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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
9150
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:38:00 -
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Not enough coffee yet to be appropriately snarky.
-1 on this change. Like the Jukebox vanishing, this is just another change that seems to suck the soul out of the game.
On top of a couple of other reasons, I have been losing my enthusiasm for even logging in recently, and have been enjoying playing Civilization V more than EVE lately. This doesn't help matters.
These radical changes to the very heart of EVE, sorry, not changes, but eliminations, are making it into a less immersive, vivid experience.
(sarcasm) Why do we need our pretty graphics ? We could still play if all we see is a marker for our ship. Who needs to see their actual ships ?
This is a bad move CCP, and just what I expected when you crawled under the covers with Sony, tbh. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Anyura
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:51:00 -
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Krixtal wrote:...and have been enjoying playing Civilization V more than EVE lately.
If this isn't a warning sign CCP screwed up I don't know what is. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
1934
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Posted - 2013.05.22 13:57:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Invisusira wrote:Everything is first impressions. When the first thing you experience is the login screen, your first impression is "oh wow this looks amaaazzinnnggg." When the first thing you see in the launcher, followed by the login screen, it's still "oh wow this looks beautiful." Perhaps not quite as powerful, but you accept it because it's the norm these days, much like credits playing over the top of the first 5 minutes of a movie.
When the first thing you see is the launcher, followed by UI, followed by character stuff, followed by more UI, and then you're suddenly dropped into the game? It's a disjointed experience that leaves you wondering what you just logged into. Strongly agree with this. Being tossed from a launcher outside the game into the character selection screeen just cheapens the experience. The login screen set the mood, and change between login screens twice a year helped keep the game feeling fresh. Now, being dumped into character select screen at login totally removes all that from the picture. Major loss to the feel of the experience in entering the game. It has to be impressive, and it was. Now it's just weak and unimpressive. What's more, with the removal of the Log Off button, EVE went back into 1990s. I'm sorry, but in an MMO with multiple characters, having to exit the game completely just to switch between characters on the same account is INCREDIBLY weak. Look at MMOs from 2004 and even earlier, and they had the ability to log off without exiting, This only exacerbates the many problems EVE has in this general area - like the player's inability to adjust the font, or change the font size in any significant way, and many others. Just makes the game feel really even more outdated than it has to be.
Well, some CSM said that now t it would be easier to shift characters or something.
You know, well conceived shops have a "cool down" spot by the door. People will get into the shop at street walking pace and will be oblivious to almost anything you put in their way until they slow down and mentally shift to "shop mode". Actually, demanding their attention in that phase makes them uncomfortable and prone to choose shops that won't bother them while they're "getting in". This is not bullshit, it's the fruit of 50 years of analyzing customer behavior.
Yet MMOs know better and they just hope you will jump into their product with a lame launcher that does anything but launch the game when you hit it, rather will make you wait while it does some other **** like updating or whatever. Then, once the launcher stops doing its lame launcher stuff and you eventually are allowed to play, some games will let you sink into them (FAI, with a nice character pick up screen) and others will unceremoniously throw you inside.
I hope CCP makes a cool character selection screen, maybe like the race/gender screen from character creator. Such a character selection screen would display your characters as clickable portraits on top of their full avatars, waiting to be picked and get into the game. THEN, it would be great that the background of such "cool down" character selection screen was an animated scene (*hint, hint*) and some expansion-themed background music played... The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
391
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:00:00 -
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I will miss the login screen dearly. It was always something to look forward to the new ones. Launchers are soulless.
That being said, I'll get over it.
However you have now made it a whole lot more difficult for me to switch characters, which is really fuckiing annoying. Why? |
Doddy
Dark-Rising
838
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:04:00 -
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CCP has never heard of "if it isn't broken don't fix it".
I mean why did they actually do this? Soley to annoy people? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
9151
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:15:00 -
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Anyura wrote:Krixtal wrote:...and have been enjoying playing Civilization V more than EVE lately. If this isn't a warning sign CCP screwed up I don't know what is.
