If it make you feel better darth CCP is nerf batting Shield ships with the TE nerf. Armor should be happy now that your scripted TC ships just jumped ahead in the game a bit.

Also lets not forget on and armor BS ship you have 10-15k of shield buffer to give your logi time to get you locked and repped. If a shield ship isn't locked and repped before it runs into armor it can be a bad day for the pilot a good portion of the time.

This is all rather misleading, the emphasis should be on how much 'Shield' or 'Armor' you have, total EHP is useless in terms of logistics. I run with 12k shield, as that is the only part my logi can fix it is also the only part I put my emphasis on. I know with 70% resist that I can take approximately a 30k(room)volley before I need to panic: in a room that is producing 3k to 5k (Room)dps that gives me 3 seconds to broadcast and the logis have 4 to 8 seconds to get reps on me.

The same is true for armor but add the 3 to 4 seconds for the cycles to finish. So by that supposition I would say armor needs and extra 3 second buffer to compensate for the cycle time, or an additional 1k armor for every 3k (Room) DPS per second of buffer needed.

I thought it quite amusing that I could use a ship with a damage control and 1 em rig (with ogb) and still tank fine for vanguards using shield logi ofc.
Not sure what armour people are complaining about. If armour and shield reps functioned the same at the beginning of the cycle armour would become way too overpowered.

Maybe if armour reps had a reduced cycle time but a reduced rep amount to keep them balanced at least reps could be applied quicker.

Armor has about the same potential as shield.

Its time to grow some balls and start min-maxing Armor fits. but i guess thats to scary so lets fly with 3 logi aswel so we dont loose our over tanked ships.

WHERE DID THE LEGION FLEETS GO ?

Legion fleets left the building because CCP screwed them by effing with the fleet compostitions of NPCs thus nerfing Vanguards & essentially leaving HQ sites as they were for the Escalation nerf.

I guess I just like to fight the power.
But really should 1 tank have such an advantage in PvE while the other has just a slight advantage in PvP?

Its time to grow some balls and start min-maxing Armor fits. but i guess thats to scary so lets fly with 3 logi aswel so we dont loose our over tanked ships.

I'm hoping that the Paladin's tracking bonuses will put it closer to par with the NM as an effective armour Incursion ship but its sig radius still makes it squish as heck.

Unlike the naysayers I totally agree with the OP. Nightmares can easily fit 1 mid-slot + 1 rig tank for VGs or 1 mid + 1 low + 1 rig for AS or HQ. And you don't need LSE since shield xfers rep immediately.

You do understand that armor reps need to cycle before they rep, right?

Nightmare with 1 Pithum A-type Invulnerability Field and 1 Large Core Defence Field Extender II, as well as perfect Tengu Boosts:
Resists: 59.9/67.9/75.9/79.9
Shield eHP: 55,302
Total eHP: 83,338

Um... a single low slot is enough to tank a Paladin in Vanguards, but lets go ahead and give numbers for a single low and a rig.

Paladin with 1 Corelum A-type EANM and 1 Large Trimark Armour Pump II, with perfect Legion boosts... and SLAVES:
Resists: 77.6/70.8/70.6/73.1
Armour eHP: 74,677
Total eHP: 103,491

Note please that the Paladin has about 25% more total eHP, and almost 50% more armour eHP than the Nightmare has shield eHP. Take the rig out and the Paladin still beats the Nightmare. Also, please note that the Nightmare has a huge EM hole, where the paladin has all its resists over 70.

1 slot tank on the Paladin beats a 2 slot tank on the Nightmare. WHY ARE WE STILL CONTINUING THIS THREAD!?

Wrong rig: put an anti-EM rig, no shiny NM flies with CDFE.

I do agree though that 2-mid-slot + DCU looks a lot better on a NM. Anti-Therm rig + EM amp + A-type invul + boosts yields >80% resists across the board.

Paladin's what? *chokes*

EM-rig changes the numbers, but the Paladin is still better with only the EANM.

C6 Magnetar exploiting hypocrite.

As much as I sympathise with the plight of the armour community I keep asking myself; GÇÿSelf, why is this a problem? People donGÇÖt use shields for a lot of things, and those same people donGÇÖt use armour for other things.GÇÖ

For instance I donGÇÖt use the newspaper to wipe my ass nor do I expect to read my toilet paper for the news, get the right tool for the job, if it isnGÇÖt working most likely you are using the wrong tool.

Trouble with this is that armour was competitive until CCP nerfed them in Escalation a year ago, the tool analogy doesn't fit because the toll was once viable now its almost not thanks to a crappy re(un)balance Face it shield HQ fleets are now the preEscalation equivents of the Legion VG fleets & assaults were made even crappier with the Escalation nerf... CCP get rid of the @#$!! NCN or take out a middle room of the NCNs
The MOM should be buffed so a ~35 man multibox fleet doesn't kill it so easily too. ADD some Niarja frigate waves.

There's 2 variables to this problem:

1. Your community is bad at EVE
2. Your community armor tanks

Guess which one causes you to suck at incursions...

Darth, you have been proven wrong. Please stop blameing ccp for your failure in leadership

How did that only hurt armor but not shield?