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Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:00:00 -
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So, apparently a big majority of the 20% that got fired from CCP are the community devs. Well known names are Zymurgist and Fallout.
The CEO (or whoever) of this company decides do ruin the game's development, because money is more important than satisfied customers/developers and also better than a good, playable game.
After he realizes he ran into a wall with his head in front, he decides to fire the employees who had to deal with the shitstorm caused by the outraged community.
Usually after things like this it's the CEO going, not the employees who have nothing at all to do with this whole thing. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
587
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:04:00 -
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Let the community vote!
Bottom 20% gets to go.
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Alara IonStorm
Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:05:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote:Well known names are Zymurgist and Fallout.
Really? =(
That Sucks.
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:05:00 -
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actually it's never the ceo who gets fired |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:05:00 -
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you see, the CEO is the guy writing up the list |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
43
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:06:00 -
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Funny How a lot of people called this or something similar to this happening when the LOAN they owe money on came due in OCT.
I think this is a Stick a Fork in it CCP is dead moment. And incarna was clearly a SWG moment for eve. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:06:00 -
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citation needed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Citation_needed
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Abrazzar
205
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:06:00 -
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Can't fire the dudes that own the thing. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
1019
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:08:00 -
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posting skills needed
http://netforbeginners.about.com/
i'm sure there's an article on "stupid posts to avoid making" with a picture of your post |
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:08:00 -
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Source ? |
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Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
28
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:09:00 -
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http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?4155-ccp-focusing-on-the-eve-universe-a-ccp-announcement&p=248808&viewfull=1#post248808
If you read through the thread you'll see that Fallout has released a good-bye letter already. |
Cyprus Black
82nd Assault Fleet
44
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:13:00 -
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Firing good people while the sh*tbags who initially caused these problems remain?
Seems like things are just getting worse and worse from here. My confidence in CCP will drop significantly if it's true Zymurgist and Fallout were let go.
I am neither fanboy nor flamer. I am logic, dispassionate and cruel. |
Darth A30NZ
Society Of New Eden Studies Violent Society
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:13:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Amsterdam Conversations wrote:Well known names are Zymurgist and Fallout.
Really? =( That Sucks.
Please say it isn't so. Tis a sad day in New Eden gents. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
82
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:15:00 -
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I too thought that CCP management had finally grown a brain, but to fire the two people that actually tried to work with us during monoclegate, shows that maybe my faith was misguided...
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:15:00 -
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Wow, this sucks, this sucks alot.
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Sarah Nalelmir
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:16:00 -
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http://www.neowin.net/news/eve-online-developer-ccp-announces-mass-layoffs
I hope this will give EVE / CCP a chance to re-think its priorities and what made CCP / EVE great. Ive only been playing 2 weeks so dont know much about EVE's 8 year history but CCP should stick to what makes EVE best and not get caught up in the typical MMO need to sell fluff. If you have a great product it will stand the test of time and people will want to play the game for what it is and not the stupid typical MMO crap.
CCP admits they lost track and are trying to put things right so lets give them a chance. Its only been 2 weeks but EVE has the best community out there that have been very welcoming. Lets continue to provide positive feedback and help shape this game you all know and love, and for those of us just beginning the journey ! |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
297
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:16:00 -
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I give you a hint... it starts with k.
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stoicfaux
294
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:17:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote: After he realizes he ran into a wall with his head in front, he decides to fire the employees who had to deal with the shitstorm caused by the outraged community.
Usually after things like this it's the CEO going, not the employees who have nothing at all to do with this whole thing.
So either hire a CEO who never makes a mistake and can predict the future in order to make perfect decisions today, or fire the CEO and quickly find a new CEO that know something about Eve and the MMO market. Or keep the devil you know and let him use his new found wisdom to develop the strategy needed to keep the rest of the company afloat and moving.
Let's be honest here. CCP was trying to be proactive instead of sitting on their laurels. They were * trying to implement the Eve vision of an Eve that encompasses all MMO aspects from spaceships to the economy to avatars to FPS and so on, * trying to pre-position themselves to handle the changing MMO market scene (aka microtransactions,) especially since Eve still charges a premium monthly rate in a competitive market full of free2play, freemium, etc., MMOs, * trying to expand the company by branching out with WoD in order to avoid being completely reliant on a very old, very niche MMO in a very crowded MMO market.
You have to give CCP's management some props for trying to take the road less traveled.
Even so, I do believe Someone(Gäó) should still be beaten with a wet noodle over the "macro-transaction" NeX store strategy.
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
43
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:18:00 -
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http://www.ggsgamer.com/2011/10/19/ccp-fires-staff-focuses-on-eve/
So CCP ignores eve for 2 years. The core Product paying the bills. Many people pointed out how this was a mistake.
Many many trolls said that the people bringing up the issues just didnt get it. ETC.
Incarceration hit and years of backlogged rage exploded. It was the final straw for MANY. Made it impossible for many to even play, others lost computers to graphics card meltdowns thanks to poor coding.
NGE all the way confirmed now.
Pulling back on WOD is prob the wrong move as it might have been the thing you had to get out to save your but in the long run. This is a short run solution is another bad decision.
And they fire the people they need to rebuild respect of the consumer. BRILLIANT (sarcasms if you miss it)
Hilmar needs to step down as of yesterday.
