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Rells	Posted - 2005.10.14 10:34:00 - [1] Edited by: Rells on 14/10/2005 10:37:48 I am a noob character though I have been plaiyng Eve a year or so. I was wondering if people think that it would be possible for me to do missions for Serpentis in Curse. I just want to do the little level 1s down there. Empire is so unbelievably booring. Questions: 1) Who "claims" curse? 2) Is the alliance that "claims" curse reasonable? (Do they grant travel passes and so on at reasonable prices)? 3) Assuming I had instas and have flown in 0.0 a lot, is the area quet enough to live in without clone jumping 5 times a day? 4) Will doing missions for serpentis make me KOS in empire ? 5) If not Serpentis and curse, are there any other reccomendations of pirate implant giving factions I should consider? TIA
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.10.14 10:37:00 - [2] If you came to Curse and showed up neutral on the overview, you would be killed... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Derisor	Posted - 2005.10.14 10:41:00 - [3] Originally by: Bhaal If you came to Curse and showed up neutral on the overview, you would be killed... LOL there is a typical M. Corp answer. Namely a non-answer. Rells, I have only been down there a couple of times. I would say if you had peace with the controlling alliance and good instas you would be fine. You certainly wouldnt be as safe as in empire but im sure you knew that. I think its feasible. Your only problem will be logistics. You will have to import pretty much everything you need. Might be an interesting adventure though. Id say find out who owns the place, see if you can get a travel pass and give it a shot. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. If you act like a sheep, expect to be shorn and knitted into a colorful sweater.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.10.14 10:43:00 - [4] In claimed 0.0, the only way to survive to to be very, very, very paranoid. -- Proud member of the [23].
Tharim	Posted - 2005.10.14 10:43:00 - [5] I think your best choice would be to join a corp that is allowed in [5] space, or a member of [5]
So'Kar	Posted - 2005.10.14 10:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Rells I just want to do the little level 1s down there. For 1st levels you could use frigate, so you will be hard to catch for any alliance if you know what you are doing. Get ceptors and you are almost impossible to catch unless you mess something up and you can easily do 1 and 2 missions and maybe most lvl3 if you have the patience.
Rells	Posted - 2005.10.14 10:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Tharim I think your best choice would be to join a corp that is allowed in [5] space, or a member of [5] I doubt they are going to take a 100k SP char.
anister	Posted - 2005.10.14 10:53:00 - [8] Edited by: anister on 14/10/2005 10:53:30 You have been "playing a year or so" and yet you only have 100k Skillpoints? Curse is the Home region of the five, as mentioned above if you are sighted you will be shot out of the sky, no questions asked. Doing Serpentis missions will not make you KOS in empire, but i don't think it's empire you would have to worry about. *edit, fattened the post a little ___
Tharim	Posted - 2005.10.14 10:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Tharim I think your best choice would be to join a corp that is allowed in [5] space, or a member of [5] I doubt they are going to take a 100k SP char. You could ask them. I personally would be very impressed by your guts if you only have 100k sp and wants to go to 0.0 allready. My tip is to go into the recruit section of this forum and make a post and tell them what you want. The worst they can do is to say "no" right?
Benson Edges	Posted - 2005.10.14 11:03:00 - [10] TankCEO managed it for a while
Rells	Posted - 2005.10.14 11:23:00 - [11] Originally by: anister Edited by: anister on 14/10/2005 10:53:30 You have been "playing a year or so" and yet you only have 100k Skillpoints? Curse is the Home region of the five, as mentioned above if you are sighted you will be shot out of the sky, no questions asked. Doing Serpentis missions will not make you KOS in empire, but i don't think it's empire you would have to worry about. edit, fattened the post a little I was out of the game a while, came back and decided to start a new char the other day. Since you are a member of that alliance, is there any way I could get a pass to be down there? Originally by:* Tharim Originally by: Rells Originally by: Tharim I think your best choice would be to join a corp that is allowed in [5] space, or a member of [5] I doubt they are going to take a 100k SP char. You could ask them. I personally would be very impressed by your guts if you only have 100k sp and wants to go to 0.0 allready. My tip is to go into the recruit section of this forum and make a post and tell them what you want. The worst they can do is to say "no" right? Well that isnt the worst that they could say but they could say that. =)
Rells	Posted - 2005.10.14 23:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Tharim You could ask them. I personally would be very impressed by your guts if you only have 100k sp and wants to go to 0.0 allready. My tip is to go into the recruit section of this forum and make a post and tell them what you want. The worst they can do is to say "no" right? Ahh well, 0.0 is not as scary as many people make it out to be. Just exciting. The only thing is you have to be on your toes, that is all.
