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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
324
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:22:00 -
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I was in fleet the other day and one of the fleet members was deaf. The FC asked for someone to relay commands, and I x'ed up. Fleet chat was busy with banter and noise so I opened a private chat specifically for the relayed voice and invited anyone in fleet to it.
As it was only myself and the person who needed the relay were there. This sort of surprised me because I often miss a voice command and have to go back and read through chat or look at the broadcasts to see what is going on. A dedicated relay channel would be awesome.
Anyway I typed all the voice commands and tried to relay some of the idle banter; little arguments and calls to clear comms, FC thinking out loud, and laughter that you sometimes hear.
I'm not a great typist or a good multi-tasker =-P We both died! But I had a good time and it was interesting to think about the game in a new way.
Are you unable to hear sounds in Evef? have you worked with a deaf person in game? What would you like to see and how can you best be incorporated into fleet? Do you have access to a talk to text program? or does that lag things up too much? Is it better if a dedicated relayer interprets fleet chat or would it be better if everything is broadcast using the fleet broadcast tool?
Anyway, thanks for your time and for anyone that has a handicap thanks for playing, it helps me to see the game in new and interesting ways. Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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baltec1
Bat Country
6152
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:24:00 -
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Only when jumping through a jump bridge. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
1519
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:27:00 -
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Considering how common the question "EVE has sound?" is, I'd say there are a lot of deaf players. In fact, they may be the majority. Sovereignty and Population Moulds and water for the sandbox. |

Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.04.29 12:58:00 -
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I remember flying with a guy that was a quadriplegic. I kid you not. I can't remember how we even got to the topic one day when we were flying but it completely blew me away.
He has a special system that he used his chin and something else to do all of the commands. He ended up linking us the systems he used. I was impressed that he was still able to go on roams and do so much despite what we think of as a disability really made me take a good hard look at people that complain about minor inconveniences in life.
I personally don't play with a lot of in-game sound. I'm usually too busy talking/listening on TS. Kudos to you my friend for taking the time to write to the guy and keep him updated on what the FC was saying.
+1 from me for a great story. |

Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
496
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:11:00 -
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To answer this seriously, Karab Gerlinger in Test is deaf, unfortunately he's not around that much anymore. He would just get most of his information for fleets in jabber, but then again he usually flew titans and could handle himself. |

Myobi Rush
The Ostrogoths Curatores Veritatis Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.04.29 13:28:00 -
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Yeah there is more deaf pilots in EVE, Three are in my corp, myself included. They PVP a lot more than I can (College keeps me busy) and they are pretty good at it. We've come across other deaf pilots in different corp/alliances but we don't know them personally. I recruited two deaf players from my college two months ago and they are still playing. So yeah there is more deaf pilots out there that I am not aware of.
Often we get lucky to get a nice person willing to relay for us, sometime it doesn't happen so we tend to avoid those fights because we often get left behind. A relay channel does help for us. Relaying the other stuff not related to the mission isn't an requirement but a nice bonus.
I personally can hear sounds above 80db so my earphone is cranked up high (Destroyed several headphones due to this... lol.) I can recognize sounds such as shield/armor getting low alarm, nearby explosion, guns firing, running footsteps, etc etc. Just that I can't understand spoken words.
I believe that you were one of my relay in one of the previous fight. I died in that fight but wasn't your fault. Got alpha'd inside a bubble. I would gladly fly with you again.
Thanks for being awesome and helping us deaf pilots out, it's appreciated! |

Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
334
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Posted - 2013.04.29 20:38:00 -
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Anytime Myobi, as I said it was fun and new way to see the game. Ask up anytime for a relay, I sometimes wait a bit any time a volunteer is asked for to see if someone else wants to =-P whether it be anchor or scout or whatever. But I enjoyed relaying commands and would happily do so again.
*Sometimes I drink too much beer and have trouble typing =-P I will let you know if that is the case! Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
463
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Posted - 2013.04.30 03:48:00 -
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I used to play with a girl that was a deaf/mute. I talked quite a bit with her cousin and he helped her out quite a bit since they often stayed in the same house. I have also talked to others who are deaf and run into the question on weather or not they will be able to do things like PVP. Some corps seem to be in a position where they will simply say no to someone who is deaf because it IS more difficult when you cant follow voice chat when there is a busy fleet and a lot of stuff going on, but honestly i think CCP has made many improvements that have made these things easier (the broadcast system as an example).
I dont know what else they could do to make it easier tho... Not many people have the patience to sit and write out commands like you did in the middle of a fleet, and even for those that do its so easy to mess it up somehow (especially when english is not your native language, or its an odd accent).
However im sure the broadcast system can be improved on to be even faster and easier to use, and have some more options (like a big "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!" button) but honestly i think the only people who can really answer what would make it easier are people who are deaf and have experiense being in fleets. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
159
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Posted - 2013.04.30 03:54:00 -
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Well Corey, you kinda answered your own question didnt you?
Provi has a few deaf members, that much I know.
Luckily we have many people who are helpfull enough to relay FC commands. :) |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
159
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Posted - 2013.04.30 03:59:00 -
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Myobi Rush wrote:Yeah there is more deaf pilots in EVE, Three are in my corp, myself included. They PVP a lot more than I can (College keeps me busy) and they are pretty good at it. We've come across other deaf pilots in different corp/alliances but we don't know them personally. I recruited two deaf players from my college two months ago and they are still playing. So yeah there is more deaf pilots out there that I am not aware of.
Often we get lucky to get a nice person willing to relay for us, sometime it doesn't happen so we tend to avoid those fights because we often get left behind. A relay channel does help for us. Relaying the other stuff not related to the mission isn't an requirement but a nice bonus.
I personally can hear sounds above 80db so my earphone is cranked up high (Destroyed several headphones due to this... lol.) I can recognize sounds such as shield/armor getting low alarm, nearby explosion, guns firing, running footsteps, etc etc. Just that I can't understand spoken words.
I believe that you were one of my relay in one of the previous fight. I died in that fight but wasn't your fault. Got alpha'd inside a bubble. I would gladly fly with you again.
Thanks for being awesome and helping us deaf pilots out, it's appreciated!
Seeing as we in CVA seem to have a handfull of deaf players, maybe we can somehow set up a channel with both deaf players and relaying volunteers to help organisation during fleets and to make sure you nearly always have someone competent relaying for you.
Might be a good thing to propose on our internal allied forums. |
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MrDiao
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:10:00 -
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I turned all eve sounds off the first day I subscribed my second account. |

ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1239
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:59:00 -
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MrDiao wrote:I turned all eve sounds off the first day I subscribed my second account. That's a little different to being deaf. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |

WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM WMWMWMWMWMWM
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.04.30 05:05:00 -
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There are deaf players out there. Unfortunately most of them just creep by using the "oh yeah i cant use voip sorry" with whatever reasons they can muster to make excuses. Most of the more ambitious corporations are really useless when it comes to a relay channel. The few times they tried, they did their best but they just weren't able to do it and eventually got tired of relaying it which only worsens the problem.
It's sad though, I'd play the game more if there were dedicated relayers. Anyways it's neat to see that CVA has some deaf pilots, but I don't think I'd be able to join CVA on my main (hence why I'm posting on this alt to prevent embarrassment) due to his... ahem... UK history.
But yeah, the corporations I have been in are totally useless when it comes to relay that I've just given up on them altogether. I once tried to make a "deaf only corporation" on a character called Nonexistent Face (he is not me, I sold him a long time ago) but it never became successful because... well it was just my two deaf irl friends and I ... no one else joined for nearly a year or something iirc. |

Layne Rockefeller
Evil .inc
1
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Posted - 2013.04.30 05:20:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:I was in fleet the other day and one of the fleet members was deaf. The FC asked for someone to relay commands, and I x'ed up. Fleet chat was busy with banter and noise so I opened a private chat specifically for the relayed voice and invited anyone in fleet to it.
As it was only myself and the person who needed the relay were there. This sort of surprised me because I often miss a voice command and have to go back and read through chat or look at the broadcasts to see what is going on. A dedicated relay channel would be awesome.
Anyway I typed all the voice commands and tried to relay some of the idle banter; little arguments and calls to clear comms, FC thinking out loud, and laughter that you sometimes hear.
I'm not a great typist or a good multi-tasker =-P We both died! But I had a good time and it was interesting to think about the game in a new way.
Are you unable to hear sounds in Evef? have you worked with a deaf person in game? What would you like to see and how can you best be incorporated into fleet? Do you have access to a talk to text program? or does that lag things up too much? Is it better if a dedicated relayer interprets fleet chat or would it be better if everything is broadcast using the fleet broadcast tool?
Anyway, thanks for your time and for anyone that has a handicap thanks for playing, it helps me to see the game in new and interesting ways.
huh? |

