maybe you should get used to that eve and dust will be just one big thing at some time.

You all need to chill, they need to make money to make more EVE stuff.

http://i.imgur.com/cVQcQwa.

For those of you who missed it, the "CCP Presents" prsentation -- the highlight of fanfest -- was over 80% DUST.

There was some art installation, CSM results (30 seconds), DUST future vision, DUST balancing and weapons, DUST PVE (drones), DUST environments, EVE project management, CCP's big mobile announcement: A DUST app for the PS Vita. We then had an EVE/DUST trailer, Hilmar telling us he had nothing new on the "Walking in stations" front, but he super promised to talk about it next year. TV series possible announcement, though they actually have nothing concrete except a video from some movie guy who's doing other things.

VERY happy I didn't buy the HD stream, or go there in person.

Guess that I'm going to be the first that is going to defend the Fanfest with the simple question:

Do you guys honestly think that new content is the end all be all for a game of this scope? If you say "yes" then frankly you're no better than your lowly CoD fanboi.

Looking at the whole thing there is a staggering amount of things and changes - and yes, Dust is getting a lot more room for obvious reasons.

Of course I eagerly await all you management experts who know everything about having infinite money and manpower in any business to counter-argue.

i'll be honest, i missed half of the eve.

i missed half the eve stuff because about 3 mins before they were talking about dust and i stopped paying attention.

Or maybe CCP should get used to the fact that their entire income comes from us, and our opinions matter.

Why aren't you whining about WoD? It's also precious time and resources taken from your beloved EVE Online.

Not anymore, dust is already making money. Fan feast is for ccp to celebrate its games. That includes dust. In a couple of years it will include world of darkness as well.

I thought the presentations were pretty evenly split between eve and dust. Of course if you had of gone then you could have attended other the presentations that weren't part of the live stream. But, we don't wont to think to much do we, we might hurt ourselves.

"for lot more reasons" please elaborate, For a company That's developing dust from the profits of EvE, and the current subs. And who's (i'm going to assume) largest fanbase watching and at fanfest coming from eve, i'd hugely expect the majority of stuff to be eve related and not some "perhaps this is going happen" "we might see this in five years, now on to dust!"

Not forgetting All the other random "eve is real, give me your money so i can make space elevators in the future. i like eve, honest" stuff we saw.

But it's fine, in five years when you want to play eve, you can boot up your pc....and your ps vita....and your ps3... and your occulus rift... which is all running from your eve collectors edition, and then you can play eve to it's fullest.

Strange how it's called EVE fanfest, not CCP fanfest, genius...
http://fanfest.eveonline.com/en/default

Oh dear me. Damn CCP for ever daring expanding their EVE IP. Damn them for trying to create a richer world in ways that haven't been done before. And curse them for having limited manpower and resources. Oh yeah, and screw them for having a vision that they're trying to share with their lifeblood - the community.

In your mind maybe they're secretly trying to ruin EVE? Or perhaps all of your BS is merely a stealth "Y no Dust 4 PC" whine? Or maybe you're expecting that every presentation is going to be grander and greater than the previous one?

Strange how it's called EVE fanfest, not CCP fanfest, genius...
http://fanfest.eveonline.com/en/default

Dust is part of eve, genius...

Fan feast is for ccp to celebrate its games. That includes dust. In a couple of years it will include world of darkness as well

I'll requote you again as you seem to be having trouble remembering what had very recently dribbled from your typing fingers.

WoD in EVE too? Obligatory "genius..."

Strange how the last keynote GÇö the one that's apparently getting people up in arms GÇö is called GÇ£CCP PresentsGÇ¥ and not GÇ£EVE Online KeynoteGÇ¥. It has always been a split between everything they're doing, with a large focus on CCP itself and the community.

Why aren't you whining about WoD? It's also precious time and resources taken from your beloved EVE Online.

If you didn't realize they are funding DUST with EVE subscriber money, which is why CCP has developed the last 3 years of EVE expansions with half the normal number of developers.

Odyssey is probably the emptiest expansion in EVE history.

All of you complaining, can I have your stuff as you stick your hands into your pockets and kick a can down the street in teenage angst only to leave EVE in stubborn protest?