F'nog	Posted - 2005.10.14 23:30:00 - [13] No matter how skilled you are, you'll have an EXTREMELY difficult time doing Serp missions in Curse since there are only Angel agents there. Sig modified due to xenophobic comments -Iacon
SengH	Posted - 2005.10.14 23:33:00 - [14] Edited by: SengH on 14/10/2005 23:33:18 there are serpentis agents :P but they are in HLW / LJ :P Edit: I dont think he would be able to survive in HLW as a neutral :P
Ardor	Posted - 2005.10.15 00:13:00 - [15] If you are very carefully and you have instas I say you could survice as long as you can do your missions with a fregate. The problem comes with better agents when you need bigger but slower ships.
SengH	Posted - 2005.10.15 00:25:00 - [16] instas wouldnt help him in HLW :P. The lower quality l1 agents are there... the higher quality ones are in lj. Both would be near suicide for non [5] affilitated/friendly pilots.
Magnum III	Posted - 2005.10.15 06:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Magnum III on 15/10/2005 06:18:36 Originally by: Derisor Originally by: Bhaal see if you can get a travel pass and give it a shot. This is what is really imbecilic about this game. If I don't get one what happens, the hall monitor sends me to the principalÆs office? That is lame to have to get some sort of pass to play a game, please just pod me now.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.10.15 07:00:00 - [18] Edited by: Ras Blumin on 15/10/2005 07:00:47 Originally by: Magnum III That is lame to have to get some sort of pass to play a game, please just pod me now. If you don't like it, fit some big guns to your ship, and do something about it. edit; oh, and pure blind and (most of) syndicate aren't claimed by anyone p - l - u - r
Kyle Caldrel	Posted - 2005.10.15 07:31:00 - [19] i ran missions for the angel cartel a long time ago, when curse alliance was around. It is indeed possible, but it is a logistical nightmear. You better be prepared to be self sufficient, and find a out of the way place to do missions.
Nac MacFeegle	Posted - 2005.10.15 07:58:00 - [20] "Hi. We're Generic Alliance. We claim this one-eighth of the galaxy as ours. Nevermind we don't use 99% of it, we'd rather kill you than to let you in." Bloody alliances and their bloody egos.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.10.15 08:56:00 - [21] Edited by: Ras Blumin on 15/10/2005 09:00:45 Edited by: Ras Blumin on 15/10/2005 08:57:15 Originally by: Nac MacFeegle "Hi. We're Generic Alliance. We claim this one-eighth of the galaxy as ours. Nevermind we don't use 99% of it, we'd rather kill you than to let you in." Bloody alliances and their bloody egos. How about doing some research before telling us about our ego's? I live in tribute now, as a member of the F-E alliance. We have a couple of non-alliance corps living here. We charge the same refining tax % from them that we charge from alliance members. I don't know the exact requirements for being let into our space, but I'd guess it's reasonable. Before that, I lived in Fade, in G space, together with a bunch of non-g people. I saw more non-G people there than I saw G. We mined, npc'ed and pvp'ed there. Lots of corps did (prolly still do) the same in Iron space. 5 and BOB will let you into their space as well, dunno what/if they charge anything. And if you don't wanna live in someone elses space, just go to PB or Syndicate, or stop whining :\|. p - l - u - r
Nac MacFeegle	Posted - 2005.10.16 01:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Ras Blumin How about doing some research before telling us about our ego's? Was I talking to you? No? Then shut it.