Well, CCP
So long and thanks for all the fish. |
Jim Pooley
The Jeremy Kyle Holding Pen
7
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:28:00 -
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I don't wish it on anyone, but if I had to choose, I would fire Navigator. The man is so up his own arse and arrogant he probably never sees sunlight.
Yes Pete, I have still got the email you sent me accusing me of being racist. Just biding my time for revenge you **** |
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Barakkus
851
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:31:00 -
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Wait they fired Zymurgist? No more random birthday wishes for Zym :( |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:32:00 -
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CCP just fired the entire community team in order to refocus on eve?
Are you guys insane? |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
287
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:33:00 -
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Let's hope they at least fired that NEX store douche. I forget his name. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:33:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote:
thanks.
If true and i am not saying it isnt, its really sad. Lets get plenty of friends with at least one year sub into EVE to revert the situation.
I am out of friends but someone could have quite a list.
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:33:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:actually it's never the ceo who gets fired
They do but you never hear it that way. It's usually 'moving onto new things' and I can think of one ceo in the gaming industry who did that within the last few years. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
651
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:35:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote:So, apparently a big majority of the 20% that got fired from CCP are the community devs. Well known names are Zymurgist and Fallout.
The CEO (or whoever) of this company decides do ruin the game's development, because money is more important than satisfied customers/developers and also better than a good, playable game.
After he realizes he ran into a wall with his head in front, he decides to fire the employees who had to deal with the shitstorm caused by the outraged community.
Usually after things like this it's the CEO going, not the employees who have nothing at all to do with this whole thing.
They were fired for not properly communicating the :awesome: Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
17
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:35:00 -
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It's my guess that due to how CCP tends to do stuff, "all in one go", both WOD and EVE were forever waiting on each other to get stuff done due to similar technologies. Party A needs info/stuff from party B, who is waiting on other thing to happen from another section of party B, which itself is waiting on something from... party A. It's a grid lock that can't be solved as long as focus is on both products equally resulting in nothing actually happening.
Thing is that this isn't only between EVE and WOD but also within EVE itself, that's why things never really actually happen and is almost always half arsed. The only way to solve that is to pick a favourite in order to break the impasse, I guess that's what CCP are doing atm.
Whether or not firing community DEVS over this, the ones who have been taking the brunt of our anger, while others who actually created the problem are still employed is probably very much about office politics, sadly. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
43
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:36:00 -
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CCP blew its foot off.
Then it decided it might as well blow its other foot off to make sure.
I really want to know what idiot is making these decisions in their company.
With the feelings of people around the world being focused on issues of being brought up by the Occupy crowd around the world this is freaking straight out moronic.
Its just going to cheese off more people. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
287
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:37:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:CCP blew its foot off.
Then it decided it might as well blow its other foot off to make sure.
I really want to know what idiot is making these decisions in their company.
Well, it probably starts with Hil and ends with mar. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
560
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:37:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Let's hope they at least fired that NEX store douche. I forget his name.
this.
($1000 pants man clearly doesn't need to draw a salary over hardworking ordinary people)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
187
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:41:00 -
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Zymurgist and Fallout. Wow.
I'm really looking forwards to Guild Wars 2 now. CCP is become the disappoint. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
88
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:43:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:Zymurgist and Fallout. Wow.
I'm really looking forwards to Guild Wars 2 now. CCP is become the disappoint.
hammerhead too aparently
and wrangler.
those two are really old timers btw.
as in "I remember seeing them posting back in 2004" old timers. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
43
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:45:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Let's hope they at least fired that NEX store douche. I forget his name. this. ($1000 pants man clearly doesn't need to draw a salary over hardworking ordinary people)
So is this enough of a reason for the people that said they would wait and see what CCP does before unsubbing.
You wishy washy guys still going to ride the fence on this?
I Say Unsub till hilmar is gone. And anyone related to nex store. |
Cyprus Black
82nd Assault Fleet
44
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:46:00 -
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They fired the few devs that the playebase likes. WTF were they thinking?
I'm so disgusted by CCPs behavior as of late. I'm truly at a loss for words at how despicable this is. What more can one do than unsub? My account runs out on the 7th. Unless CCP performs some miracle that makes everything right again (which I highly doubt due to this new piece of fail) I won't be coming back.
I am neither fanboy nor flamer. I am logic, dispassionate and cruel. |
stoicfaux
296
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:49:00 -
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Amsterdam Conversations wrote:
Blech. Here's a direct link: http://www.almaroc.com/?p=1896
Depressing.
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:51:00 -
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One can do this! (Edit: Damn you Cyprus, Ninja edit too fast!)
To the 20% that, well, got the boot.
Thank you for your contribution to EVE Online, big and small.
And I wish you the very best in your future endeavors.
There is only one way to look. Forward!
(come on community, let us show them that we care about them, even if we don't )
And I apologize for any gramatical errors. |
Peter VonThal
Raygun Technologies
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:54:00 -
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CCP fires the only people that the player base feels even listen to them or have the slightest bit of rapport with. I thought CCP was headed in the right direction these last few weeks, though I'm sad to see anyone have to get fired these days. But the list of people on certain websites that have (allegedly) been sacked so far (and not just those in the community team).... wow... I guess CCP just still doesn't "get it." |
Barakkus
851
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:56:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:They fired the few devs that the playebase likes. WTF were they thinking? I'm so disgusted by CCPs behavior as of late. I'm truly at a loss for words at how despicable this is. What more can one do to get through CCPs thick skulls? This is an official "Call To Unsub" proclamation. Obviously Hilmar was just blowing smoke up our asses with his "apology" and promise to make things right again. This is quite possibly the worst thing to do when trying to make things right. CCP still doesn't get it. If they're determined to continue with business as usual, lets take that business away. Lets show them that this deplorable behavior will not be tolerated in the gaming universe. Here's the link to the account page: https://secure.eveonline.com/Do the right thing. Unsub your account(s).
