There is a massive backstory to Eve. Read the Chronicles: http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/. Try and keep up with the live events as well: https://twitter.com/EVE_LiveEvents

The game itself is somewhat intentionally left void of NPC interaction in order to facilitate player storylines instead.

Look at the Battle of Caldari Prime, not just the event but the weeks leading up to it were absolutely fantastic in terms of lore and immersion. CCP does a great job of making the EVE universe feel alive and real, and if you are into nullsec like I am the players add that as well.

A lot of players love building and flying spaceships. Devs clearly love getting payed to geek out and make space stuff. But it's like the fact that this is all taking place in a fictional universe is just the bare bones justification for being able to fly spaceships and form online communities. Where's the storytelling? Where's the innovations in PVE to allow players to immerse themselves, at least to some extent, in the fiction? Where are ANY innovations in PVE to make it more dynamic and alive in order to at least give players a canvass on which their imaginations can fill in the gaps? And don't tell me to go play ****ing SWTOR.

It almost makes me want to go try GW2 instead focusing on a game in which my interest in sci fi immersion and PVE gameplay causes me to be dismissed as a role play carebear by a bunch of leet number crunchers. It annoys me to no end that so many EVE players hate sci fi. There's a sort of middle school-ish peer pressure to treat anything immersive as Santa Claus kid stuff. ****ing goons and other cynical leet "community born" pressure CCP to neglect immersive storytelling and dynamic PVE (and I mean just up to par with other MMOs) because it's not "emergent content" (and not about their stardom) etc. Such a ****ing waste of the world that CCP created.

Don't get me wrong. PVP in EVE is amazing. The sandbox is a thing of beauty. It's extremely awesome that some players have become famous and influential. The communities that have been formed are a unique thing in this world. And I want more people in 0.0 carving out little principalities and creating great dynamic emergent content as much as anyone. If that's where we're going then CCP needs seriously turn on the MWD and get us moving in that direction ASAP. In that case a lesser focus on empire PVE might make more sense.

But even if 0.0 were 10x as dynamic and populated as it is now it would still be great to have an environment in which the professional sci fi storytellers at CCP (who are getting payed for what? Maybe there's only one writer left) are able to tell the ongoing story of this world and give us interesting ways to be part of it. I love science fiction. I want science fiction stories that are woven into immersive gameplay. I don't want it from Mass Effect or Star Wars. i want it from EVE. Can SOMEONE tell me WHY that is so much to ask???!!!

Like banging my ****ing head against a wall.

And again, how is emergent content undermined by designed content? Even if I live in 0.0 and am really involved and loving it, wouldn't it be great if I could take a little trip and go on a cool mini-epic arc, enjoy that experience that gives me something different, and then go back to "normal life"? It would be a great diversion and I'd look forward to the next one being seeded.

Here's a suggestion. Replace storyline missions from agents with mini-epic arcs that really spin a yarn and scatter agents with unique missions across all security space. Increased standings with empire (and pirate!) factions reveals more and more of them. Or better yet standings thresholds could yield a few "access keys" which reveal more unique agents from that faction when consumed. The player that earned them need only consume one and sell the rest so that those who have no interest in grinding standings can have access too. These unique agents would each provide mini-epic arcs and nice rewards.

And again, how is emergent content undermined by designed content? Even if I live in 0.0 and am really involved and loving it, wouldn't it be great if I could take a little trip and go on a cool mini-epic arc, enjoy that experience that gives me something different, and then go back to "normal life"? It would be a great diversion and I'd look forward to the next one being seeded.

Here's a suggestion. Replace storyline missions from agents with mini-epic arcs that really spin a yarn and scatter agents with unique missions across all security space. Increased standings with empire (and pirate!) factions reveals more and more of them. Or better yet standings thresholds could yield a few "access keys" which reveal more unique agents from that faction when consumed. The player that earned them need only consume one and sell the rest so that those who have no interest in grinding standings can have access too. These unique agents would each provide mini-epic arcs and nice rewards.

Part of the point of eve is that the players ARE the story, and they make the story.

Yes, there is extensive lore, and background, but that is secondary to the story which players make themselves.

As was mentioned several times at FF....the stories and events of players are often better than the stories CCP come up with.

The new trailer even hints at the fall of the factions, and CCP seagull was giving hints towards more player based things.