TruthKeeper	Posted - 2005.10.16 05:25:00 - [23] Rells, please please gang me up once you enter Curse so we can....ehm....cough.... do that complex thingy together. Please. YARRRRR.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.10.16 05:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Nac MacFeegle "Hi. We're Generic Alliance. We claim this one-eighth of the galaxy as ours. Nevermind we don't use 99% of it, we'd rather kill you than to let you in." Bloody alliances and their bloody egos. Hi, we're Firmus Ixion. We claim this one fiftieth of the galaxy as ours. Good thing we use nearly all of it, we'd be happy to let you in if you joined one of our corps. -- Proud member of the [23].
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2005.10.16 06:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Magnum III Edited by: Magnum III on 15/10/2005 06:18:36 That is lame to have to get some sort of pass to play a game, please just pod me now. Head on down to curse and im sure a member of [5] will be glad to accomidate you. _______________________________________________
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.10.16 07:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Nac MacFeegle Edited by: Nac MacFeegle on 16/10/2005 01:58:10 Originally by: Ras Blumin How about doing some research before telling us about our ego's? And replying like that to something that wasn't directed at you proves the theory of overinflated egos... So which alliance is supposed to reply? ~Captain Cutie, HFS Iron Fist Biomass fears me. Captain Cutie does not speak for the Phoenix Alliance.
bloorp	Posted - 2005.10.16 08:55:00 - [27] If you're carefull you can go a long way...i've been playing for about a month now (after a trial i once did long ago) and basically went straight into 0.0, which cost me a few impairors at first, but im enjoying myself alot more than in empire (too crowded). I've only run into the 'locals' a few times (and BS NPCs in belts) which cost me a few frigs, but other than that i've been doing okay i guess. As long as you don't mind to lose a ship once in a while...and don't trust anyone. When i have some more SPs i might try and see if i can join one of the corps that claim those regions as i'd like to venture way deeper in 0.0 and plan on never going back to hi sec.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.10.16 09:37:00 - [28] u could try sydnicate and the intaki syndicate missions plenty of NPC stations and the only thing u need to worry about is pirates. start with level 1s and 2s in a AF. As for higher missions well if u have self sufficent funding and can afford to loose a BS a week on average good luck to u
Antoinette Civari	Posted - 2005.10.16 09:50:00 - [29] Originally by: sonofollo u could try sydnicate and the intaki syndicate missions plenty of NPC stations and the only thing u need to worry about is pirates. start with level 1s and 2s in a AF. As for higher missions well if u have self sufficent funding and can afford to loose a BS a week on average good luck to u Syndicate may look nice at first (no claims etc.) but you really dont want to live there if you don't have any pvp experience.
Tiny Carlos	Posted - 2005.10.16 09:52:00 - [30] Quote: I was wondering if people think that it would be possible for me to do missions for Serpentis in Curse. It's easy, the way into and out of empire is often clear, and once your in there you've just to stay frosty, never go afk, don't awnser the phone..and so on If you're a young character the Alliance pilots can't seem to be bothered to hunt you, so unless you offer yourself to them on a plate.... Oh and take bpc for everything you need, make the stuff from the misson loot, once you have a few spare ships dotted about you'll feel right at home, despite the people trying to kill you all the time
Derisor	Posted - 2005.10.16 10:32:00 - [31] Originally by: TruthKeeper Rells, please please gang me up once you enter Curse so we can....ehm....cough.... do that complex thingy together. Please. YARRRRR. And people wonder why I say there are so many elitist jerks in eve. He is a new player triyng to bust out of empire. You all keep saying how that is easy but we see now how easy it really isnt. The alliances dont want newer players. In fact they generally dont want any players, resting on their laurels. 0.0 has been divided up, if you havent gotten your piece move along to the next game please. The question is, will CCP do anything about it? --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. If you act like a sheep, expect to be shorn and knitted into a colorful sweater.
