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Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
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Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
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Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
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Except he's right. Armour fleets are fine, and I fly in one. The actual 'problem' armour fleets face is one of perception. This perception is based on a few things;

1. There are few pilots and even fewer FCs in the armour communities.
2. Because of 1, the handful of fleets that do get running are forced to take ****-fit T1 battleships with meta4 guns and only 1-2 damage mods because their pilots have to over-tank due to poor skills and lack of OGBs. They also frequently have 3 logis, further reducing their damage potential.
3. Because of 2, most armour fleets actually ARE crap.
4. Because of 3, pilots and FCs leave to shield fleets (this causes 1, and it continues)
5. Because of 4, shield fleets have a much larger pool of pilots to recruit from and can afford to only take the shiny ships piloted by pilots with good skills.
6. Because of 5, shield fleets actually ARE better, and so the myth-fact is continued.

Self fulfilling prophecy. Shield fleets are literally better because they are perceived to be better. The few times I've been in a fleet with proper OGBs and a good fleet makeup, we won every contest of the sites (VGs because 1) and we were pushing 4 minute pay to pay times.

Until armour fleets are perceived to be better than shields, they will continue to be worse than shields. People like Darth constantly shouting about how CCP hate armour are just making the problem worse, especially when they use selectively cherry-picked incorrect claims to do it. A ship with an invul field and 3 rigs is NOT a 1-slot tank. It is a 4-slot tank.

So everyone is doing shield, but armor is totally better. But all the best players run shield fleet.

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Also, your fitting is **** because it is basically "Look, I can make a good armor tank with a 5 billion isk budget". It is ~3 bill just for the ship, plus another billion or two in implants.

Sans implants it does a respectable 1070 DPS (20/17) with a terrible 63k EHP.

You ignored drone DPS on my fit, while using it on yours. (1070 gun DPS on pally, 855 gun DPS on geddon)
2 slot tank versus 7 slot tank.
6 damage mods versus 4 damage mods.
No tracking mods at all on your geddon. (giving you just over HALF the tracking on the Paladin)
20% longer lock times on your geddon
Large thermal hole on your geddon.
Only 4 minutes of cap on your geddon.
Fitting mods on your geddon.

Look out folks, we've got a class-1 EFT warrior here.

The entire point of the post was making fun of your EFT Warrior'ing.

Congratulations at totally missing the point.


List of things that matter for EFT Whores and don't in game:]
2 slot tank versus 7 slot tank.
6 damage mods versus 4 damage mods.
Fitting mods on your geddon.

By your "logic" if I could shoe horn 5k DPS and 200 K HP but it took 5 slots to tank, 8 damage mods and 2 fitting mods it would be terrible. This is why your posts are counter productive to your "cause". Because you are bad at this game and posting.

Here is a Paladin fit that reaches 1400dps (6% implants), has 110,532 eHP (using only low-grade slaves in 1-5, no Omega, and an OGB Legion w/ mindlink) and 2 tanking mods. Please note; THIS IS AN ACTUAL 2-SLOT TANK.

I am calling you out on that BS fit:
WTF are the resistances on that ??? Its sig radius + explosive hole are HUGE!!!
POOF!

He basically requires a full set of HG implants, and a full minklinked Damnation for make it work.

Resists: 77.6 / 70.8% / 70.6% / 73.1%
Armour HP: 18688 (no implants)
eHP: 92,213

WHAT explosive hole? The sig radius is quite large, but that is an unfortunate side-effect of being a marauder.



Implants aren't required, they just make it better. Yes, I have an OGB, why wouldn't I use it?

explosive 73.1? really? 92k paladin in my experience is trouble!

It gets 20+17km range with IN MF and with Scorch gives 1142 DPS at 59+17kms. High Grade slaves give it 129,347 eHP, this is MORE than enough for logis to keep you up. Heck, you could spider tank this with no logis, although this will never happen due to :lazy:

My EFT warrioring that is backed up by actually HAVING those implants and a perfect OGB alt w/ mindlink? My EFT warrioring that has actually been in a fleet of those Paladins and seen what they can do?