Le Badass
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
69
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Posted - 2013.04.30 05:48:00 -
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Not quite deaf yet, but I'm getting there.
The really good question is: Are there any blind players out there? |

SCLZ
New Eden Shipyards
1
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Posted - 2013.04.30 06:26:00 -
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I've met a few deaf folks in EVE though it would seem they'll be the same folks you'll encounter in your alliance :)
I've also tried my hand at relaying what was happening in comms back in the day with mixed success - I'm no expert in typing either and at times it's difficult to keep up. But I think anything is better than nothing, the thought of being on a roam and out in the dark with no comms scares me :P
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3348
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Posted - 2013.04.30 06:30:00 -
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What ?? |

Arronicus
Shadows of Vorlon The Marmite Collective
599
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Posted - 2013.04.30 07:05:00 -
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"Wat?" |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
963
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Posted - 2013.04.30 07:07:00 -
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Yes I've had a few deaf players in incursion fleets & welcome them. An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system'scrashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
433
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:15:00 -
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I havent had the experience of having any deaf pilots in my fleets but I've heard stories of people who PVP purely by type - and are damn good at it. Relaying spoken commands into (fleet) chat and broadcasts is a great idea to overcome this and it helps with larger fleets with many inexperienced pilots too.
Do any of the hearing impaired use any of the visual aids in PVP? I mean the number and letter tags you can place on targets. I've seen this used in PVE to prevent shooting triggers and nominate sniper targets. but I'd imagine it might be a usefull tool in PVP too. |
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
345
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Posted - 2013.04.30 11:24:00 -
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NightCrawler 85 wrote:I used to play with a girl that was a deaf/mute. I talked quite a bit with her cousin and he helped her out quite a bit since they often stayed in the same house. ...edited for space... I dont know what else they could do to make it easier tho... Not many people have the patience to sit and write out commands like you did in the middle of a fleet, and even for those that do its so easy to mess it up somehow (especially when english is not your native language, or its an odd accent).
However im sure the broadcast system can be improved on to be even faster and easier to use, and have some more options (like a big "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!" button) but honestly i think the only people who can really answer what would make it easier are people who are deaf and have experiense being in fleets.
Yeah I would love to see some more work done on the broadcast panel, it is a great part of the UI and really makes fleet actions a lot more coordinated, with or without voice.
I'm not sure how I would improve it actually! Maybe resizable/bigger buttons, hotkeys and a few more command options.
Slavery is self choosen, only the unclaimed are not free.
...Book of Reclaiming: Hall of the Goat
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Solaris Ecladia
High Flyers Unclaimed.
60
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Posted - 2013.04.30 12:45:00 -
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Pepper Solette wrote:I remember flying with a guy that was a quadriplegic. I kid you not. I can't remember how we even got to the topic one day when we were flying but it completely blew me away.
He has a special system that he used his chin and something else to do all of the commands. He ended up linking us the systems he used. I was impressed that he was still able to go on roams and do so much despite what we think of as a disability really made me take a good hard look at people that complain about minor inconveniences in life.
I personally don't play with a lot of in-game sound. I'm usually too busy talking/listening on TS. Kudos to you my friend for taking the time to write to the guy and keep him updated on what the FC was saying.
+1 from me for a great story. Ive flown with someone who was a quadriplegic as well. He had something that he would put on the tip of his nose and it would relay commands to the mouse. Suprisingly enough he was a logi pilot and did a good job at it. Actually havent played with a deaf person yet but have claimed to be one when my comms were dead or I couldnt be ****** with setting them up for a fleet. |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
166
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Posted - 2013.04.30 15:16:00 -
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WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWMWM WMWMWMWMWMWM wrote:There are deaf players out there. Unfortunately most of them just creep by using the "oh yeah i cant use voip sorry" with whatever reasons they can muster to make excuses. Most of the more ambitious corporations are really useless when it comes to a relay channel. The few times they tried, they did their best but they just weren't able to do it and eventually got tired of relaying it which only worsens the problem.
It's sad though, I'd play the game more if there were dedicated relayers. Anyways it's neat to see that CVA has some deaf pilots, but I don't think I'd be able to join CVA on my main (hence why I'm posting on this alt to prevent embarrassment) due to his... ahem... UK history.
But yeah, the corporations I have been in are totally useless when it comes to relay that I've just given up on them altogether. I once tried to make a "deaf only corporation" on a character called Nonexistent Face (he is not me, I sold him a long time ago) but it never became successful because... well it was just my two deaf irl friends and I ... no one else joined for nearly a year or something iirc.
EDIT: Hmm, it appears that my main is not actually KOS. It's just his (admittedly pirate-based) corporation that's KOS so I guess if I left I could apply...? I may get in touch with you dudes after all :)
While you are more than welcome to aply, I urge you to do so before going into provi as there is such a thing as *KOS based on last corp*
Meaning if your last non NPC corp was hostile, it is very likely you yourself will be hostile aswell, so I suggest you either join a non KOS corp first, or aply to a provi based alliance before actually entering provi. :) |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1552
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Posted - 2013.04.30 15:20:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Considering how common the question "EVE has sound?" is, I'd say there are a lot of deaf players. In fact, they may be the majority. Also, considering the way FC's get ignored in Comms, I'd say a substantial deaf player community is confirmed. Or is that substantially deaf?  Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