Deka Kador	Posted - 2005.10.16 10:43:00 - [32] Originally by: Derisor Originally by: TruthKeeper Rells, please please gang me up once you enter Curse so we can....ehm....cough.... do that complex thingy together. Please. YARRRRR. And people wonder why I say there are so many elitist jerks in eve. He is a new player triyng to bust out of empire. You all keep saying how that is easy but we see now how easy it really isnt. The alliances dont want newer players. In fact they generally dont want any players, resting on their laurels. 0.0 has been divided up, if you havent gotten your piece move along to the next game please. The question is, will CCP do anything about it? you accuse people of being elitist and yet your so-called move to piracy thread was full of degrading comments about sheep You're a hypocrit, Derisor.
Derisor	Posted - 2005.10.16 10:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Deka Kador Originally by: Derisor Originally by: TruthKeeper Rells, please please gang me up once you enter Curse so we can....ehm....cough.... do that complex thingy together. Please. YARRRRR. And people wonder why I say there are so many elitist jerks in eve. He is a new player triyng to bust out of empire. You all keep saying how that is easy but we see now how easy it really isnt. The alliances dont want newer players. In fact they generally dont want any players, resting on their laurels. 0.0 has been divided up, if you havent gotten your piece move along to the next game please. The question is, will CCP do anything about it? you accuse people of being elitist and yet your so-called move to piracy thread was full of degrading comments about sheep You're a hypocrit, Derisor. The two topics have nothing to do with each other. This guy is obviously not a sheep. Sheep dotn want to go to 0.0. There are people in the game that arent sheep; granted a majority probably are, but there are newer players that want pvp and action and dont mind danger. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. If you act like a sheep, expect to be shorn and knitted into a colorful sweater.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.10.16 11:10:00 - [34] Running missions in Curse is easy, all you need is insta bms in and around the systems you plan on running missions in. A fast ship and some BPOs/BPC of whatever ammo youre using is quite usefull too. Then pick an agent outside of the Busy systems (Doril, HLW, H-ADOC and eeeh ATUK's home system whose name i cant remember). However, Curse IS a warzone, theres far more factions then the five running about and theyve got a lot of sponsored corporations who might try and take some shots at you. Anyhows, the above tactics work for any alliances space. The only thing you have to worry about it getting shot while undocking so dont stay docked for too long whenever youre talking to your agent. As for other factions, Guristas have nice implants for Caldari pilots ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Rells	Posted - 2005.10.16 11:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Running missions in Curse is easy, all you need is insta bms in and around the systems you plan on running missions in. A fast ship and some BPOs/BPC of whatever ammo youre using is quite usefull too. Then pick an agent outside of the Busy systems (Doril, HLW, H-ADOC and eeeh ATUK's home system whose name i cant remember). However, Curse IS a warzone, theres far more factions then the five running about and theyve got a lot of sponsored corporations who might try and take some shots at you. Anyhows, the above tactics work for any alliances space. The only thing you have to worry about it getting shot while undocking so dont stay docked for too long whenever youre talking to your agent. As for other factions, Guristas have nice implants for Caldari pilots Actually im wondering why I came back to Eve to be honest. The alliances basically just ignore their official channels it seems and arent interested in lettign anyone in. It just seems like derisor is right. If you arent in one of them and arent willing to wait 6 months to actually play the game, just move on. All [5] has done so far is to threaten and isnult and smacktalk me for requesting access and the other alliances I have contacted have merely ignored me. If you arent a carebear miner dude and you are a newbie, I guess there is nothing in this game for you. Im probably going to not renew next month. Why bother. I dont want to skill up for 6 months just to get out of carebear land. ◄ I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. -- Paul Atreides ►
Derisor	Posted - 2005.10.16 11:20:00 - [36] Originally by: Rells Im probably going to not renew next month. Why bother. I dont want to skill up for 6 months just to get out of carebear land. Sorry to hear it man! But you will probably get smacktalked by others on your way out. Im afraid you arent wrong in the slightest. I have been posting on this for ages. If you quit then good luck to you in whatever game you play. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. If you act like a sheep, expect to be shorn and knitted into a colorful sweater.
