Gillia Winddancer
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:12:00 -
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veera Haklar wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:Guess that I'm going to be the first that is going to defend the Fanfest with the simple question:
Do you guys honestly think that new content is the end all be all for a game of this scope? If you say "yes" then frankly you're no better than your lowly CoD fanboi.
Looking at the whole thing there is a staggering amount of things and changes - and yes, Dust is getting a lot more room for obvious reasons.
Of course I eagerly await all you management experts who know everything about having infinite money and manpower in any business to counter-argue. "for lot more reasons" please elaborate, For a company That's developing dust from the profits of EvE, and the current subs. And who's (i'm going to assume) largest fanbase watching and at fanfest coming from eve, i'd hugely expect the majority of stuff to be eve related and not some "perhaps this is going happen" "we might see this in five years, now on to dust!" Not forgetting All the other random "eve is real, give me your money so i can make space elevators in the future. i like eve, honest" stuff we saw. But it's fine, in five years when you want to play eve, you can boot up your pc....and your ps vita....and your ps3... and your occulus rift... which is all running from your eve collectors edition, and then you can play eve to it's fullest.
Oh dear me. Damn CCP for ever daring expanding their EVE IP. Damn them for trying to create a richer world in ways that haven't been done before. And curse them for having limited manpower and resources. Oh yeah, and screw them for having a vision that they're trying to share with their lifeblood - the community.
In your mind maybe they're secretly trying to ruin EVE? Or perhaps all of your BS is merely a stealth "Y no Dust 4 PC" whine? Or maybe you're expecting that every presentation is going to be grander and greater than the previous one? |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
1366
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:21:00 -
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I really enjoyed it, but I really enjoy Dust so I would assume that has a lot to do with it. A bit more Eve wouldn't have hurt by any stretch of the imagination, but I can forgive them because the expansion is like what? Barely over a month away? It's not like there's nothing coming down the pipe for Eve.
Now, solely as a 10-year anniversary event, I feel it was definitely lackluster in that aspect. Maybe there was some stuff off stream that was really good, but the stream didn't seem very celebratory so to speak. For a 10 year anniversary, I would've expected something extra like a second stream with nothing but player and developer interviews talking about the influence Eve has had on them and stuff like that. Maybe even some stream-exclusive contests and other little things like that.
tl;dr: As a fanfest, I loved it. As a 10-year celebration, it left a lot to be desired in my opinion.
Respect is earned, not given. |
Khamelean
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:23:00 -
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DelBoy Trades wrote:Khamelean wrote:Not anymore, dust is already making money. Fan feast is for ccp to celebrate its games. That includes dust. In a couple of years it will include world of darkness as well.
I thought the presentations were pretty evenly split between eve and dust. Of course if you had of gone then you could have attended other the presentations that weren't part of the live stream. But, we don't wont to think to much do we, we might hurt ourselves. Strange how it's called EVE fanfest, not CCP fanfest, genius... http://fanfest.eveonline.com/en/default
Dust is part of eve, genius... |
veera Haklar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:24:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:veera Haklar wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:Guess that I'm going to be the first that is going to defend the Fanfest with the simple question:
Do you guys honestly think that new content is the end all be all for a game of this scope? If you say "yes" then frankly you're no better than your lowly CoD fanboi.
Looking at the whole thing there is a staggering amount of things and changes - and yes, Dust is getting a lot more room for obvious reasons.
Of course I eagerly await all you management experts who know everything about having infinite money and manpower in any business to counter-argue. "for lot more reasons" please elaborate, For a company That's developing dust from the profits of EvE, and the current subs. And who's (i'm going to assume) largest fanbase watching and at fanfest coming from eve, i'd hugely expect the majority of stuff to be eve related and not some "perhaps this is going happen" "we might see this in five years, now on to dust!" Not forgetting All the other random "eve is real, give me your money so i can make space elevators in the future. i like eve, honest" stuff we saw. But it's fine, in five years when you want to play eve, you can boot up your pc....and your ps vita....and your ps3... and your occulus rift... which is all running from your eve collectors edition, and then you can play eve to it's fullest. Oh dear me. Damn CCP for ever daring expanding their EVE IP. Damn them for trying to create a richer world in ways that haven't been done before. And curse them for having limited manpower and resources. Oh yeah, and screw them for having a vision that they're trying to share with their lifeblood - the community. In your mind maybe they're secretly trying to ruin EVE? Or perhaps all of your BS is merely a stealth "Y no Dust 4 PC" whine? Or maybe you're expecting that every presentation is going to be grander and greater than the previous one?
i love how you conveniently ignored 90% of my post, and nit-picked the end part.
Think what you want, but in the years to come when eve is a shallow husk of a game that you cant play without throwing money at numerous other platforms and devices and without buying super-special collector edition game boxes to get all the ships you want, or items you would like, then perhaps you'll see where i'm coming from, i have no issue with eve expanding, just do it in the confines of eve, or directions that dont require me to buy several consoles at hundreds of pounds each, just to experience eve.
Also, i suck at FPS on the pc, i own a ps3 and play dust on it, but i still despise the fact that "EvE fanfest" was 80% not eve. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:25:00 -
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Strange how the last keynote GÇö the one that's apparently getting people up in arms GÇö is called GÇ£CCP PresentsGÇ¥ and not GÇ£EVE Online KeynoteGÇ¥. It has always been a split between everything they're doing, with a large focus on CCP itself and the community.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.-á |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1471
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Posted - 2013.04.27 20:28:00 -
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DUST is the new product and thus needs more exposure than EVE.
Sovereignty and Population
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