Yes, CCP do events like the Battle for Caldari prime, but, unlike most other games, many events, storylines etc are best when done by players.

Yes, of course real stories in which all the characters are real people trumps written stories. And chocolate is better than vanilla. No offense but why do you guys hate vanilla and why are you boycotting it? Can't we just have a decent helping of sci fi storytelling please???!!! What harm can it do?

I want science fiction stories that are woven into immersive gameplay.

Why would you want CCP to spend development time on something that doesn't work well with emergent gameplay? Yes the mission running is terrible, but why are you mission running if you don't like it?

You do get it from EVE Online; just at a different pace and with more player input required. This is more like being a GM / Storyteller in a massive RPG than it is reading a novel. And CCP will stage events that impact the world (Note the recent events near Caldari Prime) and although those are rare; keep in mind the world moves slowly, year by year by year. It's on an entirely different scale with an entirely fluid and open set of protagonists.

Now don't tell me the tale of Ubiqua Seraph was not a science fiction story woven into immersive gameplay!

(http://eve.klaki.net/heist/)

As far as I know Caldari Prime is the first of its kind

Where's the storytelling? Where's the innovations in PVE to allow players to immerse themselves, at least to some extent, in the fiction?

You make no sense.
PvE provides no stories.
Players provide stories.

PvE doesn't provide any way to create new stories.
Players create *real* stories.

Stop hiding in a universe, which only exists in your head.
EvE is as real as any science fiction universe can get.

You make no sense.
PvE provides no stories.
Players provide stories.

PvE doesn't provide any way to create new stories.
Players create *real* stories.

Stop hiding in a universe, which only exists in your head.
EvE is as real as any science fiction universe can get.

A lot of players love building and flying spaceships. Devs clearly love getting payed to geek out and make space stuff. But it's like the fact that this is all taking place in a fictional universe is just the bare bones justification for being able to fly spaceships and form online communities. Where's the storytelling? Where's the innovations in PVE to allow players to immerse themselves, at least to some extent, in the fiction? Where are ANY innovations in PVE to make it more dynamic and alive in order to at least give players a canvass on which their imaginations can fill in the gaps? And don't tell me to go play ****ing SWTOR.

It almost makes me want to go try GW2 instead focusing on a game in which my interest in sci fi immersion and PVE gameplay causes me to be dismissed as a role play carebear by a bunch of leet number crunchers. It annoys me to no end that so many EVE players hate sci fi. There's a sort of middle school-ish peer pressure to treat anything immersive as Santa Claus kid stuff. ****ing goons and other cynical leet "community born" pressure CCP to neglect immersive storytelling and dynamic PVE (and I mean just up to par with other MMOs) because it's not "emergent content" (and not about their stardom) etc. Such a ****ing waste of the world that CCP created.

Don't get me wrong. PVP in EVE is amazing. The sandbox is a thing of beauty. It's extremely awesome that some players have become famous and influential. The communities that have been formed are a unique thing in this world. And I want more people in 0.0 carving out little principalities and creating great dynamic emergent content as much as anyone. If that's where we're going then CCP needs seriously turn on the MWD and get us moving in that direction ASAP. In that case a lesser focus on empire PVE might make more sense.

But even if 0.0 were 10x as dynamic and populated as it is now it would still be great to have an environment in which the professional sci fi storytellers at CCP (who are getting payed for what? Maybe there's only one writer left) are able to tell the ongoing story of this world and give us interesting ways to be part of it. I love science fiction. I want science fiction stories that are woven into immersive gameplay. I don't want it from Mass Effect or Star Wars. i want it from EVE. Can SOMEONE tell me WHY that is so much to ask???!!!

Like banging my ****ing head against a wall.

A lot of players love building and flying spaceships. Devs clearly love getting payed to geek out and make space stuff. But it's like the fact that this is all taking place in a fictional universe is just the bare bones justification for being able to fly spaceships and form online communities. Where's the storytelling? Where's the innovations in PVE to allow players to immerse themselves, at least to some extent, in the fiction? Where are ANY innovations in PVE to make it more dynamic and alive in order to at least give players a canvass on which their imaginations can fill in the gaps? And don't tell me to go play ****ing SWTOR.