Babel	Posted - 2005.10.16 12:19:00 - [37] "I was wondering if people think that it would be possible for me to do missions for Serpentis in Curse." Yes :)
Moghydin	Posted - 2005.10.16 12:37:00 - [38] Edited by: Moghydin on 16/10/2005 12:38:24 * srry wrong thread*
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.10.16 12:39:00 - [39] Originally by: Derisor Originally by: TruthKeeper Rells, please please gang me up once you enter Curse so we can....ehm....cough.... do that complex thingy together. Please. YARRRRR. And people wonder why I say there are so many elitist jerks in eve. He is a new player triyng to bust out of empire. You all keep saying how that is easy but we see now how easy it really isnt. The alliances dont want newer players. In fact they generally dont want any players, resting on their laurels. 0.0 has been divided up, if you havent gotten your piece move along to the next game please. The question is, will CCP do anything about it? If you haven't gotten your piece, maybe you should join up so you get access to the piece you want? Most alliances will accept any non-pirate character of any skill point level. -- Proud member of the [23].
TruthKeeper	Posted - 2005.10.16 12:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Derisor And people wonder why I say there are so many elitist jerks in eve. No need to insult me: it doesn't make you look more mature. Shame on you Derisor. Originally by: Derisor The alliances dont want newer players. Haha, good one. Alliances always looks around to recruit new people, not new people wandering around their claimed territory (and being possible spies).
Xelios	Posted - 2005.10.16 14:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Running missions in Curse is easy, all you need is insta bms in and around the systems you plan on running missions in. A fast ship and some BPOs/BPC of whatever ammo youre using is quite usefull too. Then pick an agent outside of the Busy systems (Doril, HLW, H-ADOC and eeeh ATUK's home system whose name i cant remember). However, Curse IS a warzone, theres far more factions then the five running about and theyve got a lot of sponsored corporations who might try and take some shots at you. Anyhows, the above tactics work for any alliances space. The only thing you have to worry about it getting shot while undocking so dont stay docked for too long whenever youre talking to your agent. As for other factions, Guristas have nice implants for Caldari pilots Actually im wondering why I came back to Eve to be honest. The alliances basically just ignore their official channels it seems and arent interested in lettign anyone in. It just seems like derisor is right. If you arent in one of them and arent willing to wait 6 months to actually play the game, just move on. All [5] has done so far is to threaten and isnult and smacktalk me for requesting access and the other alliances I have contacted have merely ignored me. If you arent a carebear miner dude and you are a newbie, I guess there is nothing in this game for you. Im probably going to not renew next month. Why bother. I dont want to skill up for 6 months just to get out of carebear land. You can thank the game mechanics for this. Look at it from an alliance's point of view. You claim a region of space, you fight for it daily and lose ships and isk daily defending it. You put in the time and effort to run and coordinate an alliance, which can be much more demanding than people think: running diplomacy with other alliances, setting up alliance market systems, keeping standings up to date, reviewing corps for membership, building POS's and outposts, keeping those POS fueled etc. Now a 100k skill point character wants to use your space, basically getting a free ride off your hard work. On top of that you now have an added security risk, because who knows what this character is going to do in your space. Is he going to spy on your fleets and mining ops for some other alliance? Will he start attacking your industrials? Will he start making bookmarks through your space for friends? Every neutral person you allow in your space is another headache to deal with, trust me. Stain tried a non-aggressive stance to neutrals and we just ended up getting burned by alts and spies. Not to mention you can't use a valuable standings slot to set standings with this neutral and every other you allow in your space, so now you constantly have people asking whether or not you're in their space legitly or whether you're KOS. This slows down response time, causes a lot of confusion and leads to 'accidents'. The people blaming NBSI policies on alliances 'egos' have obviously never been in an alliance themselves. _____________________________________
