In order for WiS to be worth the time and money it would have to be overhauled in such a way that it's practically a separate game from EVE. Doing so would divert CCPs attention away from their other projects just for the sake of Second Life IN SPAAAACE which as we saw from the tears and rage after Incarna, few people actually want.

Put it this way, would you rather
WiS on it's current path is unnecessary and ridiculously boring. It's basically what the real world would be like if there was nothing to do and we were in space.

That could change with some Casinos where you could play with ISK, ships and monocles Some Poker tables, some roulets...

No one cares about WiS, move on.

You're wrong, quite a few people care.

Would be nice to have WiS, but not if they have to stop working on other things in order to implement it.
If they get a small team working on WiS while the rest of the ccp devs focus on the spaceship part of the game, i`m sure most players will be pleased.
This should prevent some of the drama surrounding that damn door.

I'm all for them just getting over it and outsource the thing, then everyone would be happy, the spaceships crowd, and the WiS crowd, for with spaceships CCP itself can keep working on spaceships, and the outsourcing would help us WiS fans.

Put it this way, would you rather

-Fight giant space battles
-Colonize star systems
-Extract rich and valuble materials
-Discover stunning and strange things
-Make untold fortunes on a market

OR

-Walk at 2 miles per hour
-Watch a boring holoprojector on constant loop
-Watch your character scratch his/her back ever 30 seconds

WiS on it's current path is unnecessary and ridiculously boring. It's basically what the real world would be like if there was nothing to do and we were in space.

In order for WiS to be worth the time and money it would have to be overhauled in such a way that it's practically a separate game from EVE. Doing so would divert CCPs attention away from their other projects just for the sake of Second Life IN SPAAAACE which as we saw from the tears and rage after Incarna, few people actually want.

In that case I'd be adamantly against it. Every time a developer outsources some part of developing their game, the result is crap. It would have to be CCP who do it, if they ever do.

Not enough, it seems. I certainly don't.

What I don't get is how can they go from "we have 200 pieces of clothing ready to put in game" to ... no new clothing for the past year.

On that note, I would love to see other EVE players hanging out somewhere in Second Life which already has the tools to build interesting avatar spaces. Doomed Ship for example is pretty cool, would be neat to hang out in an internet spaceship with other people who like internet spaceships when I'm temporarily tired of flying an internet spaceship and need a break.

But what if they open the door and it's the same room?

Worse, you open that door, and there's another YOU in the same room, but with only half the IQ, and then he follows you around everywhere in a noob ship making fart noises in local.

But CCP can't be seen to be forgetting flying in ships for walking in stations.

True, but not appearing to finish something that's already been started is equally uninspiring to loyal fans.

Yes !

Open the door !
Right into open space !

Let them all die and make the characters unplayable !


Anyway, on a serious note ... the best part about all this whining is the fact
that it's simply *not gonna happen* in the near or medium future.

But hey ... keep whining, it's enjoyable. ^_^

The questions is which faction is whining.

I think the majority of Incarna supporting part of EvE-Players has shown that they are pretty carefull with not harming the envolvement of the space.

I already stated myself for envolvement, but it is your good right to not do so. I want that EvE survive and gaining more complexity.

I've been pro WiS since well before Incarna. When I started playing I said Eve wasn't for me... I said I wanted an Avatar, but my friend showed me the footage from the old Incarna prototype that was being showcased in like 2006. So I figured I would wait around.

I love Eve now, Avatar or no. But it pisses me off that they've promised so much and delivered so little. Open the god damn door already.

Those of you saying WiS wont add any meaningful game play should take a look at the wreck diving prototype idea. There's more content there than in most of highsec.

that the mouth is going to move when speaking via ingame voice.

It could be the real immersion of a social gameplay and the friendship or even foeship

build up in those bars and clubs may result in huge economic consequences.

A new player is getting into EvE, get a warm welcome from its hologram in his captains quarter with sound output. He now has the ability to choose, to meet people right after he entered the game, or doing a few tutorials with agents which will talk to him while he is in space like in the X-Universe.

