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Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 408	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:21:00 - [31] - Quote It has nothing to do with SP, but rather who has the most and best ships. That and FC's who aren't incompetent. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 4	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:24:00 - [32] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: It has nothing to do with SP, but rather who has the most and best ships. That and FC's who aren't incompetent. Need SP for best ships. More pilots = more SP = naturally, win.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2136	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:24:00 - [33] - Quote OP how about I roll a new character and train some basic skills, and we fight? You can use whatever you want. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 408	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:26:00 - [34] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: It has nothing to do with SP, but rather who has the most and best ships. That and FC's who aren't incompetent. Need SP for best ships. More pilots = more SP = naturally, win. Well if we are talking about collective numbers then yeah, but what the OP was saying is that pilots with the most SP win all the time. 100 day old characters in frigs can beat a 5 year old character in a battleship. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Drachiel Mercury LLC 23	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:28:00 - [35] - Quote Hohohohohohoho. No. I killed a daredevil in a tech I frigate the other day.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 4018	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:28:00 - [36] - Quote OP, show us on the doll where the naughty blob touched your ship. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
xttz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 88	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:28:00 - [37] - Quote This thread is the best troll. And by best I mean worst, of course.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 699	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:29:00 - [38] - Quote You are just very VERY bad in this game. This is all. "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 4	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:29:00 - [39] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: It has nothing to do with SP, but rather who has the most and best ships. That and FC's who aren't incompetent. Need SP for best ships. More pilots = more SP = naturally, win. Well if we are talking about collective numbers then yeah, but what the OP was saying is that pilots with the most SP win all the time. 100 day old characters in frigs can beat a 5 year old character in a battleship. Bring enough of them to outmass his SP, and sure, why not? Eugene Kerner wrote: You are just very VERY bad in this game. This is all. Of course I am. No SP = bad. It's just hard to do anything about it.
CompleteFailure Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement 34	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:32:00 - [40] - Quote OP, you have no idea how wrong you are. Check this vid from Scaurus's live stream a few nights ago: http://www.twitch.tv/themittanidotcom/b/405319686 Scaurus is a highly experienced PVPer who has been around for quite a while. At about the 1:57:00 mark, he accepts a challenge from a corp mate of mine, Dash Ing, who merely wanted to give him a good fight for the audience. Dash is about 3-4 moths old. This fight is a Merlin vs. an Incursus, a pretty fair 1v1 matchup. As you see in the video, Scaurus all but has the fight locked down...but OH ****!! I BURNT OUT MY GUNS!! The fight went to Dash, who in a very Gentlemanly display, decided to let him go when he got through the Merlin's armor. Just goes to show, even experienced pilots make mistakes, and very inexperienced pilots need only take advantage to turn the tide. Stop whining, get a clue, and HTFU.

Grimpak Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce 850	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:33:00 - [41] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Need SP for best ships. "best" is relative, as everything else in this game, xcept stupidity, which is so absolute that it delves into the absurd. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Rhea Rankin Nolen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:34:00 - [42] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: It has nothing to do with SP, but rather who has the most and best ships. That and FC's who aren't incompetent. Need SP for best ships. More pilots = more SP = naturally, win. No SP will save you from a guy with better piloting skills and better knowledge of game mechanics. You can always buy the most pimped SP char on the bazaar, but if you're a n00b, you're a n00b. piloting skills > skill points
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 4	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:35:00 - [43] - Quote CompleteFailure wrote: OP, you have no idea how wrong you are. Check this vid from Scaurus's live stream a few nights ago: http://www.twitch.tv/themittanidotcom/b/405319686 Scaurus is a highly experienced PVPer who has been around for quite a while. At about the 1:57:00 mark, he accepts a challenge from a corp mate of mine, Dash Ing, who merely wanted to give him a good fight for the audience. Dash is about 3-4 moths old. This fight is a Merlin vs. an Incursus, a pretty fair 1v1 matchup. As you see in the video, Scaurus all but has the fight locked down...but OH ****!! I BURNT OUT MY GUNS!! The fight went to Dash, who in a very Gentlemanly display, decided to let him go when he got through the Merlin's armor. Just goes to show, even experienced pilots make mistakes, and very inexperienced pilots need only take advantage to turn the tide. Stop whining, get a clue, and HTFU. So a single mistake due to lazyness is enough to keep it in your memory for ages, just cuz I BROKE THE MORE SP TO WIN RULE ONCE, SEE?! Lame. Just one case of the iron rule violation? Just ONE? You don't sound so convincing.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2136	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:36:00 - [44] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: OP how about I roll a new character and train some basic skills, and we fight? You can use whatever you want. Op you haven't responded, so I just want to reiterate that this offer still stands. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 4	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:36:00 - [45] - Quote Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: It has nothing to do with SP, but rather who has the most and best ships. That and FC's who aren't incompetent. Need SP for best ships. More pilots = more SP = naturally, win. No SP will save you from a guy with better piloting skills and better knowledge of game mechanics. You can always buy the most pimped SP char on the bazaar, but if you're a n00b, you're a n00b. piloting skills > skill points Except piloting skills are skillpoints.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 4	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:37:00 - [46] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: OP how about I roll a new character and train some basic skills, and we fight? You can use whatever you want. Op you haven't responded, so I just want to reiterate that this offer still stands. It is pointless, formula would just get proved again, and the lowest thing on my wishlist is ANOTHER proof of it.