Caisman
Smoking Hillbillys The Volition Cult
5
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Posted - 2013.05.02 13:03:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote: Yeah I would love to see some more work done on the broadcast panel, it is a great part of the UI and really makes fleet actions a lot more coordinated, with or without voice.
I'm not sure how I would improve it actually! Maybe resizable/bigger buttons, hotkeys and a few more command options.
A broadcast for 'HOLD ON THE ******* GATE' would be proper handy. Needs to be in CAPS though. CTRL+SPACE, just in case.
http://caismanseve.blogspot.co.uk |

Brockren
The MentalWard Silent Infinity
2
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:12:00 -
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Having played with a couple deaf players in the past and being a slow typist myself I decided to find a solution to making communication relay a bit faster and easier.
I decided to make use of my G13 Gamepad which is great for FPS games and such, but useless in EVE.
I made a list of quick text blurbs on each hot key so i could just hit a key when im in the right window. Use this with marking targets with broadcasts and you can actually get alot of good info across really quickly.
Fleet Hold on Gate (regardless of verbage ;p ) Fleet engage target 1 Logi repair target 3 etc are all possible
With so many different keyboards with special hotkey for macros and such I could see a lot of folks trying to work with deaf players making use of what they already have.
Just a thought.
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Acac Sunflyier
FLA5HY RED
579
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Posted - 2013.05.02 18:17:00 -
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There are actually. I know one and she's a pretty cool ******* person. CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |

Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
390
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:26:00 -
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We have been bouncing around some ideas about how to make our fleets more deaf friendly. Having at least a dedicated broadcaster seems like a good start, and getting a person volunteer to type the important verbal commands in fleet have been two ideas we are implementing.
To get some more ideas I sent a quick form letter to a few deaf advocacy organizations:
[shadow] {"Hello I play game called Eve online, it is an online game with 500,000 subscribers that has been around for 10 years. Sound is not critical except for voice communications between players. And there is an easy to use broadcast system that allows most voice commands to be relayed and displayed visually.
It came up recently on our forums that Eve has a pretty significant deaf player base because it is one of the few MMOGÇÖs that is not sound dependant. We have been bouncing around some ideas about how to make the game more deaf friendly, and so I wanted to contact someone that might have some more insights.
Thank you for your time.
Corey T. Morine
Sent to : Baltimore association for the deaf World federation of the deaf NAD"} [/shadow]
Be interesting to see what they send back.
Any ideas for how to encourage players to volunteer as a relayer? It does take some concentration and is something that should be rewarded. I was thinking maybe having a monthly or weekly loto for anyone that participated. I would like to get some more ideas and maybe work on implementing one or two of them. So any feedback is welcome.
Maybe we can get Eve to be certified "Deaf friendly" I think that would be the first time such a thing happened. =-) The weight of strange. RL religeous warning, do not watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Mv2MWv0k0 |

Viperion
NorCorp Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:47:00 -
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Hi
I'm happy to hear that, there is dozen deaf player around
well, I am hearing impaired, so i can hear and listen to some degrees. say TS.. I get about 60-70 % what they saying. But then i have to listen intently to get all, sometime i ask them to reply in more clear answer.
So, I find it fantastic, there are some players who are willing to help deaf players in pvp and fleet related matches.
Go for it! :D |

Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
356
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Posted - 2013.05.06 12:47:00 -
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TEST has a few deaf players. Most of them get by by haveing somebody relay commands in private convo. It's not optimal, but we do try to include them in fleets. |
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