It almost makes me want to go try GW2 instead focusing on a game in which my interest in sci fi immersion and PVE gameplay causes me to be dismissed as a role play carebear by a bunch of leet number crunchers. It annoys me to no end that so many EVE players hate sci fi. There's a sort of middle school-ish peer pressure to treat anything immersive as Santa Claus kid stuff. ****ing goons and other cynical leet "community born" pressure CCP to neglect immersive storytelling and dynamic PVE (and I mean just up to par with other MMOs) because it's not "emergent content" (and not about their stardom) etc. Such a ****ing waste of the world that CCP created.

Don't get me wrong. PVP in EVE is amazing. The sandbox is a thing of beauty. It's extremely awesome that some players have become famous and influential. The communities that have been formed are a unique thing in this world. And I want more people in 0.0 carving out little principalities and creating great dynamic emergent content as much as anyone. If that's where we're going then CCP needs seriously turn on the MWD and get us moving in that direction ASAP. In that case a lesser focus on empire PVE might make more sense.

But even if 0.0 were 10x as dynamic and populated as it is now it would still be great to have an environment in which the professional sci fi storytellers at CCP (who are getting payed for what? Maybe there's only one writer left) are able to tell the ongoing story of this world and give us interesting ways to be part of it. I love science fiction. I want science fiction stories that are woven into immersive gameplay. I don't want it from Mass Effect or Star Wars. i want it from EVE. Can SOMEONE tell me WHY that is so much to ask???!!!

Like banging my ****ing head against a wall.

[quote=Solstice Project]40-60% of the people who play this game want what I want.

GTFO

Yes and no.

CCP mechanics restrict the dynamic nature of the "storytelling" which also create a backdrop for players effecting the story of Eve. Storyline wise Eve should be in a perpetual state of war between the factions, however this is hardly felt in places like Highsec/Low. "Storytelling" doesn't necessarily have to be PVE based, but instead can be used to influence player interaction. People tend to forget this is a MMORPG expanding on storytelling aspect is a part of the game as well.

Part of the point of eve is that the players ARE the story, and they make the story.

Yes, there is extensive lore, and background, but that is secondary to the story which players make themselves.

As was mentioned several times at FF....the stories and events of players are often better than the stories CCP come up with.

The new trailer even hints at the fall of the factions, and CCP seagull was giving hints towards more player based things.


Yes, CCP do events like the Battle for Caldari prime, but, unlike most other games, many events, storylines etc are best when done by players.

Eve to me is absolutely about the story line. I dont really know anything of this 'emergent story', but in essence, for me atleast, and my friends that Eve is a place for us to jump on skype, grab a beer or two, and have fun testing our new ship builds running Level 4 missions. I'd LOVE to be able to try some level 5 missions, that would be awesome...

Ofcourse rules would have to be put into to make sure some goonalt doesn't get voted in and declares a hulkageddon every other day.

You say that like it would be a bad thing

If roleplayers could be voted into government and could call the shots for their faction it would make the storyline a lot more dynamic and immersive. Ofcourse rules would have to be put into to make sure some goonalt doesn't get voted in and declares a hulkageddon every other day.

Okay, okay.
I get your point and you're not one of these dumb, demanding people, as i can see by your post.

That's fine.

But ... 40%-60% people who play this game. If this is the "majority is solo players" thingy,
then i'll just add you on the pile of people who simply don't understand what the words said.

Think about it. If it were that many actual people, then they'd all be dumb morons
because they play a game that totally doesn't cater to them and doesn't make them happy.
For YEARS.

The quote doesn't mean what most people think it means. Mostly because they read it in
exactly the way they want to read it.

Think. About. It.

Thanks.

There are 2 truly great events in MMO history imo - the Murder of Lord British and the Great War. Your "rules" would fail to deliver either again.

Is not understood by much of the playerbase, but the ability of people to play pirates and tyrants is vital to a healthy RP game.

The "rules" aren't trying to deliver that. Events that occur purely due to player interaction will always be far greater than the NPC backstory. The point in making the empires more interactive with the players is to let people who enjoy the backstory become part of it.

A player who gets voted into a factions government could decide to push for an invasion of null-sec. Imagine the four empires faction warfare militia's fighting the null-sec empires for space. It would add a whole new dynamic to the game, increase conflict and also get more people into awesome null-sec PVP.

I'd be all for this. I wonder how high sec people would react when we start dropping SBUs in high sec and taking sov there though.