ian papabear North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 109	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:38:00 - [47] - Quote I said this before and i will continue to say it, SP is not a determining factor in pvp. yeah itll help with your deeps, tracking, speed, etc, but what really matters is tactics. Back in the day before the cane was nerfed I would fit my 425mm shield cane with two neuts and take on ANYTHING up to bs, my cane at the time put out nearly 1k dps, i would take on tech3's and aboslutely abolish them . anyway, the point is, know what you are doing and you can participate in pvp no matter how low skilled you are. as far as content goes, PVP is driven by the players, not CCP, it is up to you and I to build ships and fight each other. all these nullsec/highsec/lowsec fleets fights are driven by players who want to control space/regions/areas that CCP doesnt care about. if you want to pvp then go out and fight someone, blow this or that guy up becasue he called you a douche, or go fight him because you dont like his alliance tag, or jsut fight him,,,, just to fight him . again, its up to you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNReV76PtqM
baltec1 Bat Country 6574	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:38:00 - [48] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Except piloting skills are skillpoints. No piloting skills are piloting skills. SP has nothing at all to do with it.
Prince Kobol 760	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:39:00 - [49] - Quote The OP has so much its actually quite sad, I fear for our butthurt friend that he might do something like go back to wow
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 4	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:40:00 - [50] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Except piloting skills are skillpoints. No piloting skills are piloting skills. SP has nothing at all to do with it. Whoever has more SP wins. Winner is said to have more piloting skills than the loser. So either they're the same or very closely related.

Gnaw LF AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 413	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:40:00 - [51] - Quote 0/10 - left dissapointed
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 4	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:41:00 - [52] - Quote ian papabear wrote: I said this before and i will continue to say it, SP is not a determining factor in pvp. yeah itll help with your deeps, tracking, speed, etc, but what really matters is tactics. Back in the day before the cane was nerfed I would fit my 425mm shield cane with two neuts and take on ANYTHING up to bs, my cane at the time put out nearly 1k dps, i would take on tech3's and aboslutely abolish them . anyway, the point is, know what you are doing and you can participate in pvp no matter how low skilled you are. as far as content goes, PVP is driven by the players, not CCP, it is up to you and I to build ships and fight each other. all these nullsec/highsec/lowsec fleets fights are driven by players who want to control space/regions/areas that CCP doesnt care about. if you want to pvp then go out and fight someone, blow this or that guy up becasue he called you a douche, or go fight him because you dont like his alliance tag, or jsut fight him,,,, just to fight him . again, its up to you. What's the point of getting into a fight you have no chance to win due to lack of SP?
Dyphorus Volition Cult The Volition Cult 20	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:41:00 - [53] - Quote Strategy and tactics win in EVE. The right ships, fit in the appropriate manner, the right amount of ships, engaging as needed in a given situation. SP beyond the basic requirement's to properly fly/fit your ship of choice are irrelevant. How many of my 25-30 mil SP do you think mattered to the bomber I @$%# on last night in my 4 mil isk Tristan last night? A simple fit that a new pilot could train into, and afford to fly, within a month.
CompleteFailure Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement 34	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:42:00 - [54] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: CompleteFailure wrote: OP, you have no idea how wrong you are. Check this vid from Scaurus's live stream a few nights ago: http://www.twitch.tv/themittanidotcom/b/405319686 Scaurus is a highly experienced PVPer who has been around for quite a while. At about the 1:57:00 mark, he accepts a challenge from a corp mate of mine, Dash Ing, who merely wanted to give him a good fight for the audience. Dash is about 3-4 moths old. This fight is a Merlin vs. an Incursus, a pretty fair 1v1 matchup. As you see in the video, Scaurus all but has the fight locked down...but OH ****!! I BURNT OUT MY GUNS!! The fight went to Dash, who in a very Gentlemanly display, decided to let him go when he got through the Merlin's armor. Just goes to show, even experienced pilots make mistakes, and very inexperienced pilots need only take advantage to turn the tide. Stop whining, get a clue, and HTFU. So a single mistake due to lazyness is enough to keep it in your memory for ages, just cuz I BROKE THE MORE SP TO WIN RULE ONCE, SEE?! Lame. Just one case of the iron rule violation? Just ONE? You don't sound so convincing. This is just one example, yes, but it happens ALL THE TIME. Older players tend to get overconfident against newer players, and quite often it gets them killed. And no, SP does not equal piloting skill. One allows you to fit and fly the ship, the other let's you fly it competently. Again, as in the vid, letting that experience and skill lapse can cost you the fight. I'm sorry you simply haven't figured out how to do it, but that is the reality.
