I think the PVE in EVE is basically ok (I do null sec exploration, low sec PVE except FW, and high sec exploration and incursions), people who keep screaming for pve "iteration" are just people who are easily bored and should probably be playing a more PVE oriented game to begin with.

Everyone in eve should be considered a solo player, from one man corps to big alliance bosses, after all its all personal ego....

Simply put, the meta games and the lack of trust it engenders along with the multiple accounts its evident we are all out just for our selves.

Huge scams, corp rip offs, disbanding BoB, all solo players that kicked the others.

People who argue for PVE being left in the dust while literally everything else receives extensive iteration are just reactionaries who reject diversity.

That's just paranoid BS (the paranoid part is ignoring all the great recent PVE changes while concntrating attention on the few changes that have affected pvp).

PVE gets iterated on all the time (incursion nerf/ buff, null sec anom buffs/nerfs, the mission ui overhaul last year, the major NPC AI change that happened a few months ago etc etc etc). Hell, the next expansion will include major changes or additions to key parts of PVE (anomaly rebalance, scanning changes, ice anoms, major mag/radar overhaul).

WTf are you talking about anyway?

EVE PVE is fine, hell its better than it was 2 years ago. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's broken.

It's not broken. It's just old and tired. There are two kinds of iteration, maintenance and new stuff. Everything up to now since Apocrypha, other than Incursions, has been maintenance. That's important and those changes have been great. Odyssey is clearly going to add some new content to exploration. Hopefully it's more than just the model of the ancient colony ships they showed at Fanfest. If they think just that plus pinata mechanics is going to instill " a sense of wonder" in us they've got another thing coming.

You're wrong. EVE PVE is not fine. Anything in an MMORPG that has only received maintenance but precious little new stuff for this many years is far from just fine.

EvE Online is an old school sandbox mmo-rpg game, not a kindergarten themepark game. In EvE, players are the content. It makes no sense to spend CCP precious time making worthless themepark stuff.

What CCP should do is constantly iterate and improve the existing systems (like in the last 3 expansions) and intruduce new sandbox features (Odyssey).

It's not so much the solo gameplay that people dislike, it's the mindset that people generally get from playing solo. I do a lot of solo activities in game as my time permits, but I also involve myself in the community. I would say that the vast majority of solo players are the miners and industrialists out there and they tend to complain about being killed by gankers and use the 'highsec should be safe argument'.

The other major thing is that they feel solo players don't bring any emergent gameplay to the sandbox, so they don't contribute anything to the game.

That and some people just like to hate on other peoples gameplay styles just because it isn't their own.

I'll have to admit. My main money maker is in an NPC corp. I sometimes interact with people, but always at arms length... With a 10 foot pole.

I suppose saying this will make someone invariably mad as they claim that NPC corps are the bane of EVE's existence.

I suppose I could join someone else's corp but then I would have to deal with corp taxes, asshatery, wardec's, and awoxing.

I suppose then you could cry and whine on the forums til the dev's forced everyone out of NPC corps, but then I'd just start a one man corp and disband every time someone war dec's me.

Sometimes putting up with other people is too much work.

Go nuts, nobody actually cares what you DO; we just care when you cry on the forums as the box you put yourself in gets smaller and smaller.

No matter how many times you say it Varius, it keeps on being true (truth does that lol) .

I jsut sometimes feel sorry for people, namely the people who somehow need to think "it's all about me". It drives me a little crazy when someone pulls out that "you must want me to play differently" BS. I mean seriously, what does that say about a person that they could actually feel that way?

I don't know. I've seen a lot of mad players demand that NPC corps be nerfed. I don't care either way. I'm only one step away from running everything in a one man corp. But many of you seem like you want me to join an alliance and kowtow to the powers that be. Its as if there is a group of players are just incensed at the fact player plays solo.

As long as you say "I don't care about NPC corps and solo players" then we're all cool. Its just that I have seen the opposite on many occasions. As long as playing solo is viable, I'll keep playing. Who knows, I might have a seperate account with a SA forum account just waiting for the 3 months so I can get in.

That doesn't mean we don't support changes that hamper your playstyle.

So to borrow from my sig... So you hate the way I play and it makes you cry like a baby?

I suppose I should enjoy your tears while it lasts.

No, it means precisely the opposite. Play however you want, I could not care less.

The fact that a change benefits or hinders you means nothing to me.

Nope. I begrudge no player who plays the game within the eula and tos.

That doesn't mean we don't support changes that hamper your playstyle.

It's not the same. People respond to the rules and incentives they are faced with, and as long as they're playing within the rules of the game, how they respond to those rules and incetives is totally up to them. That doesn't mean that the rules and incentives with which we all are faced, including myself, cannot be improved from my perspective. If my perspective comes at the cost of how someone else chooses to respond, too bad for them. I still care as little about how they play as I did before, which is nothing.

Unless you have something new to add this is my last response, as I feel I've made myself more than clear.

I'm not sure how a person who doesn't care how others play can even have an opinion on game changes. Having an opinion on changes to how people interact evidences an opinion on various types of interaction or lack thereof. You may not care how an individual plays persay, but you would have to find a certain interaction or means of avoiding it undesirable, thus you clearly do have some concern regarding our activities collectively.

I don't know. I've seen a lot of mad players demand that NPC corps be nerfed. I don't care either way. I'm only one step away from running everything in a one man corp. But many of you seem like you want me to join an alliance and kowtow to the powers that be. Its as if there is a group of players are just incensed at the fact player plays solo.

As long as you say "I don't care about NPC corps and solo players" then we're all cool. Its just that I have seen the opposite on many occasions. As long as playing solo is viable, I'll keep playing. Who knows, I might have a seperate account with a SA forum account just waiting for the 3 months so I can get in.

I'm not sure how a person who doesn't care how others play can even have an opinion on game changes.