No. I'll delete it just to spite you.

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No. Short of releasing a patch that does literally nothing, that prize will always go to Quantum Rise GÇö the one-feature expansion.

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No. Short of releasing a patch that does literally nothing, that prize will always go to Quantum Rise GÇö the one-feature expansion.

The idea that Odyssey is an empty is just ridiculous. Massive ship rebalance changes, loads of new artwork and graphical effects, completely overhauled scanning and exploration system, jump gate effects when warping, and lets not even mention on of the biggest resource distribution shake ups which will have massive consequences for everyone. That is just some of it, seriously did you people even watch the fanfest streams at all. Please just go away back to your mums basement, the amount of petulant self entitled children complaining in this thread is astounding.

The idea that Odyssey is an empty is just ridiculous. Massive ship rebalance changes, loads of new artwork and graphical effects, completely overhauled scanning and exploration system, jump gate effects when warping, and lets not even mention one of the biggest resource distribution shake ups which will have massive consequences for everyone. That is just some of it, seriously did you people even watch the fanfest streams at all. Please just go away back to your mums basement, the amount of petulant self entitled children complaining in this thread is astounding.

This expansion was over 70% rebalancing and fixing and the rest was very meh content. I'd take Incarna over this garbage any day.

I'm sorry but this was not an expansion. This was a one giant rebalance of existing content. 99.9% of other games out there, MMO or otherwise, release mini-patches every other month addressing balance issues with their games. While saving their ACTUAL expansions to release ACTUAL content.

No. The problem is CCP could add another speck to the back ground star field and you would describe that as hugely relevant content worthy of praise and respect. lol

I'm sorry but this was not an expansion. This was a one giant rebalance of existing content. 99.9% of other games out there, MMO or otherwise, release mini-patches every other month addressing balance issues with their games. While saving their ACTUAL expansions to release ACTUAL content.

Not the case for CCP. They just fix old stuff, stamp it with the "New Content" seal, and call it an expansion and then you got foaming at the mouth fan boys like yourself that'll defend them to the very end for it.

Excuse me while I barf.

No. The problem is CCP could add another speck to the back ground star field and you would describe that as hugely relevant content worthy of praise and respect. lol

I'm sorry but this was not an expansion. This was a one giant rebalance of existing content. 99.9% of other games out there, MMO or otherwise, release mini-patches every other month addressing balance issues with their games. While saving their ACTUAL expansions to release ACTUAL content.

Not the case for CCP. They just fix old stuff, stamp it with the "New Content" seal, and call it an expansion and then you got foaming at the mouth fan boys like yourself that'll defend them to the very end for it.

Excuse me while I barf.

This Fanfest was mostly Dust 514 and Marketing. They wanted the connection between Eve and Dust but i dont see it. Dust is still beta or so and the planets of Dust are only temporarily. The market, that you can sell the items for dust produced in eve is just a joke. I thought that is somehow tha base of these connection but its not active. Ill care Dust if its on pc.

I bought the HD-Stream, the Stream wasnt really HD, max 720p crap.
The Schedule wasnt that good. Show started always later and/or with tech issues. I dont want to speak about lags too. Some points of the schedule are missing till now. They were much other presentations which werent streamed, sad. The quality of the second stream was much worst than the original one.

The features of the upcoming expansion are not that great in my eyes. Sure, fixes and improvements are good but please dont sell these things over and over as new stuff.

I have a bunch of missile issues as example but no one cares about these issues, over 2 months now. Very sad.

You do realize that EVE has been in need of an overhaul for the past 5 years right? Incase you haven't noticed, they've been doing the overhaul on the game since crucible, future proofing the game so they can add "new content" To be honest, I'd rather have what they are doing now making the content an actual feature instead of useless trash ships to sit there and look at.

We are getting a new radial menu, more convenient features in general, better transitions between star systems, rebalancing/V3, updated code to pave way for things like buildable stargates, customizable ship skins, changing the way you actually play the game. You can't expect them to just pile on new content after new content. Updating the game to make it feel like a game, getting "spreadsheets and menus and loading bars" To pave way for a more interactive experience is the best thing I could have asked for in EVE.