Do us a favor and stop posting. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
43
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:57:00 -
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Peter VonThal wrote:CCP fires the only people that the player base feels even listen to them or have the slightest bit of rapport with. I thought CCP was headed in the right direction these last few weeks, though I'm sad to see anyone have to get fired these days. But the list of people on certain websites that have (allegedly) been sacked so far.... wow... I guess CCP just still doesn't "get it."
This is why im besides myself about this.
Its just so insane a dumb a decision that I just left with RAGE at CCP now.
This is MADNESS and its not even Sparta. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2011.10.19 19:59:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:They fired the few devs that the playebase likes. WTF were they thinking? I'm so disgusted by CCPs behavior as of late. I'm truly at a loss for words at how despicable this is. What more can one do to get through CCPs thick skulls? This is an official "Call To Unsub" proclamation. Obviously Hilmar was just blowing smoke up our asses with his "apology" and promise to make things right again. This is quite possibly the worst thing to do when trying to make things right. CCP still doesn't get it. If they're determined to continue with business as usual, lets take that business away. Lets show them that this deplorable behavior will not be tolerated in the gaming universe. Here's the link to the account page: https://secure.eveonline.com/Do the right thing. Unsub your account(s). Do us a favor and stop posting.
Response to the Cyprus Black initiation.
Do the right thing re-sub and get more people to EVE so CCP will be more confident about their future profits and retract those personnel changes.
That is probably logical way to achieve something positive about cutting off people jobs. |
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Barakkus
851
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:01:00 -
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Btw, the community people are always the first to get the axe, it's very unfortunate, but that's the way it usually goes.
I hope all of them get work VERY soon. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
43
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:02:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Barakkus wrote:Cyprus Black wrote:They fired the few devs that the playebase likes. WTF were they thinking? I'm so disgusted by CCPs behavior as of late. I'm truly at a loss for words at how despicable this is. What more can one do to get through CCPs thick skulls? This is an official "Call To Unsub" proclamation. Obviously Hilmar was just blowing smoke up our asses with his "apology" and promise to make things right again. This is quite possibly the worst thing to do when trying to make things right. CCP still doesn't get it. If they're determined to continue with business as usual, lets take that business away. Lets show them that this deplorable behavior will not be tolerated in the gaming universe. Here's the link to the account page: https://secure.eveonline.com/Do the right thing. Unsub your account(s). Do us a favor and stop posting. Response to the Cyprus Black initiation. Do the right thing re-sub and get more people to EVE so CCP will be more confident about their future profits and retract those personnel changes. That is probably logical way to achieve something positive about cutting off people jobs.
Thats not how it works. You dont reward bad people.
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adopt
We Need A Home
64
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:04:00 -
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OP Fuck off and die please. The community team is quite frankly the best team in CCP, they understand the plight of the players, they communicate with us.
We will no longer have random events in trade hubs I will not have another opportunty to Suicide gank CCP Zymurgist again.
If you feel they deserve it, go play another game you pathetic waste of oxygen. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:06:00 -
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adopt wrote:OP Fu ck off and die please. The community team is quite frankly the best team in CCP, they understand the plight of the players, they communicate with us. We will no longer have random events in trade hubs I will not have another opportunty to Suicide gank CCP Zymurgist again. If you feel they deserve it, go play another game you pathetic waste of oxygen.
The op was in fact, being sarcastic. Read his post... |
NTRabbit
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:09:00 -
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Wrangler has been around EVE longer than I have.
This is... disappointing. Most disappointing.
Good time to offload the entire community team though, what with the community calm and placid, nothing going on. |
Reverand Pastor
Dynasty Ink.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:12:00 -
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anyone that has posted anything anywhere have had interactions with these people. To many they were the "face" of the company since everyone else were pretending eve wasnt a trainwreck. Blaster, Rockets, Supercaps, Null sec, Low sec, Faction Warfare, Mining, Industry. and many other issues that drove people away I hope will be addressed SWIFTLY. I would trade in your transparent blogs for immediate results anyday. Im sure im not the only one that feels my time, energy,and money over the last few years is on the verge of being for nothing. These are hard times for everyone but one thing we could count on was Eve, sadly that doesnt seem to be the case anymore. |
Abrazzar
206
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:13:00 -
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Hurr no! We're out of touch with the community! Durr, no! Fire the community team!
I'm starting to picture CCP management as a pile of pugs. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Cherry Nobyl
Shadow Strike Syndicate
16
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:14:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Peter VonThal wrote:CCP fires the only people that the player base feels even listen to them or have the slightest bit of rapport with. I thought CCP was headed in the right direction these last few weeks, though I'm sad to see anyone have to get fired these days. But the list of people on certain websites that have (allegedly) been sacked so far.... wow... I guess CCP just still doesn't "get it." This is why im besides myself about this. Its just so insane a dumb a decision that I just left with RAGE at CCP now. This is MADNESS and its not even Sparta.
there's 2 sides to the nickel here.