Hello Solstice Project,

its all about immersion, and graphics and technology is a port to strengthing the immersive part of the game, which can acquire more players to stay or get into EvE as well as add complexity for the long term ones.

But I think the disagreement between us really show the different thinking directions we got at the same topic. I notice more then simply fancy graphics behind Walking in Stations.

If it will be something like this, than no thank you. Keep that door shut and barricaded then.

But, if there can be shooting, killing, stabbing and backstabbing sprinkled with gambling then yes open that damn door, open it right now.

b..b..but, running around a "bar" with a pink 'fro is important, and EVE is going to die without it.

the mouth is going to move when speaking via ingame voice.

I would honestly be all for it if I could be convinced that these features could be implemented without CCP neglecting the other aspects of the game. However, I have doubts that they could considering they are working on DUST and WoD as well, and they simply cant stall their work on those while they are in their infancy or else they will crumble before they can take off.

this is beyond creepy, and not at all what I would look for in a game.

i want my bar, please open the door and let me make my bar!

CCP Atlanta is and always was working on WoD, CCP Shanghai is working on DUST and CCP Reykjavik is working on EVE Online.

Anyway I'm pretty freaking tired of this reasoning against WiS: "Oooh they'll have to drop everything to make Incarna worthwile, I'm against it because of this."
No, they don't have to drop everything. CCP Demoed Ambulation (what Incarna was called back then) during 2008 fanfest (I think it was 2008, but could be 2009?), they had a mostly working prototype with establishments and minigames you could play with other capsuleers for ISK, they also demoed bots - in this case, bartenders - and mentioned they could be further developed in a way to allow player created missions; Have a player to install a shady character bot in an establishment, write dialogue for it and have it demand an item for a reward , or give some sort of an item for a fee, as an example, like the bartenders would serve drinks for a fee, which would go to fatten a corporation or a personal wallet (with appropriate taxes levied by Concord Secure Commerce Commission of course). Don't believe me? Watch the video.

This fairly impressive prototype was by the way done during Eve's "golden years", expansions such as Trinity, Empyrean Age, Quantum Rise - Apocrypha, which, unless I remember terribly wrong, is generally hailed as one of the best (or at least most feature rich) EVE expansions to date. Go check for yourself all the things CCP got out, while working on that prototype for Incarna.



Now granted I have no idea what was the reason behind the clustrefuck of an expansion Incarna eventually became, but I think goes to show CCP could do great things and focus on lots of things at once. In fact I think the Crucible Expansion is one of the biggest proponents in this regard - UI improvements, new space backgrounds, bug fixes by the ton, etc, you know what i'm talking about.
And CCP was a smaller company with less resources back then than it is now, they didn't have the PLEX revenue for example.

But frankly, I'm amazed how many people seem think CCP can't do anything these days without completely ignoring everything else than the one thing they are working on.

CCP - I believe in you. Even though you break my heart time and time again.

inb4 Star Citizen

P.S. Threads about WiS start popping twice per week.

So say we all.

2. they have learned from their mistake and will actually have content.

The first :18 months: were bad enough.

Stick to spaceships. If i wanted to play dress up dolls, i'd buy a barbie.

Last time they started to open the door the game almost collapsed. I dont give a damn about what's happening behind the door. Actually I dont even have the Captain Quarters preloaded.

I play this game because of the internet spaceships, nothing more. Since CCP recognized they were going on the wrong direction the number of subscribers went up again and EVE actually reborn with a tremendous amount of new features being add in every new expansion.

Let it stay like it is. Let the door stay closed.

Yet you still went into the effort of creating your character and putting clothes on it, please don't speak unless you have the "no character grey outline". thanks.

Last time they started to open the door the game almost collapsed. I dont give a damn about what's happening behind the door. Actually I dont even have the Captain Quarters preloaded.

I play this game because of the internet spaceships, nothing more. Since CCP recognized they were going on the wrong direction the number of subscribers went up again and EVE actually reborn with a tremendous amount of new features being add in every new expansion.

Let it stay like it is. Let the door stay closed.

It can't forever. CCP can't solely focus on space and never innovate again, otherwise EVE will stagnate and die to people who are willing to make these things possible. That's just business.