This rebalance has been in dire need for years, and they know that. I don't know why you're so surprised or acting like they should have done more, its only been 6 months since Retribution, You're looking at the small details.

I bought the HD-Stream, the Stream wasnt really HD, max 720p crap.

Yep. Sadly people will (and are) defending CCP over this. And it makes me angry because with people defending CCP over crap "expansions" like this gives CCP the go ahead to release MORE crap "expansions" because they know it's impossible to make the fan boy player base unhappy or dis-satisfied and they can divert their development and resources to other (dust) games and get get away with it.

Really infuriating.

Please do leave and let the door hit you on your way out, preferably multiple times.

Can someone point out which VODs I should watch for the EVE content? Im really confused looking at the twitch page, there are so much videos 6+ hrs, I dont have time to watch all this. Saw the 1 hr Eve keynote, was this the main announcement about odyssey, or was there more at fanfest?

I was actually pretty appalled. Like you said, 80% was about Dust, then just so much product plugging; CCP clothing, the PSVita, the VR headset, the EVE comic, the EVE collectors edition, EVE book etc. etc. Watching the stream I felt very much like I was being pitched item after item to try and take my money. I was in two minds about going, and I'm now pretty glad I didn't go, apart from a nice couple of changes to EVE, the rest was about Dust, mobile, other projects etc.

tl:dr - Unimpressed.

Yep. Sadly people will (and are) defending CCP over this. And it makes me angry because with people defending CCP over crap "expansions" like this gives CCP the go ahead to release MORE crap "expansions" because they know it's impossible to make the fan boy player base unhappy or dis-satisfied and they can divert their development and resources to other (dust) games and get get away with it.

Really infuriating.

Not sure why people keep defending CCP over this

I got the feeling they don't know what they are really going to do with eve.]

Nah. It was ok, and to be expected.

The only thing that was missing was silly CCP internal videos and self-referential skits. No HTFU or CCP Space Program. Pah!

The funny thing is, they said like 100 times today that DUST is free but who pays for it? wait....

IF CCP brings stuff like incursions, brings a big bunch of important fixes and big stuff like this then we can talk.

So far this year was a major disappointment ..it's like 80% DUST marketing and 20% EvE... what do you guys think?

Your thread is bad and you should feel bad

You want to learn about EVE content? Watch the EVE Keynote again

What you're referring to is the "CCP Presents" presentation which is about all kinds of interesting projects CCP is working on. They finally got the store working again, they have an amazing collectors edition of the game to celebrate the first decade honoring the history of the game development of EVE Online. They are doing demo projects with Ocolus Rift to explore new areas in gaming (it's freaking amazing btw)....oh... and you got to see Guard wave a sword around...

Space elevators in Dust would affect you as an EVE player, the weapons they use, you would be producing, which affects you as an EVE player. Dust is part of our universe, deal with it

My god, could people stop whining and be a bit appreciative of the amazing work CCP does?

I for one were impressed by the "CCP presents" presentation... but then again... "I was there"...


(Oh, and as I side note, the new trailer is the best one yet in my opinion, and the sound was so loud I could litterally feel my organs shaking inside me when the wormhole collapsed... freaking awesome!!)

Simple: because they're offering a solid expansion with much-needed and long-awaited changes, along with more tools for us to create gameplay.

Honestly there was/is/will be a bunch of eve related content in odyssey:
-New gate animations+pretty sensor sweep
-probe deployment
-tags for sec status
-revamped archaeology
-revamped hacking
-v3'd capitals
-improved station interiors and gate graphics
-*4x hi res textures*
-warp to [select your range here] instead of just 0, 5k, 10k, etc.
-nullsec industry, ore, and resource re-balance (aka tech nerf that everyone asked for + improved nullsec manufacturing)
-largest ship rebalance ever, all t1 bs, faction cruiser, faction bs, some faction frigs
-navy battlecruisers
-gnosis for everybody

In all honesty, this is probably one of the larger eve expansions in a while. Granted, a large chunk of fanfest wasn't about eve exclusively, but there was a great deal of info on eve none the less.