Ain't that a fact.
Although one doesn't 'login' to Civ, it plays some terrific music and displays various historical pictures that change when starting up.
With this change, we just sort of get drop-kicked suddenly from reality into our hangar. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
156
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:19:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:I will miss the login screen dearly. It was always something to look forward to the new ones. ^^^^
Very much this. New loading screens and music have honestly been one of my favorite things to get excited about when new expansions hit. Which sounds absolutely ridiculous. But it's true. It's one of those "little" things that just help really set the tone of the game.
Feature changes. Ship balancing. Maybe your favorite gun got nerfed. None of that matters when you're at the expansion's new login screen. For perhaps just that brief moment, everything in the game is new and exciting again. Your senses are overcome by something you have truly never experienced before, and it makes you excited to click that "Connect" button. Core Skills - train em up train em up! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7945
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:24:00 -
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Chandaris wrote:However you have now made it a whole lot more difficult for me to switch characters, which is really fuckiing annoying. Why?
It's supposed to be a first step towards easier character switching, so they made it more difficult to switch characters
It's a difficult line of logic, I know mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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Wanderinlost
Task Force MK7
4
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:30:00 -
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It would be nice if they made it possible to have multi-account login with the option to load a particular characters directly into the game. The character select is just one more additional layer of load time. |
Sarmatiko
1129
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:31:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Enjoy your CSM representatives, community! Oh and dont forget to vote next time, because your voice is "important".
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
959
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:33:00 -
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Doddy wrote:CCP has never heard of "if it isn't broken don't fix it".
I mean why did they actually do this? Soley to annoy people?
Well I guess they (CCP) want to implement a better way of switching characters (at some point in the future and this is the first mis-step). For some reason the loading screen is in their way. Or more likely it's also a loading bar, albeit a very beautiful one which will be greatly missed because it adds *just* the right amount of atmosphere prior to entering the game in contrast to an ugly launcher.
Of course CCP being CCP, their first implementation of this turned like the inventory and so many other things prior to this, into a debacle. They'll fix it of course in due time.
I'm not even surprised anymore that this went so wrong for so many with the list of things 'that go bump in the night' when it comes to CCP patches and surprise changes. At least we still have our station environments (back).
A devblog BEFORE yesterdays patch, or a big announcement would had helped preventing/controling much of the current outrage.
I'm convinced by now that sadly they'll not learn from this, they didn't from the inventory so why from this? See you in 6 month's for the next episode of 'CCP what the Fuuuuuuu you do?'. :o |
pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
491
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:42:00 -
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I believe the login screen's music and art (which changed each expansion) combined to form a piece of art and a unique user experience in a game.
They were iconic.
Removing them, while a technical advance and helpful for SSO, was implemented poorly because it just drops you to a much-less-artful character selection screen. The EVE new player experience will never be the same, and it is now a lesser experience. This is a matter of taste and elegance and whoever approved this change did not give enough merit to "this downgrades EVE as a matter of epic spaceship videogame art" factor.
CCP, please find a way to bring back the login screen art to some other part of the game -- so that people may experience what was one a high quality aspect of EVE. in-game screensaver? I don't know. But it's time for a team in Reyk to start brainstorming. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
9151
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:Chandaris wrote:However you have now made it a whole lot more difficult for me to switch characters, which is really fuckiing annoying. Why? It's supposed to be a first step towards easier character switching, so they made it more difficult to switch characters It's a difficult line of logic, I know
Actually not difficult at all.
By making it more complex, once they whip it into some semblance of where it is currently, they can then claim an 'improvement'. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Anea Ruminare
10
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:45:00 -
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What the..?
Please bring back the old login screen and please provide an answer for this change. 1 bump towards a threadnought for the sommer.
Thank you CCP, you keep us occupied.