1- lower overhead and focus on core design and implementation.
2- lose communication and simply release product via standard channel and patch note process which can be 'done' by the intern.
given the language in CCP Swollen Head's apology letter and prior, we can see that communication as dictated by Head was never really communication. it was standard press release format with little or no discussion. i find it likely that internally Head saw some of the community team as being the bad guys, as they were the one's bringing together and forwarding status reports on community states within the forums and outside the forums (your community is bigger than one board, you research all of it).
with the focus on 'improved communications' being a priority within the refocusing of eve it simply stands as a 'we watch what you do, not what you say' moment. here we see you do this, and it's not a positive step.
/something smells in the left turn to albuquerque as a certain rabbit might comment.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
298
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:15:00 -
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When you take 1 guy out of every 5 guys, you can not pick "only" the ones who no one will never miss.
What comes to selection procedure and reasoning... We may not agree, but honestly - who can say they posses enough information to make this kind of difficult decisions better than people who work in the actual company.
This is sad day for many, blame games or finger pointing will not change that. When people are laid off, people who we know and like will vanish. That is what cutbacks are about. They are not pretty.
When people get laid off, they easily start to blame themselves, even in situations like this, they are just victims of some bad corporate decisions and global recession. Showing support to the people who are leaving and thanking them about past years is something they surely appreciate.
This is not end of world for anyone. There is always tomorrow. It may be better than this day, even today it can be hard to imagine.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
115
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:15:00 -
[50] - Quote
What the hell? Zymurgist and Fallout? That doesn't make sense... they released a dev bog about how they are firing 20% of the workforce to focus on eve and dust for now... This makes the playerbase happy.
And then they fire what are basically eve celebrities, in the same stroke? Thus making the community angry? Maybe we don't have the whole story, maybe those 2 quit. I can't believe anyone is that dumb.
edit: wait Wrangler too? ok fallout and zym i can almost take... but Wrangler? **** OFF CCP. I joined back in 2007 and he was there helping me on day one. This is BS. |
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Khira Kitamatsu
224
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote: I can't believe anyone is that dumb.
Nobody said the guy running CCP was smart. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:21:00 -
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I just think its insane that they are cutting WOD development instead of scrapping the **** storm that is DUST 514. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
58
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:24:00 -
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CCP admits it has a "lack of communication" problem.
CCP fires the only staff that do communicate.
O
K
C.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
212
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:25:00 -
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Yeah, this is ridiculous.
CCP made a commitment to more open communication, and deeper involvement with player feedback, and more forum activity to respond to players.
Zymurgist and Fallout were great assets to the playerbase, and did a great job of keeping us informed with as much as they were allowed to share with us.
I cannot fathom how firing the people that deal with the EvE community can be good for the company when this whole crisis stems from not being in touch with the community.
CCP management, this was an 3PIC fail. We still applaud the work being done for Winter Expansion, but this was all about COMMUNITY in the first place. And the two people the community relied on the most, and were connected to the most, are now gone.
Who will take their place??
Who is the new voice of EvE to the playerbase?
What will be done to ensure the community is taken care of, if you've done away with the two primary people dealing with the community??
I dont expect we'll get explanations for every internal company action, but we'd all love to know where this is going.
What a depressing turn of events. I just can't imagine how this fits in with "Lets focus on EvE now".
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Kengutsi Akira
55
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:27:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Let the community vote! Bottom 20% gets to go.
Id say fire the guys that started it and continued it after hitting the wall head first, as though they could continue straight through it by sheer force of will, nevermind the blood and cracked skull bits.
We need new leaders not getting rid of the guys whose job was to follow the leader's broken directives What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
44
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:28:00 -
[56] - Quote
When in desperate need of good communications they fired the only people we felt were doing communication with us.
Really CCP....REALLY! |
Velicitia
Open Designs
17
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:30:00 -
[57] - Quote
OK, take a deep breath and calm down everyone...
better now?
great!
NOW grab your favourite ship, head to Jita and start shooting that statue again. |
Kengutsi Akira
56
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:30:00 -
[58] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Thats not how it works. You dont reward bad people.
Ya those guys at AGI and the other billion dollar bail out firms got so NOT rewarded by their bad behavior.... Hilmar's spanking must have just been horrible. He was after all the one with the "lets see what they do an not what they say" attitude after all.
Actually, it looks like as far as management types go it should be said you dont reward the hard working ppl that do what theyre told.
What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Kengutsi Akira
56
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:34:00 -
[59] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Who will take their place??
Goonsquad
Quote: Who is the new voice of EvE to the playerbase?
CCP Mittani
What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
46
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:34:00 -
[60] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:OK, take a deep breath and calm down everyone... better now? great! NOW grab your favourite ship, head to Jita and start shooting that statue again.
JItas navy will shoot me. |
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Ummmm
StarTech Systems
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:36:00 -
[61] - Quote
CCP Please DONT Fire Zymurgist and Fallout, Fire CCP Soundwave because he's a DOUCHEBAG. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:37:00 -
[62] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Who will take their place??
Goonsquad Quote: Who is the new voice of EvE to the playerbase?
CCP Mittani Confirmed that Goons are taking over community relations. Trust us...everything will be okay.