Also, the occulus rift game looked absolutely amazing and received significant media attention, which is good for eve as a whole. And building your own stargates is a cool idea.

How is that not a large list?

Guess that I'm going to be the first that is going to defend the Fanfest with the simple question:

Do you guys honestly think that new content is the end all be all for a game of this scope? If you say "yes" then frankly you're no better than your lowly CoD fanboi.

Looking at the whole thing there is a staggering amount of things and changes - and yes, Dust is getting a lot more room for obvious reasons.

Of course I eagerly await all you management experts who know everything about having infinite money and manpower in any business to counter-argue.

For those of you who missed it, the "CCP Presents" prsentation -- the highlight of fanfest -- was over 80% DUST

CCP, thanks for DUST Fanfest 2013! I thought you learned a lesson from the community riots after Incarna. It was very interesting to hear about the golden egg for $ 150 (it is the level of squalid Korean MMO). See how instead of updating the game I get a patch with a couple of minor changes. New stargate animation? New scanner? Mini-games? And THAT took half a year?! This is done in a month a group of 5 people. But you doing a dust. You are doing a FREE game while we were PAYING, and now you have the audacity to try to sell us the golden eggs for $ 150 with Oculus Rift. Are you kidding me? Apparently, the one pamphlet that came to us because of the leakage of information during Incarna was not a joke. Apparently, you follow the plan that we've seen. And the last question, when you start to sell gold Drake for aurum?

Yea, I was pretty disappointed as well. Don't get me wrong, I am actually going to get a PS3 to play Dust, but that's not why I was watching Fanfest. I watch Fanfest for Eve, and there was so little of Eve in it that it almost wasn't worth watching.

I am happy with what they're going to add in Odyssey, and lots of these changes have been a long time coming... But, it's not a proper expansion.

Also, whats with them making a VR game, that works real time multiplayer?! Why the hell wasn't that time spent on Eve? Or on WiS stuff? The game looked good, but I was frankly insulted that they thought it would be good to tease us with another avenue of Eve that we will never see, at the expense of areas of Eve we've been asking for since well before Incarna. Ever extra project they started talking about was like a slap in the face. Comic, two books, a TV series! What about a better PC game FFS?

I rarely get annoyed at CCP. I wasn't even pissed when Incarna came out because I was running it on a top end machine. Now though, I am a little pissed.

If they weren't allowed to spend some time on their own personal projects on the side then you'd probably have an EVE Online that would be quite crappier. There is a reason for why the biggest mainstream companies regardless of field allow their employees this kind of freedom. That reason is called "creativity" and for those with a proper brain know that creativity can be very lucrative and is the very thing that advances whatever field said creativity falls under. In short it's a win-win situation.

As for the comic book/tv series, I also approve of this cause I think that the stories from EVE is equal to a treasure trove. Dwarf Fortress is another game where I honestly think you could make an awesome series if done correctly.

Sorry dudes, but I'm going to defend CCP here. I understand your frustration that Fanfest may not have been completely full of EVE Online content, but does this not show that New Eden is expanding and the continued integration of DUST 514 as part of the same universe?

Honestly there was/is/will be a bunch of eve related content in odyssey:
-New gate animations+pretty sensor sweep
-probe deployment
-tags for sec status
-revamped archaeology
-revamped hacking
-v3'd capitals
-improved station interiors and gate graphics
-*4x hi res textures*
-warp to [select your range here] instead of just 0, 5k, 10k, etc.
-nullsec industry, ore, and resource re-balance (aka tech nerf that everyone asked for + improved nullsec manufacturing)
-largest ship rebalance ever, all t1 bs, faction cruiser, faction bs, some faction frigs
-navy battlecruisers
-gnosis for everybody

In all honesty, this is probably one of the larger eve expansions in a while. Granted, a large chunk of fanfest wasn't about eve exclusively, but there was a great deal of info on eve none the less.

Also, the occulus rift game looked absolutely amazing and received significant media attention, which is good for eve as a whole. And building your own stargates is a cool idea.

How is that not a large list?

For those of you who feel let down, betrayed and/or underwhelmed by CCP/Fanfest I have one thing to say:

Lower your expectations.