It actually didn't get nerfed this much. The difference is mostly that people know what to shoot first and logis with 1000+ sites on her back are in a position where everything but wtf moments are boring daily routine.

As example I am pretty sure that halve of the logis where semi afk as I lost a mega with T1 fitting and massive EM/Termal holes in non existing buffer during a Assault site. I can tell for sure that the 2 logis I know and I got overloaded reps on this thing even before he did manage to push the broadcast button(the armor jumped back and forth like crazy).

Incoming dps got nerfed by a huge amount, both during the move from Sisi to live and post live. If you didn't notice, it's just that you jumped on the bandwagon later on after it's easy.

Here is a Paladin fit that reaches 1400dps (6% implants), has 110,532 eHP (using only low-grade slaves in 1-5, no Omega, and an OGB Legion w/ mindlink) and 2 tanking mods. Please note; THIS IS AN ACTUAL 2-SLOT TANK.



It gets 20+17km range with IN MF and with Scorch gives 1142 DPS at 59+17kms. High Grade slaves give it 129,347 eHP, this is MORE than enough for logis to keep you up. Heck, you could spider tank this with no logis, although this will never happen due to :lazy:

HQ's .100k tank with OGB is absolutely fine ( Granted you trained your logis ) .
VG's .60k tank with OGB is absolutely fine ( Granted you trained your logis ) .

Back in the days of mixed gangs I literally had untanked, semi afk logis to work with and tons of ships with super slim buffers and massive resistance holes. I even multi boxed(logi+dps+fc) this gangs just to get something running. The reason why Incursion is easy this days is that you work mostly with good setups and people that know what they are doing.

How much could a logi handle back in the days? I know I could only do halve of what I can do today. Current standard on a good logi pilot is 2.5-3k DPS per logi, if you really push it(you can do VGs without even use heat as a single logi). If you compare this to normal setups that people used back in the day, it is 50-100% more RR done per logi with pilots in them that can manage to catch even drones or non posters in HQ fleets.

Bottom line is, if you compare logis back in the days to current ones, it is like comparing apples to oranges, since incursion logis with routine are not just a little better than the people back in the days, they can handle a lot more dps and are fluid enough that glass cannon setups became no issue at all.

It's literally beyond impossible to 1-slot tank and Incursion. The only REAL difference between the types is this:

SHIELD: Higher DPS output (if) there are enough in fleet with free mids for Webs. EHP must be slightly higher due to Sig bloom.

ARMOR: Faster movement (easier to fit Prop) + utility like dual Webs/TP/etc at a lower DPS output. EHP can be lower.

Those same numbers don't really apply to Armour since the reps land later

This is all rather misleading, the emphasis should be on how much 'Shield' or 'Armor' you have, total EHP is useless in terms of logistics. I run with 12k shield, as that is the only part my logi can fix it is also the only part I put my emphasis on. I know with 70% resist that I can take approximately a 30k(room)volley before I need to panic: in a room that is producing 3k to 5k (Room)dps that gives me 3 seconds to broadcast and the logis have 4 to 8 seconds to get reps on me.

The same is true for armor but add the 3 to 4 seconds for the cycles to finish. So by that supposition I would say armor needs and extra 3 second buffer to compensate for the cycle time, or an additional 1k armor for every 3k (Room) DPS per second of buffer needed.
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If it make you feel better darth CCP is nerf batting Shield ships with the TE nerf. Armor should be happy now that your scripted TC ships just jumped ahead in the game a bit.

Also lets not forget on and armor BS ship you have 10-15k of shield buffer to give your logi time to get you locked and repped. If a shield ship isn't locked and repped before it runs into armor it can be a bad day for the pilot a good portion of the time.

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MUCH worse then the shield fleets thanks to thier stonger abilities to fit more low slot damage mods & TE's;due to the added crusier/BS NPC eHP(especially the MARA in OTAs (which seemed to remote repair itself) that got taken out/FIXED becuase the Wall of OTA screams for 3 months ) & taking out of triggers, creating a spiral of lowering of numbers and skills.