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Janos Saal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:37:00 -
[63] - Quote
Hilmar; you're a god damned moron. EVE is dead |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
60
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:37:00 -
[64] - Quote
I think its safe to say that those monocles didn't deliver the 20% increase in profits CCP wanted.
No prizes for guessing where that 20% of cash is now coming from.
C. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:40:00 -
[65] - Quote
Amsterdam Conversations wrote:So, apparently a big majority of the 20% that got fired from CCP are the community devs. Well known names are Zymurgist and Fallout.
The CEO (or whoever) of this company decides do ruin the game's development, because money is more important than satisfied customers/developers and also better than a good, playable game.
After he realizes he ran into a wall with his head in front, he decides to fire the employees who had to deal with the shitstorm caused by the outraged community.
Usually after things like this it's the CEO going, not the employees who have nothing at all to do with this whole thing.
It's Hilmar's ******* game. He's majority share holder. He does what he wants.
Stop ******* bitching about people getting fired (yes it sucks that good people got the axe but they needed the money or the game goes kaput), and be happy he's focusing the game on spaceships again.
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Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
115
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:42:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP will continue firing one popular employee per month until subscription growth resumes.
Now it's your turn. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
46
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:43:00 -
[67] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote: It's Hilmar's ******* game. He's majority share holder. He does what he wants.
And he woke up at some point a few years back and decided, DRIVING IT INTO THE GROUND. Was the direction he wanted.
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Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:44:00 -
[68] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Btw, the community people are always the first to get the axe, it's very unfortunate, but that's the way it usually goes.
I hope all of them get work VERY soon. That is sadly true. If CCP wants to focus on development and at the same time needing to lay off people, getting rid of the community team would be the first step. They don't work on the code and overall speaking does hardly anything when it comes to development. Their area lies elsewhere which CCP apperently has no need for right now. Can always hope that with the winter expansion that people will return and Fallout and the rest might get re-hired or someone just as suitable. |
Lord Ryan
Derailleurs
58
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:45:00 -
[69] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:actually it's never the ceo who gets fired
No they usually "retire/resign" with a big severance package. -á
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Killgor
The Collective White Noise.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:46:00 -
[70] - Quote
Listen, in this economy, it's not surprising at all to have this sort of a "mass" layoff. And I think 20% would count as "mass". There have been plenty of much better companies than CCP in the last 36mo that have done similar layoffs. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
46
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:48:00 -
[71] - Quote
Jashmyne wrote:[quote=Barakkus] Their area lies elsewhere which CCP apperently has no need for right now.
NO they are exactly what CCP needed right now. They just fired the very people they needed to help fix their epic Helmar blunders.
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SilentSkills
Estrale Frontiers
6
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:48:00 -
[72] - Quote
Fallout and Z cant go CCP |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:48:00 -
[73] - Quote
Killgor wrote:Listen, in this economy, it's not surprising at all to have this sort of a "mass" layoff. And I think 20% would count as "mass". There have been plenty of much better companies than CCP in the last 36mo that have done similar layoffs.
but the game is doing well. it said so in the blog "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
stoicfaux
302
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:49:00 -
[74] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:What the hell? Zymurgist and Fallout? That doesn't make sense... they released a dev bog about how they are firing 20% of the workforce to focus on eve and dust for now... This makes the playerbase happy.
And then they fire what are basically eve celebrities, in the same stroke? Thus making the community angry? Maybe we don't have the whole story, maybe those 2 quit. I can't believe anyone is that dumb.
Yes, but as Grey Stormshadow pointed out, if you have to lay off Twenty Freaking Percent of your workforce, it's just not going to be pretty. For all we know, CCP cut the community managers to save dev resources.
Also, the cynical contrarian in me thinks that most of the player base has a "actions speak louder than words" attitude, in which case why would CCP need PR guys?
However, I do agree that charismatic and respected PR/community reps can make subs sticky, and I too, was surprised by the loss of Zymurgist and Fallout until I realized that this is Eve, and charisma is the least useful attribute. (...and now we all know why I don't do comedy for a living.)
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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Hentes Zsemle
EVE Corporation 21123151
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:50:00 -
[75] - Quote
Im probably just going to be punching in the air, but the stupidity of the recent threads and posts really annoy me and i am bored, so here it is:
You have absolutely no idea if the people got fired deserved it, from a business standpoint, as you do not take part in said business whatsoever. You've only seen some employess writing stuff. You have no idea what they are doing in 99% of their time.
And firing the managers, thoose employes probably have been invonved in making dollar millions for CCP, and now they managed to lose a tiny little part of it with a few bad decisions. You don't just fire someone couse he/she made a mistake after years of moneymaking for the company. Such things only happen in movies. And probably said managers took a large part in this refocusing aswell.
Same thing goes for Hilmar. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
12
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:56:00 -
[76] - Quote
Next up... CCP terminates Chribba's account. Your stuff goes here. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:58:00 -
[77] - Quote
Palovana wrote:Next up... CCP terminates Chribba's account.
How does this even make sense. |
Kengutsi Akira
58
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:59:00 -
[78] - Quote
Dunno, this cutting 20% of the entire company somehow doesnt jive with the assurances of how well the game is doing to me What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
40
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:00:00 -
[79] - Quote
hopefully, this price will not be forgotten. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
46
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:01:00 -
[80] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Palovana wrote:Next up... CCP terminates Chribba's account. How does this even make sense.