1. DUST is EVE.

2. There is a huge amount of changes and things coming this summer.

3. its clear you arn't a programmer

4. What CCP uses its cash on is up to CCP. They are a games company, we should thank them for investing so mush isk into EVE for so long unlike just about every other games company out there.

5. So don't buy the egg.

Or maybe CCP should get used to the fact that their entire income comes from us, and our opinions matter.

One thing that i wanted to asked all the time while watching fanfest...

EVE players: why are you so damn FAT?

Also, what's with them making a VR game, that works real time multiplayer?! Why the hell wasn't that time spent on Eve?

Retail Stereotyping
Customer View --> The Customer is always RIGHT
Retailer View --> The customer is mostly always STUPID



Sorry to burst your bubble, but
you are NOT a special precious unique little snowflake

yes that right, lie down on the floor
kick your arms and legs
go 'WAAAAAAAAAGH!!'


your opinion is irrelevant, get used to the thought

don't like it ?? there are other games to play, please go play them
take your mardy petulant whining elsewhere

How is this an "Expansion"

it adds absolutely nothing new what so ever

WTF?! Why i cat edit my post?

Remember Incarna. And as an update met in the Jita. Now, tell me again about the fact that the CCP do not care the opinions of their players. This is not a blizzard that could give a s*** about their players, because they still have the same 8kk fanboys.

And you missed my point

CCP need to develop their products to remain relevant with the changes in the hardware market

10 years ago the Desktop PC was the undisputed king
consoles were a minority market share
mobile products were a luxury commodity for the privileged few

Today Smart Phones are more numerous than desktops
OS & Application developers are shifting their focus more and more to tablets and notebooks

In 10 years time I can't even guess what will be current tech for the masses
but im pretty sure that mobility will be a key component


just so your clear, my point is
The hardware market is changing, moving away from the desktop PC
CCP as far as I can tell are merely following this trend

The world is changing, and ccp is changing with it
hence as a customer we ARE irrelevant

cry, kick & scream as much as you like
the change is going to happen
deal with it.

And you missed my point

CCP need to develop their products to remain relevant with the changes in the hardware market

10 years ago the Desktop PC was the undisputed king
consoles were a minority market share
mobile products were a luxury commodity for the privileged few

Today Smart Phones are more numerous than desktops
OS & Application developers are shifting their focus more and more to tablets and notebooks

In 10 years time I can't even guess what will be current tech for the masses
but im pretty sure that mobility will be a key component


just so your clear, my point is
The hardware market is changing, moving away from the desktop PC
CCP as far as I can tell are merely following this trend

The world is changing, and ccp is changing with it
hence as a customer we ARE irrelevant

cry, kick & scream as much as you like
the change is going to happen
deal with it.

We're not 'irrelevant', we're the ones paying for their little Sony party.

Maybe we should try not paying them for a while to see if they remember where their focus ought to be then.

Honestly there was/is/will be a bunch of eve related content in odyssey:
-New gate animations+pretty sensor sweep
-probe deployment
-tags for sec status
-revamped archaeology
-revamped hacking
-v3'd capitals
-improved station interiors and gate graphics
-*4x hi res textures*
-warp to [select your range here] instead of just 0, 5k, 10k, etc.
-nullsec industry, ore, and resource re-balance (aka tech nerf that everyone asked for + improved nullsec manufacturing)
-largest ship rebalance ever, all t1 bs, faction cruiser, faction bs, some faction frigs
-navy battlecruisers
-gnosis for everybody

In all honesty, this is probably one of the larger eve expansions in a while. Granted, a large chunk of fanfest wasn't about eve exclusively, but there was a great deal of info on eve none the less.

Also, the occulus rift game looked absolutely amazing and received significant media attention, which is good for eve as a whole. And building your own stargates is a cool idea.

How is that not a large list?

[quote=DelBoy Trades]Retail Stereotyping
Customer View --> The Customer is always RIGHT
Retailer View --> The customer is mostly always STUPID

Sorry to burst your bubble, but
you are NOT a special precious unique little snowflake

yes that right, lie down on the floor
kick your arms and legs
go 'WAAAAAAAAAGH!!'

your opinion is irrelevant, get used to the thought

don't like it ?? there are other games to play, please go play them
take your mardy petulant whining elsewhere

I've heard holding your breath for a really long time works well too.