The game itself is somewhat intentionally left void of NPC interaction in order to facilitate player storylines instead.

"Storytelling" doesn't necessarily have to be PVE based, but instead can be used to influence player interaction. People tend to forget this is a MMORPG expanding on storytelling aspect is a part of the game as well.

Novel writing online?

I'm somewhat agree with the op the there are few backstories inside the game. For people who saying "create story yourself", I would say that you can't create much story until ccp allows player to add more semi-permanent inputs to the game

What do I need Eve for to create that story

If I have to "imagine" all parts of the story why am I subbing?

Some people rather read stories than make them, live them and change them.

Eve is not for these people, books and movies are. EVE is for people who don't settle for being a passive consumers. We are the kids that go through the door to Narnia, you are the kids reading about us.

I totally agree that some people can just play eve without any in game backgrounds, like a fps shooting game.

But being plain hasn't been the intention, I assume.

See, there again you want to be told stories instead of experiencing them.

Cool. Tell us about your awesome life in Narnia. Do you fly around and shoot people? Talk about who did what to who when and where? Awesome. Yeah you're right. No stories about the fictional world of New Eden should be told. And if they are there should, at all costs, be no interactive aspect to them whatsoever. Because that would be passively consuming something. That should never happen because it offends people like you. We should all just give up on that. We're defective for somehow liking storylines and dynamic PVE while still loving EVE. We should get nothing. We should all just leave.

I even have my own story as the mad mega guy that I have built up over the years. Tales of being the lone survivor and fighting to get back home. My favorate is the one that happened a few years back. Now, this is a story all about how. My life got flipped-turned upside down. And I'd like to take a minute, Just sit right there, I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air.

My imagination could use a little support in order to have my disbelief suspended. So if you undock, how can I tell you apart from the other 1000 guys in a similar ship?

Why have sci fi when you can have sci real?
0/5 OP

A lot of players love building and flying spaceships. Devs clearly love getting payed to geek out and make space stuff. But it's like the fact that this is all taking place in a fictional universe is just the bare bones justification for being able to fly spaceships and form online communities. Where's the storytelling? Where's the innovations in PVE to allow players to immerse themselves, at least to some extent, in the fiction?

It almost makes me want to go try GW2 instead focusing on a game in which my interest in sci fi immersion and PVE gameplay causes me to be dismissed as a role play carebear by a bunch of leet number crunchers.

I mean that 40-60% of people who play EVE enjoy PVE that has an engaging story and very much want that to be a part of their gameplay. I think this group tends to lean towards what we're familiar with. That's PVE and stories. That's what almost all games are that aren't FPS. That to me is what made sense when I started playing EVE. The transition into PVP is neither smooth nor swift for most of us. I think most of us, if we're able to find our way into a situation in which we can really experience a variety of emergent content, will love it and swear by it from then on. I think most of us, once we get our bearings in PVP, will really dig it. I think most of that 40-60% would love to be part of an alliance in 0.0 and be valued contributors to their division/corp/alliance.

We'll still want to go on our adorable little role playing quests sometimes though. :)

Where's the storytelling?

HuhGǪ

The reason i play EVE is because it has the most immersion and the most fantastic story-telling of any game currently in existence, and because it's actually true to scifi (both soft and hard) and not just [whatever] recycled in space.

40-60% of people who play this game REALLY want PVE iteration

does it hurt when you pull numbers from your ass?

The problem is that you're complaining about CCP not catering to you wanting to consume "just the exciting parts" of stories. Provided that you're not playing solo, and your story is just "went to mine, got ganked again today", then the exciting parts will come in time; just as they have for all of us.

When I talk about what WE want--dynamic PVE, real PVE iteration, and an infusion of content to populate the empty vastness of New Eden with fictional people, places and things that stimulate the imaginations of those of us who love to imagine, who don't want absolutely EVERYTHING to be player interaction based--I hear nothing about how to balance it with emergent content, nothing about how to improve PVE.

40-60% of people who play this game REALLY want PVE iteration.

Who are these GÇ£weGÇ¥?

What is this claim based on?

The content you're after already exists. It's just not in the form of PvE because it would be a complete waste of everyone's time to duplicate (in much worse and less coherent form) what the game already provides automatically.