Its CCP logic.
Why would it make sense. |
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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
12
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:04:00 -
[81] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Palovana wrote:Next up... CCP terminates Chribba's account. How does this even make sense. Because it seems like they continue to do stuff that pisses off the community, and Chribba is a rather popular public figure within the community from what I've heard. Not that I've ever had any interaction with him in- or out-of-game. Your stuff goes here. |
Psychophantic
77
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:12:00 -
[82] - Quote
The unsub protest worked apparently. Hit em where it hurts wasn't it?
Now you're going to unsub in protest over these firings and a few more will get the axe. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
49
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:14:00 -
[83] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:The unsub protest worked apparently. Hit em where it hurts wasn't it?
Now you're going to unsub in protest over these firings and a few more will get the axe.
Not over the layoffs themselves. But over the methodology of who and what was cut and laid off.
And why hilmar still has his job.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
49
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:14:00 -
[84] - Quote
Never had double posts before new forums. |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
5
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:21:00 -
[85] - Quote
Amsterdam Conversations wrote:So, apparently a big majority of the 20% that got fired from CCP are the community devs.
Unfortunate for those losing their job, but on the other hand its not necessarily a bad thing for EVE.
I would rather CCP be putting resources into CSM, leaders we choose, than trying to pay people they choose to be our leaders.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
214
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:22:00 -
[86] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Btw, the community people are always the first to get the axe, it's very unfortunate, but that's the way it usually goes.
Why is that? |
Jace Errata
Cobalt Valkyrie Industries The Ambivalent
12
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:24:00 -
[87] - Quote
I notice CCP Maiden Steel is also going, according to her Twitter. :(
I liked Fallout. :( Let's...just assume there's some kind of signature here, 'k? ... ... OH WAIT. |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
61
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:26:00 -
[88] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Barakkus wrote:Btw, the community people are always the first to get the axe, it's very unfortunate, but that's the way it usually goes.
Why is that?
Because 'community rep' is short for 'sales person'. If it aint selling...
THUNK
Down comes the axe.
C.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
49
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:27:00 -
[89] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Barakkus wrote:Btw, the community people are always the first to get the axe, it's very unfortunate, but that's the way it usually goes.
Why is that?
Yeah they fire the very vital people they need right now just for Public relations reasons.
I can understand cutting devs for WOD if they are dropping it to double down on EvE and Dust.
But the community guys were the people they needed in the days ahead.
This is insanity on their part as far as I wll say.
Hans you can attest that this is similar to some of my rants in corp chat that CCP was in major trouble and the writing was on the wall. Just from my own past experiences in game dev. |
Kengutsi Akira
58
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:27:00 -
[90] - Quote
Yeah, its not just community pl. Theyre cutting CONTENT ppl too... cause that makes sense when theyre "rededicating themselves to EVE" What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
570
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:30:00 -
[91] - Quote
Cailais wrote:I think its safe to say that those monocles didn't deliver the 20% increase in profits CCP wanted.
No prizes for guessing where that 20% of cash is now coming from.
C.
You'd love to believe that the punishment for the monoclegate fiasco might maybe (just maybe) be dispensing with the services of the NeX brainiacs that came close to screwing the game completely wouldn't you?
I will be so damned disappointed if those guys survive this while decent community reps do not.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
49
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:33:00 -
[92] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Cailais wrote:I think its safe to say that those monocles didn't deliver the 20% increase in profits CCP wanted.
No prizes for guessing where that 20% of cash is now coming from.
C. You'd love to believe that the punishment for the monoclegate fiasco might maybe (just maybe) be dispensing with the services of the NeX brainiacs that came close to screwing the game completely wouldn't you? I will be so damned disappointed if those guys survive this while decent community reps do not.
That Alone concerns me.
They should have been first on the chopping block IMO.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
570
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:37:00 -
[93] - Quote
Psychophantic wrote:The unsub protest worked apparently. Hit em where it hurts wasn't it?
Now you're going to unsub in protest over these firings and a few more will get the axe.
Anti NeX Monoclegate protest cannot be considered any form of success until CCP recant that horrible corruption of the Eve sandbox. If the response to the glorious Jita protests is firing other devs while maintaining the NeX designers/pushers in corner offices then its simply another ludicrious misjudgement by CCP senior management.
Sadly the spiral will continue until this lesson is learned because there are an awful lot of annoyed long term Eve players who can afford to post on forums and spin their ships by selling off their space-stuff for plex without resubscribing until CCP pull head from ass and genuinely face up to the mistakes they have made.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
61
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:39:00 -
[94] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Cailais wrote:I think its safe to say that those monocles didn't deliver the 20% increase in profits CCP wanted.
No prizes for guessing where that 20% of cash is now coming from.
C. You'd love to believe that the punishment for the monoclegate fiasco might maybe (just maybe) be dispensing with the services of the NeX brainiacs that came close to screwing the game completely wouldn't you? I will be so damned disappointed if those guys survive this while decent community reps do not. That Alone concerns me. They should have been first on the chopping block IMO.
I dont take any pleasure in hearing that someone will lose their job. I understand thats a degree of human empathy typically loathed by the EVE community but I think I can stand up to the flames.
All in all its a pretty sorry tale.
C.
