Most people that don't like the new patch haven't ever really experienced industry in nullsec.

The patch will be good for the game and make null more bearable for industrialists. The only thing I don't like is the new scanner that will allow quick scanning of grav sites. That's not really ok with me.

Dude. That's the very best part.

The only thing I don't like is the new scanner that will allow quick scanning of grav sites. That's not really ok with me.

I have to agree.

Many players have actually spent time training scanning skills to get an 'edge' when scanning down grav sites and the like.

It appears that time was wasted as the new patch has nerfed scanning.

Some ice mining will probably move from high to null or possibly even low, but it is not at all clear the price of ice products will go up. Ice miner cycle times are being cut in half, which means once an ice field is found the ice can be gathered a lot more quickly. It's quite possible ice prices will drop in the long run.

I am miffed about all the time I have spent in training my scanning to the max just so I can scan down a Gravimetric site in less than a minute. I just wish they added a new type of signature that I could look for with my kick ass scanning skillz. Now a 1 day wonder can press the scan button and jump to the Ice Field? *sigh* In that I feel cheated. :)

....nerfed scanning? The mere thought of never getting a sig to 25% just to find out it was a gravimetric makes me want to go spend some alone time with a high-res picture of Soundwave and a bottle of Jergens.

Clearly CCP is out to discourage solo play and encourage players to move to either move to null and low sec, or work with combat groups while mining with these changes. Unfortunately, just as the many attempts before it this one is doomed to failure also. I fear the only result this will have is driving up the costs of POS fuels and result in the shut down of small corporation high sec POSGÇÖs. What the players in those corporations will do once the life blood of their corporation is off- lined is unknown, but rushing off to null sec will NOT be one of the options they will even consider.

It is past time for CCP to understand that those wishing to be in null and low sec are already there, and nothing can be done to force those not wishing to be there to change their minds.


Flame on GǪGǪGǪ.

Ice HarvestingAs mentioned in the main blog, we are planning to make significant changes to ice harvesting, moving supply from static belts into respawning anomalies, as well as doubling the speed of ice harvesters to increase yield over time.

Most systems that currently have ice belts will contain these new ice anomalies, with the notable exception of many systems in Amarrian, Khanid, and Ammatar high security space. Below I will list all the systems in high security space that will contain spawns of Clear Icicle.

Afivad, Agal, Avada, Bashakru, Chanoun, Dantan, Dihra, Erkinen, Esteban, Gamis, Gelhan, Gosalav, Jarzalad, Jerma, Kothe, Manatirid, Miah, Moutid, Ordion, Raravoss, Riavayed, Seil, Talidal, Warouh.

These will be the only high security systems that will contain Clear Icicle. All low-security and null-security systems that currently contain static ice belts, as well as all high security systems in Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar space that contain static ice belts, will contain the new ice anomalies.

All the people who want to be there are already there.

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i want to be in null, however i make more isk in high sec so i am there.

there's no incentive for me to go in to null, currently.

OK, so tons of ice available in low sec. Will it make me go to low? No. Why? Too much trouble. EVE is supposed to be a game. Nowe everytime I need ice for the POS it becomes a damn project to get it. I do not want to waste 3 hours in a row to grab ICE. So it is as the OP says, some people will adapt in high-sec. I am one of them.



And do you have the feeling that this is about to change?

I like all the changes except that Grav sites are now found by using the ship scanner the same as Anom's....

Seems very one sided and might as well go back to just hitting belts instead..... as anoms are the first to get hit in a small system...

yes. you will make more isk mining in null than you will in high sec after odyssey.

And with the outpost changes you even have some chance of doing something useful with the minerals. Nowhere near far enough yet but in the right direction.

Well, it looks like we will have to wait and see how it really works out in the end. Maybe, it is still bearable to do the long range trip to get the ice.

Regarding the Outpost modifications, I cannot really say whats going on here because I have never dealt with outposts. But I trust you guys know what you are talking about.

Basically you need 1 of each outpost in your constellation, or if you own the region 1 reprocessing one centrally located with jb.

Genreally though you get better refining compressing it and shipping it to high sec. One of the reason most alliance never see mineral taxes.

If your not willing to move 3-4 freighters worth of upgrades per station your better off not bothering with keeping the minerals/ ice in null

This kind of makes me wonder what the benefit of having an outpost then really is. I was always under the impression that outposts are like high-sec stations but owned by the playerbase. Looks like I was wrong (as I said, I never dealt with outposts).

tons of stuff

Things that will be interesting for me... The time for endless ice mining has come at last. Except for AFK/Bot miners, this should not be too much of a problem. It is my hope that when a new Ice Field spawns that my Alliance fleet of miners can not kill it in 15 minutes. I hope that a bunch of us can kill it in 3 to 4 hours then D-Scan the next location. Twice the ice and half the time. We would not have to mine ice that often to keep our POS towers up.

