Serious and no trolling meant.
Why didn't you use the year gone to train shields? If there is a more efficient way to do something which is proving better why not move over to it? if CCP then nerf that and make armour better you can just switch back.
CCP don't do FOTM they seem to like FOTY more... from my own experience you're better just moving to what works best and using it then expecting them to ever fix something they broke.

Shields ability to 1 slot tank Incursions is killing armour Incursion balance

Yeas, cos the easiest way in the game to get endless ISK definitely need a buff...

ARMOR: Faster movement (easier to fit Prop) + utility like dual Webs/TP/etc at a lower DPS output. EHP can be lower.

fit TCs instead of webs/painters

then you're only helping yourselves :D

TC's fit in low slots which are filled with tank & DPS mods for armour. How about a specialized mid slot DPS mod CCP? You Gave shields a low slot tracking enhancer with the TC where's the reciprocity?

Alot of good dual webs/P does in a competition when it also helps the the competition

C6 Magnetar exploiting hypocrite.

lol...

a.) that was 3 years ago
b.) was fixed 3 years ago
c.) i wasnt in this corp 3 years ago
d.) even with the exploit, incursions are still a far easier and steadier income source

To be fair you did say easier and not better, but we all know that wormholes is where the ISK is.

TC's TE's fit in low slots which are filled with tank & DPS mods for armour. How about a specialized mid slot DPS mod CCP? You Gave shields a low slot tracking enhancer with the TC where's the reciprocity?

edit: FIXED

2/10.

One slot, seriously?

It's literally beyond impossible to 1-slot tank and Incursion. The only REAL difference between the types is this:

2/10.

One slot, seriously?

I also go back to my point of saying if shield is so much better... use it!

Alot of good dual webs/P does in a competition when it also helps the the competition .
The prop helps only in 1 Vanguard: NCO's really (& once in a blue moon OTAs if and only if the armour fleet has a 1 spawn head start.). Prop mods don't help in assaults nor HQs

Ok Darth... against my better judgement I'm going to try to explain to you why you think the armor vs. shield argument is valid but in reality it is not.

First off a few things about your community, The Ditanian Fleet and Born Ara.

1. You have low standards for ships/fittings.
a) One time to prove a point to a friend that TDF was bad I linked a guardian fit with a full meta 1 fit with medium reppers, I was promptly invited to fleet and asked to join on grid and I didn't turn on a single rep the whole time, being as I was the 3rd guardian on grid, no one noticed.
b) You allow tech 1 battleships into your fleets without tech 2 guns.

2. TDF and Born Ara are both full of typical Eve players. All the FC's/Officers of TDF throw their weight around like their something special, (ETS Jammer is the only well adjusted normal human being in the whole bunch IMO) they all go on and on about fittings and their amazing amount of knowledge they have with incursions and incursion mechanics, (when in actuality they are all fairly bad at ship fittings and have limited knowledge about optimal fleet setups) and most of the FC's are just downright egomaniacs.

More power to you guys for running an armor community like this, have fun and enjoy your PvE. However if you are going to continue to argue about how armor is soooooo broken compared to shield for incursion fleets then you had better be running optimal setups like 90% of the shield fleets are.

Now... I took ship setups from the major shield fleets for the Vindicator and Machariel, VG and HQ fits, and checked the numbers on the best fits. Then I setup armor ships to compare the numbers.

Vindicator
Shield VG
EHP: 60,110
Resists
EM: 60.7
Therm: 57.5
Kin: 68.1
Expl: 73.4
DPS: 1582
Optimal + Falloff: 6.4 + 23
Tracking: 0.12927

Armor VG
EHP: 71,396
Resists
EM: 67.0
Therm: 57.1
Kin: 57.1
Expl: 56.1
DPS: 1582
Optimal + Falloff: 6.4 + 23
Tracking: 0.15327

The HQ Vindicator fit and Machariel VG and HQ fits match up basically the same as those fits.

I checked the numbers on the Basilisk vs. Guardian and the results are about the same. I'm sure Scimitar vs. Oneiros is much the same as well.

Another huge bonus to running an armor fleet is the Legion, which I have numbers on but seeing as the Tengu is not used in most high end shield incursion communities I won't post the numbers to compare, needless to say having a cruiser hull with decent EHP and amazing applied DPS to frigate hulls is a massive addition to any VG fleet.

Armor fits are calculated with a high grade Slave set, which is the major bonus of running any armor setup. If you want to whine about having to buy implants to compete (which I'm guessing you will) you need to realize that the invulnerability field that shield fleets use to get those resists/EHP is roughly the cost of a full low-grade Slave set + deadspace EANM. Also if there was a shield slave set, how many shield communites would be rocking it?

So what's my point with all this jibba jabba?

Since the death of the blitz fleet, the armor incursion community has been at a stand still whining about the VG nerf. Shield fleets have taken off running and adapted to the changes and made the most of it. TDF needs to take a long hard look at how efficient they run their community before posting anything about shield vs. armor incursion balance.

When your balance argument is "The people who use the things I use are just superior players, unlike our competitors who are just bads" it is a good indication you are wrong.

You did a great job of convincing me that Armor fleets need a buff.