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stoicfaux
302
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:46:00 -
[95] - Quote
Do you wonder if CCP management plays Eve? And do you wonder if any of the 20% know the names of management's characters...?
Tinfoil. It should be at the top of everyone's food pyramid.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:50:00 -
[96] - Quote
And so the flames, despite being apparently turned to cinders, are thus, by the hand of the Cackling Demon, fanned again to Brilliance.
Burn CCP! ... Burn! ... such a sad day indeed. Perhaps they just fired the people that pointed out to them how WRONG THEY WERE and kept the ones praising the NEX fiasco as the next best thing.
So usual. Perhaps a new CEO is in order? or perhaps let this game die for once, truly die and be done with this charade. Also Dust over WoD, so wrong on so many levels, at least the twilight crowd would have filled that game to the brink. Ha! the irony is amusing.
Incarna , the Playbook of CCP, another good idea to come CCP? perhaps OS/2? |
Lamperouge Kasenumi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:01:00 -
[97] - Quote
Players: Burn CCP!!!
CCP: Sup?
Players: We want more ship stuff!
CCP: Ok, we'll re-focus on FiS!!!
Players: We're going to look more at what you do than what you say!!
CCP layoff community employees
Players: O.O
Players: Burn CCP!!! |
Djavo
Privateers Privateer Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:18:00 -
[98] - Quote
Most of the replies here made me laugh, the clueless are a true inspiration. |
Esna Pitoojee
The Peerage
4
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:21:00 -
[99] - Quote
My god, CCP. You'd just managed to earn some of my trust back, and then this...
To make this clear, I am not objecting to the axing of jobs. Axing of jobs was quite likely an economic neccesity. What I am objecting to is the firing of core personnel who gained a deep understanding of EVE as a game, as a piece of software, and as a community from long periods of experience with all of the above.
Fallout and Zymurgist are only the beginning - what about Hammerhead, who was responsible for a huge amount of game development over the years and a much better idea of how we would respond to, ignore, and even abuse a game feature? What about CCP Valar, a database manager who knew what the hell was doing (in a time when the server seems to be falling dead from database issues every couple of weaks)? What about Maidensteel, who was just in the middle of collecting suggestions by the playerbase or new NeX products we'd actually like?
Our issue is not with your choice to shrink. It's your choice to cut out the heart to try and save the body. |
Afale II
Space Pony Farm
12
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:38:00 -
[100] - Quote
I think Hilmar finally realized that he is the CEO of a company.
Getting rid of unessesary people, like some parts of the EVE community team and closing this WOD Project for now is the best thing he did in years.
Finish your "PS3 Adventure" while hopefully giving EVE real Expansions again is the way to go.
You gained much trust back Hilmar don't blow it this time. -Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be- |
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Maekor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:47:00 -
[101] - Quote
Noah was fired, and that is a pretty good start. |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 22:53:00 -
[102] - Quote
I'm sad, angry and drunk right now. This game has been an emotional roller coaster to say the least.
Also, fire Hilmar.
And Torfi.
And Zulu.
Hire the people from FHC. Make Eve truly nasty (in a good way). |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
77
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:09:00 -
[103] - Quote
hey CCP i hope for you that the new guys that will do the community stuff will be good, and won't come in months. your actions make no sense.... you don't fire the community team when you promise us to communicate more...
and i suppose the guy(s) who choosed the nex items prices and others ****** ideas are not on the list ? |
Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
64
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:10:00 -
[104] - Quote
Maekor Stormborn wrote:Noah was fired, and that is a pretty good start.
I liked Noah.
C.
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Kengutsi Akira
61
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:30:00 -
[105] - Quote
Djavo wrote:Most of the replies here made me laugh, the clueless are a true inspiration.
so fill us in O Wise One What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
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Alexsei Volkov
Order Of Black Knights
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:35:00 -
[106] - Quote
Sad day hearing about Zymurgist and Fallout being gone.
Made even worse to hear my friend, and the entire web team out of Atlanta got the boot as well.
I think I'll let my guns fall idle, and give them the moment of respect they deserve.
Then I'll go right back to blowing **** up in their names! |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2011.10.19 23:49:00 -
[107] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:What the hell? Zymurgist and Fallout? That doesn't make sense... they released a dev bog about how they are firing 20% of the workforce to focus on eve and dust for now... This makes the playerbase happy.
And then they fire what are basically eve celebrities, in the same stroke? Thus making the community angry? Maybe we don't have the whole story, maybe those 2 quit. I can't believe anyone is that dumb.
edit: wait Wrangler too? ok fallout and zym i can almost take... but Wrangler? **** OFF CCP. I joined back in 2007 and he was there helping me on day one. This is BS.
Pretty much this.
What an appalling bunch of stupid from CCP we've had this year.
And after some excellent devblogs recently too. My hopes were building again, and my trust in CCP was somewhat restored.
Now??? Pfft.
WoD team I can understand, it may have been inevitable anyway - that's the sort of unfortunate accident that can happen, company has big plans during good times, circumstances change and the "expansion" of the company is now "overstretch". Nobody's fault really, just unfortunate.
But the community guys who are well-loved by the community at a time when CCP needs the community on its side?
Yeah, I say heads should roll at the top. This is getting beyond a joke, it's like a ******* Benny Hill farce. |
shashe sin
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.20 00:45:00 -
[108] - Quote
Only resubscribed my main since I saw a increase in communication from the community team. Now that they got fired 2 weeks after i subscribed back... Im wondering if ive made the right choice...