Saimon	Posted - 2005.10.16 16:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Bhaal If you came to Curse and showed up neutral on the overview, you would be killed... why havn't I been killed yet then? __________ saimon
Rells	Posted - 2005.10.16 16:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Xelios You can thank the game mechanics for this. If this is so then the mechanics of the game need to change if CCP cares about keeping new customers. As for the rest of your post, you seem to act like the players in question killed your daughter in real life. This is a game. You dont fight for that space because of moral right with blood sweat and tears, you fight for it because you have fun fighting. You act like the war is tragic that you would rather have peace. Its really very strange; almost like you see the game as a reality. THe fact that its a game means that people want to have fun and to be honest i think Derisor is right in that it is too easy to "claim" space in the game. As for alliances recruiting players, every alliance i have talked to has either ignored me or said that i needed like 5 mil SP (like 6 months in game) to even be considered. Why should I pay for a game 6 months before it starts entertaining me? ◄ I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. -- Paul Atreides ►
Katjia	Posted - 2005.10.16 16:39:00 - [44] curse is very easy to get into these days with the new gates. but with 5 consolidating into curse and changing ther tactics i would wait a week before diving into curse. And HLW is ebil..eeeeebil makes the rest of 0.0 look like secure space...everytime i've been ther either on my own or in a fleet i left in a pod or in flames. gah spelling is soooo overated....
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.10.16 17:06:00 - [45] Originally by: Rells THe fact that its a game means that people want to have fun and to be honest i think Derisor is right in that it is too easy to "claim" space in the game. Claiming is easy, anyone can claim anything. Actually controlling it is a diffrent story. Originally by: Rells As for alliances recruiting players, every alliance i have talked to has either ignored me or said that i needed like 5 mil SP (like 6 months in game) to even be considered. Why should I pay for a game 6 months before it starts entertaining me? So how many have you actually talked to? Youre welcome to list names, assuming theres anything to list ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Rells	Posted - 2005.10.16 17:26:00 - [46] I have talked to 15 corps in 3 alliances. Look, it just seems that Eve isnt the game for me I guess. No room for newer characters that dont want to be carebears. This isnt fun so hell with it. CCP loses another customer. I will simply not renew next month. Thank god I activated only for a month. ◄ I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. -- Paul Atreides ►
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.10.16 17:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Rells I have talked to 15 corps in 3 alliances. Look, it just seems that Eve isnt the game for me I guess. No room for newer characters that dont want to be carebears. This isnt fun so hell with it. CCP loses another customer. I will simply not renew next month. Thank god I activated only for a month. My friend talked to one corp in one alliance, and got in right on the spot. Perhaps EVE isn't the game for you. -- Proud member of the [23].
TruthKeeper	Posted - 2005.10.16 23:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Rells No room for newer characters that dont want to be carebears. Bah, are you jokin'? EVE is the most PvP mmorpg on the market right now. Originally by: Rells CCP loses another customer. Heh, I think CCP will survive. Originally by: Rells it just seems that Eve isnt the game for me I guess. I completely agree with you on this one: EVE is not the droid you're lookin' for.
Lia Jjaro	Posted - 2005.10.17 01:21:00 - [49] You want to gain access to alliance controlled space? Well at the risk of saying the bloody obvious, but why don't you just join a corp that has access to Alliance space? --------------------- Yes, I'm an alt. Bite me.
aeti	Posted - 2005.10.17 02:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Rells 2) Is the alliance that "claims" curse reasonable? (Do they grant travel passes and so on at reasonable prices)? This might be worth a try and it doesn't seem you have tried to contact us at all on our forums.

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