It can't forever. CCP can't solely focus on space and never innovate again, otherwise EVE will stagnate and die to people who are willing to make these things possible. That's just business.

So say we all.

It will not be a MMO, but sure it will keep us busy... Anyway, we should get real on SC avatars: the only avatar gameplay in SC will be the boarding ships stuff. Albeit there will be some socializing spaces and "strolling inside awesome starships", SC is a boyz game... so don't expect to see any fancy clothing, not even for female characters pilots.

Incarna was a mistake because of the Nexus store not because of Walking In Stations.

Walking In Stations can really enhance the player experience for EVE.

The Nexus Exchange was nothing more than a money grab on top of a subscription fee.

If you don't want to walk in stations you don't have to but I want it. I want to go into a player owned bar, drink a player-created booster, watching a vid screen that displays a feed from a player-created-camera drone out in the system somewhere while another player flies out to it and hacks it to show a different feed...

I want to buy clothing created by players. I want player owned store fronts. I want interaction with DUST 514 bunnies.

I want corporation meetings where people can pull up maps of systems and point things out. There is a -ton- of awesome stuff that can add to EVE and would grow EVE's playerbaes without negatively impacting the rest of the game (being Internet Spaceships.)

I want corporate offices to be there. I want to see trophies in the corp office. I want to see player-made furniture. I want to be able to walk to the corporate hangar and see all the ships.

Walking In Stations should focus on supporting Internet Spaceships but it isn't a mistake.

There is nothing on the other side of the door to open it to.

You want to see the door open, to reveal a black void that you bump into when you try to walk through the door?

If I had my druthers, I'd prefer the devs work on more "in space stuff", like that vision where we take the place of the empires, instead of putting a room in the space station where we can all walk around and admire each others wardrobes.

I said it in another thread, but devs have been working, almost exclusively, on "in space stuff" for two years now. What has it done for the game? Well, let's just say we haven't beat a *spontaneous* peak concurrent user record from 2011 yet. And there's been many attempts and *scheduled* events to try and break it, and so far all of them failed. The next such event is scheduled for May 5th, I believe. What's my point? FiS alone or WiS alone are not good for EVE. A balance of the two is good, and it is the future of this game. If this game is to have a future, that is.

Please let us buy handguns with aurum so when that door is opened, we can shoot each other in the face.


I'm telling you, "fighting in stations" will be EPIC.

Please let us buy handguns with aurum so when that door is opened, we can shoot each other in the face.


I'm telling you, "fighting in stations" will be EPIC.

Long long time ago, CCP announced some cool stuff about WIS and today they say: WIS? DUST! We dont work on WIS.

Sorry but i cannot believe in any new stuff you want to release in the future....it will just dont happen. Comment please CCP.

On that note, I would love to see other EVE players hanging out somewhere in Second Life which already has the tools to build interesting avatar spaces. Doomed Ship for example is pretty cool, would be neat to hang out in an internet spaceship with other people who like internet spaceships when I'm temporarily tired of flying an internet spaceship and need a break.

They announced a load of WIS stuff, neglected the core game for 18 months+ to work on it, and hilariously underdelivered in the Incarna fiasco which nearly killed the company.

Go to Jita on SL. Done :)

The door will never open. It's not because of all the pathetic little whiny brats that stomped their feet, shot at a statue and unsubbed when WiS released either. No...it's because of all the intelligent players with some common sense who didn't stomp their feet, shoot at a statue and unsub when CCP said they weren't working on WiS anymore and caved into the minority.

That's right...all of you players that didn't quit the game when you had the chance. It's your fault we aren't getting WiS. Thanks a lot jerks!

Station atrium, bar, poker room, corp meeting room.

Those 4 rooms would greatly add to immersion, that's all I ask of Incarna.

I personally think It'd be great to open the door. I think everyone was disappointed with walk in stations because there was nothing to do in it. If they find some game mechanics to add to it i reckon it'd be a good investment of time and money for EVE. They already have the engine to support it implemented inside EVE, so all they need to do is add the features.

OPEN THE DOOR