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
61
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Posted - 2011.10.20 00:47:00 -
[109] - Quote
Barbelo Valentinian wrote:MotherMoon wrote:What the hell? Zymurgist and Fallout? That doesn't make sense... they released a dev bog about how they are firing 20% of the workforce to focus on eve and dust for now... This makes the playerbase happy.
And then they fire what are basically eve celebrities, in the same stroke? Thus making the community angry? Maybe we don't have the whole story, maybe those 2 quit. I can't believe anyone is that dumb.
edit: wait Wrangler too? ok fallout and zym i can almost take... but Wrangler? **** OFF CCP. I joined back in 2007 and he was there helping me on day one. This is BS. Pretty much this. What an appalling bunch of stupid from CCP we've had this year. And after some excellent devblogs recently too. My hopes were building again, and my trust in CCP was somewhat restored. Now??? Pfft. WoD team I can understand, it may have been inevitable anyway - that's the sort of unfortunate accident that can happen, company has big plans during good times, circumstances change and the "expansion" of the company is now "overstretch". Nobody's fault really, just unfortunate. But the community guys who are well-loved by the community at a time when CCP needs the community on its side? Yeah, I say heads should roll at the top. This is getting beyond a joke, it's like a ******* Benny Hill farce.
Yeah they screw over EvE for years then fire the very people that helped keep us from giving up on the game.
BRILLIANT CCP. BRILLIANTLY STUPID THAT IS.
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Cunane Jeran
12
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Posted - 2011.10.20 00:59:00 -
[110] - Quote
If its true they fired those folks that basically took the bullet over the summer, then they have lost all faith from me.
You don't **** on guys and girls like that, esp as they are the ones communicating with us and are very well liked. |
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Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
30
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:01:00 -
[111] - Quote
Bring Fallout back !
My youtube channel Video Thread |
Tuggboat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:03:00 -
[112] - Quote
DId they fire those Goons? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
62
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:03:00 -
[113] - Quote
Asayanami Dei wrote:Bring Fallout back !
Even if CCP bring him back they just blew away any sliver of trust in them going forward. CCP just killed all hope for respecting them every again. |
SpaceSquirrels
Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe
9
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:04:00 -
[114] - Quote
Depends on who's idea's they were or who was in charge of managing the teams. Clearly hillmar wont fire himself.
Did those guys deserve it? I dunno.
Cutting the fat isnt always a bad thing. So lets hope for the best. Until then speculation as to the outcome.
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Your Stuff
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:06:00 -
[115] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:Let's hope they at least fired that NEX store douche. I forget his name.
CCP Zinfandel. And this is spot on. It will really be telling if this guy makes it and people like CCP Hammerhead take the fall... |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
549
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:35:00 -
[116] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Asayanami Dei wrote:Bring Fallout back ! Even if CCP bring him back they just blew away any sliver of trust in them going forward. CCP just killed all hope for respecting them every again. I see the word "RogueOperator" and all I can hope is your job in RL is not a clown giving out Carousel rides at kids parties. (or maybe it was so that's why you're here all day)
Man you are sooooo negative. If everything is soooo bad in Eve, why are you even here? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
69
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Posted - 2011.10.20 01:39:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Asayanami Dei wrote:Bring Fallout back ! Even if CCP bring him back they just blew away any sliver of trust in them going forward. CCP just killed all hope for respecting them every again. I see the word "RogueOperator" and all I can hope is your job in RL is not a clown giving out Carousel rides at kids parties. (or maybe it was so that's why you're here all day) Man you are sooooo negative. If everything is soooo bad in Eve, why are you even here?
Cuase they dont give refunds on prepaid subs.
You see i used to have faith in CCP. They blew it with incarna. And made it worse almost every decision since. Even the bit of hope i had about winter expansion was crushed by the realization CCP has not in fact learned a damn thing from all of this.
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
70
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:33:00 -
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How many need to be laid off until Hilmar is added to the list? |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:37:00 -
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Your Stuff wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:Let's hope they at least fired that NEX store douche. I forget his name. CCP Zinfandel. And this is spot on. It will really be telling if this guy makes it and people like CCP Hammerhead take the fall...
Yeah, telling in a "which direction is this game going in" kind of way
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:38:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Asayanami Dei wrote:Bring Fallout back ! Even if CCP bring him back they just blew away any sliver of trust in them going forward. CCP just killed all hope for respecting them every again. I see the word "RogueOperator" and all I can hope is your job in RL is not a clown giving out Carousel rides at kids parties. (or maybe it was so that's why you're here all day) Man you are sooooo negative. If everything is soooo bad in Eve, why are you even here?
youre thinking them laying off 20% of the company is a good thing?
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:38:00 -
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What a joke. Time to shoot the statue in jita! |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
193
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Posted - 2011.10.20 03:49:00 -
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Fallout, Z, Wrangler, Noah(hammerhead) what a shame. Sadly thats not even the full list of who all got laid off either(neither is the one on failheap).
Hilmar needs to step down and let Tofi run things. At least hes funny(sometimes). |
Al'ha
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 04:07:00 -
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This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end..? |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
260
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Posted - 2011.10.20 05:32:00 -
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Please keep the discussion of the recent announcement in this thread.
Locking this one now.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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