P.S. for the guys that worried that the marketing division is driving these ******** changes, they are right. It brings conflict to the most important aspect of EVE Online, it`s forums, so enjoy.. and meet you in Lazerzzz Jita. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7947
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Posted - 2013.05.22 14:58:00 -
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pmchem wrote:I believe the login screen's music and art (which changed each expansion) combined to form a piece of art and a unique user experience in a game.
Let me emphasize that: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/press-releases/eve-online-featured-in-applied-design-moma-museum-of-modern-art-1/ mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
9153
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:17:00 -
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The unfortunate thing about this for the subscribers is that in all honesty, the login screen and music is utterly irrelevant to game play and performance.
As far as reasons for keeping it go, we don't really have any strong logical legs to stand on concerning the issue.
Same with the vanished Jukebox. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:19:00 -
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Whining about a login screen?
Pretty much one of the most pathetic whine threads of GD. And that takes really much.
Though, i can't deny a certain amusement about all the tears... "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7947
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:22:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The unfortunate thing about this for the subscribers is that in all honesty, the login screen and music is utterly irrelevant to game play and performance.
As far as reasons for keeping it go, we don't really have any strong logical legs to stand on concerning the issue.
Same with the vanished Jukebox.
It's irrelevant to people who have been playing for years and just ignore the login screen, but when you have people who feel like trying that spaceship game they read about somewhere, a login screen with a nice, artistic design looks a hell of a lot better than "log in through the launcher, get dropped into character selection, spin your ****** ibis around or walk around in a single-player closet" mine quotes from my posts at your peril, badposters
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Dring Dingle
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
27
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:24:00 -
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My favourite was the one for.. I think incursion...? Incarna ??
It was the sacrilige with lasers flying past the screen, (probably was a devoter) but had the render of a sacrilige
Anyway, it was just awesome gliding past the login shooting a few times. Something that was lost after CCP started featuring asteriods in the login screen.
:(
o7 |
Raven Solaris
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
166
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:31:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:The unfortunate thing about this for the subscribers is that in all honesty, the login screen and music is utterly irrelevant to game play and performance.
As far as reasons for keeping it go, we don't really have any strong logical legs to stand on concerning the issue.
Not necesarilly true.
"You're gonna see the first step in what I call the war on loading bars. So, I hate loading bars, I think they're old fashioned, and I'm much rather give people something beautiful." - Soundwave during the EVE Keynote.
With the new launcher, we've gone from this to this
This change is counter to the direction that CCP have said they want to go in. |
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Raven Solaris
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
166
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:32:00 -
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Sebastian N Cain wrote:Whining about a login screen?
Pretty much one of the most pathetic whine threads of GD. And that takes really much.
Though, i can't deny a certain amusement about all the tears...
"Whining."
If you want whining, go look at the 120+ page threadnaught, the posts in this thread have been pretty damn cool headed thusfar. |
Hendrick Tallardar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:33:00 -
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Bring back the art, or at least let us have the option. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
218
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:37:00 -
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Sebastian N Cain wrote:Whining about a login screen?
Pretty much one of the most pathetic whine threads of GD. And that takes really much.
Though, i can't deny a certain amusement about all the tears...
You , sir, are a tasteless toadie and a prattling poseur with absolutely no sense of style, uniqueness or flair. Your repetition of an overused meme just illustrates the fact that you are as incapable of independent thought as a rock is incapable of comprehending quantum mechanics.
The fact that you don't care about the loss of the login screen and thematic music, one of the things which used to set Eve apart from other MMOs is apparent and your opinion (wrongheaded as it is) duly noted.
Please return to the dank recesses of the nearest bridge from whence you came and resume your scaring of small children. Adults are here attempting to register their displeasure with one of CCP's latest ill conceived and poorly implemented design decisions. Thank you. |
Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
157
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:39:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Enjoy your CSM representatives, community! Oh and dont forget to vote next time, because your voice is "important". Man, now I feel bad. I probably voted for that guy because he's in my alliance.
ps don't feed the trolls. npc corps mean business Core Skills - train em up train em up! |
Merrik Talorra
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:44:00 -
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pmchem wrote:I believe the login screen's music and art (which changed each expansion) combined to form a piece of art and a unique user experience in a game.