Dynamic PvE by very definition does not have a coherent story; a coherent story means a static script; neither fit in world where the story is dictated by player action and there are no instances or player-specific world shaping and by virtue of being rule-bound no matter what, it can never be emergent.

Just for an example of numbers / dates:

Stories - EVE
The Great War - Jan - Oct 2007
m0o - June 2003
Battle of Asakai - Feb 2013
EBANK - Aug 2009
Fall of BOB - Feb 2009
more stories than I care to count

I'd be all for this. I wonder how high sec people would react when we start dropping SBUs in high sec and taking sov there though.

Would make logistics a hell of a lot easier :)

What you saying also reveals the fact that even these biggest in-game events have left no marks inside the game, and people who want to know the story have to open a website to read the novel, which is pretty off to most of the in-game population.

For example, for the battle of Asakai or any large slaughter of super caps, why wouldn't ccp (or automatically by system) create a bacon with many capital/non-capital wrecks saying "A great capital fights between xxx and xxx was happened here, xxx Nyx, xxx Aeon was lost", and such. They can also invite both part to write a short comment and add them to the bacon.

It's the real player created story, rather than the novels looks like what come from a parallel world.

What you saying also reveals the fact that even these biggest in-game events have left no marks inside the game, and people who want to know the story have to open a website to read the novel, which is pretty off to most of the in-game population.

For example, for the battle of Asakai or any large slaughter of super caps, why wouldn't ccp (or automatically by system) create a bacon with many capital/non-capital wrecks saying "A great capital fights between xxx and xxx was happened here, xxx Nyx, xxx Aeon was lost", and such. They can also invite both part to write a short comment and add them to the bacon.

It's the real player created story, rather than the novels looks like what come from a parallel world.

First of all, great examples in your post above. That kind of stuff is absolutely the heart and soul of EVE. Actually I think PVE iteration adds to everything you mentioned. It gives players more interesting things to do together and, more importantly, it enables PVEers to pursue a more interesting and engaging "career", which they can focus on as a fully engaged member of a community, contributing to emergent content. A rich player environment will not be hampered by adding depth to the world through designed content. In fact it's just the opposite. (more stuff I don't have room for)

What you saying also reveals the fact that even these biggest in-game events have left no marks inside the game, and people who want to know the story have to open a website to read the novel, which is pretty off to most of the in-game population.

For example, for the battle of Asakai or any large slaughter of super caps, why wouldn't ccp (or automatically by system) create a bacon with many capital/non-capital wrecks saying "A great capital fights between xxx and xxx was happened here, xxx Nyx, xxx Aeon was lost", and such. They can also invite both part to write a short comment and add them to the bacon.

It's the real player created story, rather than the novels looks like what come from a parallel world.

I think I see what you're after. It sounds like you want a PVE storyline that you can consume that doesn't require the interaction with other players of the game (due to "us" wanting it, and something about 50% of eve players play solo). Or, at least that's what it sounds like. The thing is, that isn't what EVE is about -- the entire story, be it through chronicles or what the players have done is focused on the human element.

It is that human element, and the conflict between people that drives the story ... this isn't the type of game where you just role-play as a farmer thrown into the midst of a galactic war, or any one of the other various plotlines that start off RPG-style games (or any other story-telling medium).

What you're calling for (more PVE, and stuff), at least in the way that I'm reading it, won't do things the way you think they will. I mean, just look around the forums -- the miners (botters) are all up in arms about depleting ice, and the nullsec industry buffs. CCP is giving the PVE side *exactly* what you're calling for, and yet you (collectively as PVE players) don't want it.

Sounds like your alleged "we" isn't as cohesive as you imagine -- even the current "PVE stuff that was supposed to bring people together" isn't even doing that. You have people running 2 and 3 and 16 accounts so they can get more of the spoils of w-space or incursions or mining or whatever. All this shows me is that "you" only want more stuff that can be easily farmed. PVE players don't want to work together for any length of time longer than the bare minimum needed to learn how to farm it themselves.

We _want_ you to come and participate in the sandbox. Thing is, "the sandbox" is so much more than "went out, ratted for 2 hours" that you seem to want. The true life in EVE is in those really, really good "rats" that are red boxes instead of red crosses.