ian papabear North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 109	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:43:00 - [55] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: ian papabear wrote: I said this before and i will continue to say it, SP is not a determining factor in pvp. yeah itll help with your deeps, tracking, speed, etc, but what really matters is tactics. Back in the day before the cane was nerfed I would fit my 425mm shield cane with two neuts and take on ANYTHING up to bs, my cane at the time put out nearly 1k dps, i would take on tech3's and aboslutely abolish them . anyway, the point is, know what you are doing and you can participate in pvp no matter how low skilled you are. as far as content goes, PVP is driven by the players, not CCP, it is up to you and I to build ships and fight each other. all these nullsec/highsec/lowsec fleets fights are driven by players who want to control space/regions/areas that CCP doesnt care about. if you want to pvp then go out and fight someone, blow this or that guy up becasue he called you a douche, or go fight him because you dont like his alliance tag, or jsut fight him,,,, just to fight him . again, its up to you. What's the point of getting into a fight you have no chance to win due to lack of SP? the same way a police officer is thrown out into the street after 6months in the academy, to gain experience, get a feel for the job, adapt styles and learn ways to handle situations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNReV76PtqM
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 149	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:44:00 - [56] - Quote Poop. If you wanted to say, fly T2 fitted cruisers, you need 10m SP....if you want to fly T2 frigs, then another couple of mill This gives exactly the same SP in that ship as if you had 100m SP overall. You can get a T2 fitted frig with a few million. As others say, all you get from extra SP is a wider choice of ships, which is nice if you want it. You can have 100m SP, but if you have little pvp experience, and you go up against a newbie who has spent all his time throwing ships around in PvP, and you have a buffer tank on.....you can, and will (eventually) die to their frig. "You need moar SP to do PvP" is as valid as "You need moar isk to trade", as in, it isn't Sure, if you want to fly a Black Ops / Titan / [ Insert BIIIIG ship here] then you need SP, but, hell, you can get into a fitted widow with around 20m if you specialise. YMMV but, I am 24d out of my Widow fitting with 24m SP, and thats because I took a minor detour into trade training. You are confusing "skill points" with "skill", which comes with practice.
ian papabear North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 109	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:44:00 - [57] - Quote anyone who says SP is a determinant factor in pvp is bad and should feel bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNReV76PtqM
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 4	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:44:00 - [58] - Quote Dyphorus wrote: Strategy and tactics win in EVE. The right ships, fit in the appropriate manner, the right amount of ships, engaging as needed in a given situation. SP beyond the basic requirement's to properly fly/fit your ship of choice are irrelevant. How many of my 25-30 mil SP do you think mattered to the bomber I @$%# on last night in my 4 mil isk Tristan last night? A simple fit that a new pilot could train into, and afford to fly, within a month. Once you get to the basic requirements you need to beat a guy, he gets the basic requirements for beating your beater. The process is infinite and you're always getting the short end of this stick, if you have lower SP.
Grimpak Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce 850	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:45:00 - [59] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: baltec1 wrote: Basil Pupkin wrote: Except piloting skills are skillpoints. No piloting skills are piloting skills. SP has nothing at all to do with it. Whoever has more SP wins. Winner is said to have more piloting skills than the loser. So either they're the same or very closely related. ok I have industry maxed out, science maxed out and I lose to a 5mil SP character in a destroyer. man I must fail quite hard since I wasn't able to kill a decent destroyer pilot in a noobship and all that SP! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Bi-Mi Lansatha Tactical Universal Research and Development Omnium Libertatem 153	Posted - 2013.05.22 20:45:00 - [60] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: It saddens me that I wasted so much time on a game which pretends to be a PvP game, while having no PvP side whatsoever. Eve "PvP" formula is simple as wood - more SP wins. You have an account created later than 2007-2008? Automatic defeat at every attempt of pvping. So, my question is, when eve is getting PvP which depends on something other than pure blob of bigger SP? As a an 8 month old player, I will say this... bullshit. How many skill points do you think you can put into a ship class and support skills before you max it out?



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