I am miffed about all the time I have spent in training my scanning to the max just so I can scan down a Gravimetric site in less than a minute. I just wish they added a new type of signature that I could look for with my kick ass scanning skillz. Now a 1 day wonder can press the scan button and jump to the Ice Field? *sigh* In that I feel cheated. :)

Im a newer player and Im not too familiar with Gravs and Anoms.

But I read about them and I trained to scan them down and mine.

Now they will always have folks in them because they no longer need to be scanned down.

That sucks. I had to waste time training skills to do this. Had I known about this, I never would have trained those skills.

...this entire expansion is themed around doing new and exciting things with those exact skills, and you're crying about how you won't need them to find a field to hoe anymore.

I totally agree with the OP. CCP has made many attempts to populate low/null. All the people who want to be there are already there.

I also see the problem that the upcomming changes do not leave room for small high sec corporations to run a POS. Limiting the ICE supply is ok, but I think they overdid it. I just checked: Khanid Kingdom will not have asingle ICE anomaly in the whole region (!).

This is not limiting the ICE supply, this is completely removing the ICE supply. Why? Does CCP really want to ban POSes from high-sec in Khanid?

From the presentation i watched on Friday, it had nothing to do with what I used these skills for. Which is to find Gravs.

That's a personal problem. Those skills are receiving quite the treatment this patch - you should try using them outside of the very narrow and boring scope of finding rocks to pick at.

You're exactly right, it is a PERSONAL problem. The same way me Plexing or Paying for MY account is a PERSONAL problem.

You also have a PERSONAL problem, trying to force your opinion on others and influence the way they choose to play!

I use my skill how I want to my betterment or detriment. I determine the way I play. I'll adjust. Narrow and Boring it may be to you, is not how I view it.

How about you stop being condescending to people just because they dont play how you would like them too. Thats another PERSONAL problem of yours i see.

TLDR you're not meant to play an MMO game solo. The reality is if you don't play with other people you'll get bored and quit period.

and they STRONGLY encourage group activities.

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i want to be in null, however i make more isk in high sec so i am there.

there's no incentive for me to go in to null, currently.

First time I have agreed with you. I usually see you as a troll poster. We likely are agreeing for different reasons though.

Some ice mining will probably move from high to null or possibly even low, but it is not at all clear the price of ice products will go up. Ice miner cycle times are being cut in half, which means once an ice field is found the ice can be gathered a lot more quickly. It's quite possible ice prices will drop in the long run.

a max skilled Skiff with Roqual boost will mine 110 block per hour after thew 50% reduction is cykle time

So basically for refining, you need to get scrapmetal processing and refining up to 4, have a 40% refine station and use a refining implant to get "perfect" refine. Then you lose up to 10% to the owner corp.

Come to think of it, the only reason I can see why an ice-miner would cry about these changes are if they are botters. Ice prices are going to go up, after all.

Anyone complaining confirmed for a botter.

How is your head healing????

You've evidently been dropped on it a few times lately.

The latest proposed industry changes in the new expansion appear once more to try and encourage a greater player presence in low and null sec areas of the eve universe.

That will not happen, not now, not ever. The reason should be obvious, it is not in the nature of a high sec player to even consider low or null sec as a viable opportunity.

Nor is it in the nature of a low or null sec pvp player to suddenly want to become an industrialist.

...then why have I been reading up on indy things I would have never considered before? If it's a good money maker I'm interested.

considering these changes make mining a higher isk/hour activity over all, then yes botters are the only one with cause to complain.

I do not think this affects significantly isk/h in mining. There will be some turbulence during the transit period and some mineral prices will change, however, I would expect mining isk/h to stabilize in the same region isk/h per account wise as it is today.

What will change, probably is hi sec mining isk/h but after the drone poo shock it might have been a bit out of the line anyway. But I would not expect even that change to be particularly large. It is more scordite nerf - in my opinion - than a general hi sec mining nerf.

I'm sure some people will be significantly affected, if they have limited playtime window and happen to be with that window in the timezone where ice belts are between respawns. For example, assuming each belt is mined out in 1h in hi sec - DT ends at 11, ice gone at 12 - new belt spawns 16, gone by 17, EU timezone comes on at 18 and if your playtime is 2h you will never see ice, ice spawns at 21, gone by 22 then respawns at 02 evetime, and be gone by 3 evetime, etc.

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i want to be in null, however i make more isk in high sec so i am there.

there's no incentive for me to go in to null, currently.

those who WANT look for opportunities
those who DON"T WANT look for reasons

I'm not sure It's a full fledged push to move profitable industry into NULL . I think it's mostly just adding convenience for those who choose to do it anyway, even though it's inefficient. Keep in mind this is only the first step in what sounds like a extended plan to tempt pilots out of High-sec.

I think the changes in Odyssey will mostly effect mining and resource gathering rather than manufacturing. Although I Hope eventually it might even out more .