They were iconic.
Removing them, while a technical advance and helpful for SSO, was implemented poorly because it just drops you to a much-less-artful character selection screen. The EVE new player experience will never be the same, and it is now a lesser experience. This is a matter of taste and elegance and whoever approved this change did not give enough merit to "this downgrades EVE as a matter of epic spaceship videogame art" factor.
CCP, please find a way to bring back the login screen art to some other part of the game -- so that people may experience what was one a high quality aspect of EVE. in-game screensaver? I don't know. But it's time for a team in Reyk to start brainstorming.
I agree. The music, the images, they've been an iconic part of the EVE experience. And with the loss of the jukebox I would fire up a login and let it sit just to play the nice login tunes.
Maybe the old screen could sit behind our character selection/news info? The station could spin there and the music could play. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
218
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:45:00 -
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Malcanis is an arrogant, narrowminded jerk and his response in that linked thread is not surprising. Nice dismissive attitude there.
Glad I didn't vote for him. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
9154
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:46:00 -
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Sebastian N Cain wrote:Whining about a login screen?
Pretty much one of the most pathetic whine threads of GD. And that takes really much.
Though, i can't deny a certain amusement about all the tears...
-1 troll attempt. Try harder.
Labeling this as whining is just that, your own labeling. It means nothing. -áGÇ£The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.GÇ¥-á-á - Oscar Wilde |
Arcelian
House of Praetor R O G U E
13
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:49:00 -
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Wow, this is some total bullshit. I really hope they replace it with something better, because that really, really sucks. The launcher has no flavor. |
Slutvana Khorkina
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.05.22 15:59:00 -
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What a curious thread. Usually anything that isn't "omg !!! spaceships in space!!!" is to be purged from all of Eve. Now a whole thread waxing nostalgic for a login screen and theme music. What next? Cats and dogs sleeping together?
I turned off the music the 2nd week of Eve so I guess I'm missing out on that grandeur. For what its worth, I only have 3 accounts, but find the new launcher adept at launching them as the old way. "Imagine the kind of stories people would read about EVE if the carebears got their wish. 'In EVE Online, some people mined. They arranged their mining lasers, and then they did something else for several minutes. Sign up for your free 14 day trial now!'" -- James 315 |
Vera Denjuros
Desertus Caterva
7
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Posted - 2013.05.22 16:04:00 -
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Nostalgia aside (its not something im given to) the new login/launcher screen is a step backwards in my opinion.
It looks terrible. Its cluttered, there is a ton of information on it and half of it you really dont need when you are logging in. You know there is something wrong when 9 out of 10 functions on the launcher screen sends you to a website link that is opened in a browser. How is that usefull? Instead of adding useless clutter to the launcher, add one link that sendsyou to the eve online main site if you really think people need that option. Chances are that you allready have a browser window open anyway, as that is most likely the first thing you open after booting up your pc.
Meanwhile the login/launcher screen doesnt even let you change the settings of your eve client, woops. And Im not sure about this, but it seems I cant open the launcher while I have a eve client running allready. need another client open? Nope sorry you have to close the one you are running to open the launcher... What?
The launcher screen is there to send you into the game as painlessly as possible and granted, you can now login directly from the launcher but in fact when you compare the new with the old functionality, you really arent getting much in terms of ease-of-use with the new. The only step made redundant by this new launcher? The play button on the old launcher! which could be bypassed by having a shortcut directly to the client. So really what you have done is you have replaced the old animated in-game login screen which had bucketfulls of style, with a combination launcher and login screen that is an absolute eye-sore!
This is the equivalent of google changing their simplistic and functional style, with something that looks like freakin' yahoo. |
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