Here's the "WE": http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2013/04/fanfest-day-four-skal.html

"One of the interesting statistics to come out of the Economy Roundtable: 50% of all EVE players "play solo", whatever that means." --Jester's Trek on Fan Fest

That's your opinion. Again, probably about half of subscribers disagree with you. You treat PVE as an afterthought, a piece of s*** you can't figure out how to flush.

PVE is part of the EVE economy. If you take it out, then we'll all be mining and manufacturing to stay in ships. If you leave it in, improve it!! It's as simple as that!

So you're extrapolating some pretty huge conclusions based on a reference to a comment on a number that the commenter doesn't even understand. RiiiightGǪ

The reason those players are categorised as GÇ£soloGÇ¥ is because they don't do whatever they do in groups. This has almost nothing to do with PvE, and almost everything to do with most activities simply not being done in groups. There are no group sell orders; no group industry (other than some high-end resource collection); very little group ISK-grinding (since, by design, it's almost all competitive and thus directly harmful to do as a group).

PvE in EVE has always had one purpose and one purpose alone: to inject ISK at one end and extract it at the other. The stories being weaved between those endpoints were up to the players to produce. The reason you see a lot of people engage in PvE is because they want ISK GÇö a story would just be more bloated screens of text to click through to get to that ISK. The source of the above numbers is the same source that concluded that what we're seeing is simply a cycle of GÇ£get ISK GåÆ blow ISK on fun stuff GåÆ get more ISKGÇ¥, and what you're proposing is to short-circuit that cycle into GÇ£get ISK GåÆ get ISKGÇ¥ (which would require the ISK to be removed as a factor, leaving only the underlying GÇ£funGÇ¥ that people skip over as fast as possible).

I'm not defending solo play as a"way of life" in EVE. To commit to it is misguided. By "us" I only mean that at least 50% of players engage in PVE more than PVP, and it follows that those players would love to see that aspect of the game given some serious love, and I think we deserve it. That is all.

I agree a lot of solo players in EVE have very bad habits, including myself to some extent. It's not a game that works long term solo. I'm not hoping for an enhanced PVE experience so that it'll be more fun to play solo all the time. In fact, speaking for myself, I would prefer to be fly solo as little as possible from here on out. As for those stuck in solo land, let's not hold back iteration for fear of what they'll do with it.

Basically, I want EVE to feel even more real and dynamic and be full of even more different things I can do. I want to be able to be in a small group roam, then go off and find some signatures (that takes me off on a little story/hunt for something/etc), then go fight in an arena, then fight in a fleet battle, then go on a mini-epic arc series of missions, then go mining (no f*** that), then mess with PI, then escort some miners, go on another small group roam, and so on. Basically I want the variety that already there, the sort of "cycle" that's already in place. I just want the PVE part to be more interesting. Burn me at the stake.

You talk as if PVE wasn't already in the game and you're arguing against it being added. It's already here and it's not going anywhere. The economy would fall apart without it. Riddle me this: why not iterate something that is fundamental to the game? Why leave it mothballed in its current not-changed-at-all-for-4-years state?

Beyond that, since this is EVE, you can create your own dynamic and emergent story.

What you saying also reveals the fact that even these biggest in-game events have left no marks inside the game, and people who want to know the story have to open a website to read the novel, which is pretty off to most of the in-game population.

A lot of players love building and flying spaceships. Devs clearly love getting payed to geek out and make space stuff. But it's like the fact that this is all taking place in a fictional universe is just the bare bones justification for being able to fly spaceships and form online communities. Where's the storytelling? Where's the innovations in PVE to allow players to immerse themselves, at least to some extent, in the fiction? Where are ANY innovations in PVE to make it more dynamic and alive in order to at least give players a canvass on which their imaginations can fill in the gaps? And don't tell me to go play ****ing SWTOR.

It almost makes me want to go try GW2 instead focusing on a game in which my interest in sci fi immersion and PVE gameplay causes me to be dismissed as a role play carebear by a bunch of leet number crunchers. It annoys me to no end that so many EVE players hate sci fi. There's a sort of middle school-ish peer pressure to treat anything immersive as Santa Claus kid stuff. ****ing goons and other cynical leet "community born" pressure CCP to neglect immersive storytelling and dynamic PVE (and I mean just up to par with other MMOs) because it's not "emergent content" (and not about their stardom) etc. Such a ****ing waste of the world that CCP created.