See, that's just idiotic.

Comparing it to holding one's breath is supposed to make my argument sound like that of a petulant child, one who is completely at the behest of his parents and has no bargaining chip so all he can do is hold his breath.

We're the ones paying for this. It's not the same. Considering you're in Tribal Band I'm gonna assume you're just dumb and not a troll, that tends to be the norm for you guys.

Haha, you clearly have no idea how supply and demand works. When the EVE community don't like something, we unsub, and then CCP put away their greedy mits for a year or so. Are you new?

1. DUST is EVE.

2. There is a huge amount of changes and things coming this summer.

3. its clear you arn't a programmer

4. What CCP uses its cash on is up to CCP. They are a games company, we should thank them for investing so mush isk into EVE for so long unlike just about every other games company out there.

5. So don't buy the egg.

CCP, thanks for DUST Fanfest 2013! I thought you learned a lesson from the community riots after Incarna. It was very interesting to hear about the golden egg for $ 150 (it is the level of squalid Korean MMO). See how instead of updating the game I get a patch with a couple of minor changes. New stargate animation? New scanner? Mini-games? And THAT took half a year?! This is done in a month a group of 5 people. But you doing a dust. You are doing a FREE game while we were PAYING, and now you have the audacity to try to sell us the golden eggs for $ 150 with Oculus Rift. Are you kidding me? Apparently, the one pamphlet that came to us because of the leakage of information during Incarna was not a joke. Apparently, you follow the plan that we've seen. And the last question, when you start to sell gold Drake for aurum?

I hate to sound like a CCP fanboy (I completely trashed them during the Incarna fiasco), but I thoroughly enjoyed FF. If you haven't come to one (this was my first), I highly recommend you do so, if you ever have the opportunity in the future. The CCP people are wonderful and accessible, the Iceland people are fantastic and the food is great. Even my wife (she doesn't play) had an awesome time.

As far as the various presentations, I mostly attended the Eve-related ones. There were Dust presentations, but I didn't attend them, so I don't get why people are saying Dust took over or something. The keynotes were much more global in scope, talking about Eve, Dust, and a whole lot of other things. I found them interesting and enjoyable.

Nobody here seemed upset or disappointed, much the opposite in fact. I suspect some of the complainers are 'sour grapes' who weren't here, or internet tough guys who were afraid to speak up in person. Regardless, it seems to me Eve has a good long term path ahead of it, and CCP has some real interesting ideas to expand the universe. Will Dust succeed? Will there actually be Eve movies and comic books? I have no idea, but they are wise to explore such options. It seems they are bringing in outside partners to handle that stuff (Dark Horse, for example), so it shouldn't affect our experience much.

I come away not being able to decide which is more interesting, the EVE stories or the real stories but certain that this game is touching an immense cross section of society, in every demographic, in every corner of the world, many more of whom I can now call friend all because I decided to spend a weekend in April in Iceland with a bunch of people who also love this game.

Note to self: that was a great decision.

Customer View --> The Customer is always RIGHT
Retailer View --> The customer is mostly always STUPID

we are not making a VR game.
it was a side project from some of us, made off the record, on our own time in only seven weeks.
after hours, late nights and weekends. we spent no less time in our normal work on EVE.

It was an experiment, which we don't know how far will go, the team behind it, me and the other guys, will for sure work for this in the future, no matter if it's gonna be official CCP business or not. It's made out of our passion for making games and not as an add-on or a prototype of something bigger coming.

Retail Stereotyping
Customer View --> The Customer is always RIGHT
Retailer View --> The customer is mostly always STUPID

As such, rebalancing Eve IS worthy of being called an expansion.

Ha, all OPs known a lot of time, there is aura of divinity arount these op, 2 clicks and it will be fixed.

So seriously work is craft rebelance, there need see farther and understand what happens with is river balance.

In ships, in anomalies, haha, 2 hours of work and 1 day of testing.


The essence of the uniqueness? Spend time and watch red crosses, or stay on titan many hours, yeah that's is hardcore.