Don't get me wrong. PVP in EVE is amazing. The sandbox is a thing of beauty. It's extremely awesome that some players have become famous and influential. The communities that have been formed are a unique thing in this world. And I want more people in 0.0 carving out little principalities and creating great dynamic emergent content as much as anyone. If that's where we're going then CCP needs seriously turn on the MWD and get us moving in that direction ASAP. In that case a lesser focus on empire PVE might make more sense.

But even if 0.0 were 10x as dynamic and populated as it is now it would still be great to have an environment in which the professional sci fi storytellers at CCP (who are getting payed for what? Maybe there's only one writer left) are able to tell the ongoing story of this world and give us interesting ways to be part of it. I love science fiction. I want science fiction stories that are woven into immersive gameplay. I don't want it from Mass Effect or Star Wars. i want it from EVE. Can SOMEONE tell me WHY that is so much to ask???!!!

Like banging my ****ing head against a wall.

There are only four other sci-fi settings with more fluff to it than EVE that I can think of. Warhammer 40,000, Doctor Who, Star Wars, and Star Trek. Not sure of the order but you could put it together. Regardless, EVE is easily in the top 5 and it's only been around for a decade.

What you saying also reveals the fact that even these biggest in-game events have left no marks inside the game

No

Where's the storytelling?

What you saying also reveals the fact that even these biggest in-game events have left no marks inside the game, and people who want to know the story have to open a website to read the novel, which is pretty off to most of the in-game population.

For example, for the battle of Asakai or any large slaughter of super caps, why wouldn't ccp (or automatically by system) create a bacon with many capital/non-capital wrecks saying "A great capital fights between xxx and xxx was happened here, xxx Nyx, xxx Aeon was lost", and such. They can also invite both part to write a short comment and add them to the bacon.

It's the real player created story, rather than the novels looks like what come from a parallel world.

A lot of players love building and flying spaceships. Devs clearly love getting payed to geek out and make space stuff. But it's like the fact that this is all taking place in a fictional universe is just the bare bones justification for being able to fly spaceships and form online communities. Where's the storytelling? Where's the innovations in PVE to allow players to immerse themselves, at least to some extent, in the fiction? Where are ANY innovations in PVE to make it more dynamic and alive in order to at least give players a canvass on which their imaginations can fill in the gaps? And don't tell me to go play ****ing SWTOR.

It almost makes me want to go try GW2 instead focusing on a game in which my interest in sci fi immersion and PVE gameplay causes me to be dismissed as a role play carebear by a bunch of leet number crunchers. It annoys me to no end that so many EVE players hate sci fi. There's a sort of middle school-ish peer pressure to treat anything immersive as Santa Claus kid stuff. ****ing goons and other cynical leet "community born" pressure CCP to neglect immersive storytelling and dynamic PVE (and I mean just up to par with other MMOs) because it's not "emergent content" (and not about their stardom) etc. Such a ****ing waste of the world that CCP created.

Don't get me wrong. PVP in EVE is amazing. The sandbox is a thing of beauty. It's extremely awesome that some players have become famous and influential. The communities that have been formed are a unique thing in this world. And I want more people in 0.0 carving out little principalities and creating great dynamic emergent content as much as anyone. If that's where we're going then CCP needs seriously turn on the MWD and get us moving in that direction ASAP. In that case a lesser focus on empire PVE might make more sense.

But even if 0.0 were 10x as dynamic and populated as it is now it would still be great to have an environment in which the professional sci fi storytellers at CCP (who are getting payed for what? Maybe there's only one writer left) are able to tell the ongoing story of this world and give us interesting ways to be part of it. I love science fiction. I want science fiction stories that are woven into immersive gameplay. I don't want it from Mass Effect or Star Wars. i want it from EVE. Can SOMEONE tell me WHY that is so much to ask???!!!

Like banging my ****ing head against a wall.

(snipped whining)

Like banging my ****ing head against a wall.

Having said that....I still stand by what I said earlier! I love the EVE backstory and lore. I want to be able to take a break from pewpew sometimes and go enjoy a storyline series of missions or more immersive exploration and make some money while I'm at it. I see that as much more a of a side activity now though.

Having said that....I still stand by what I said earlier! I love the EVE backstory and lore. I want to be able to take a break from pewpew sometimes and go enjoy a storyline series of missions or more immersive exploration and make some money while I'm at it. I see that as much more a of a side activity now though.