Goons are good, honest, hardworking and industrious people and have gotten a bad rap because of the greedy highsec mining lobbyists.

Just read this.

Tldr, had more words than your likes.

Anything on Mitannil is garbage.

words

Also when do you want Providence burned to ash?

You sound like a Goon alt trying to obscure their history. Well played yourself.

However, they are astonishingly poor winners who pay $10 to belong to the "winning" team. Their main tactic is to make other players so miserable that they leave the game. Their "leader" advocated driving other players to suicide. google Mittani art of war for more on that philosophy.

Something Awful forums is a business model that has made 1.5 million + dollars on subscriptions and has a substantial add revenue due to its subscribers. Whether or not some of this money is used to help the Goons along is impossible to ascertain. However what is undeniable is that someone has a very nice life because of Goon success.

It is this probable smashentment of RL money and influence with a game that makes people despise them. Its like the obnoxious guy who buys cheat codes and then brags about how he kicks ass.

Show me on the doll where the bad goon touched you

Also when do you want Providence burned to ash?

Whether or not some of this money is used to help the Goons along is impossible to ascertain. However what is undeniable is that someone has a very nice life because of Goon success.

It is this probable smashentment of RL money and influence with a game that makes people despise them. Its like the obnoxious guy who buys cheat codes and then brags about how he kicks ass.

You sound like a Goon alt trying to obscure their history. Well played yourself.

However, they are astonishingly poor winners who pay $10 to belong to the "winning" team. Their main tactic is to make other players so miserable that they leave the game. Their "leader" advocated driving other players to suicide. google Mittani art of war for more on that philosophy.

Something Awful forums is a business model that has made 1.5 million + dollars on subscriptions and has a substantial add revenue due to its subscribers. Whether or not some of this money is used to help the Goons along is impossible to ascertain. However what is undeniable is that someone has a very nice life because of Goon success.

It is this probable smashentment of RL money and influence with a game that makes people despise them. Its like the obnoxious guy who buys cheat codes and then brags about how he kicks ass.

I am a gamer Andski, I disrespect Goons because they don't respect the game. I feel that SA has brought something akin to steroids or player gambling into the equation. It skews the results and is disrespectful to the creators and the other participants.

One of the things that I like about NRDS is that it will always exist in stark contrast to goons regardless if Providence is home or not.

I feel that SA has brought something akin to steroids or player gambling into the equation. It skews the results and is disrespectful to the creators and the other participants.

One of the things that I like about NRDS is that it will always exist in stark contrast to goons regardless if Providence is home or not.

First of all, I'm not sure if this belongs in the general or the alliance/corp dicussions. vov I'll risk it anyway

As I have been playing actively for about a year or two now, I've been trying to figure out why I have this mental alignment to hate the Goons. Maybe it's their popularity, maybe the fact fedoras died in the 70's, or if Mister Shadoo of PL's face makes me laugh more. So I ask of any member of the Goonswarm that passes by, what's your game? I have a difficult time thinking you're pirates. It's not the usual MO of the sociopaths of low-sec. I want to hear a Goon's thought of what they are and their alignments to the EVE universe are. Let's face it though, I'll probably only get a snark comment.

Thanks for reading!

The reason for the goon hate is because they donGÇÖt respect the game or the gaming community. They exploit every aspect of the game and try to manipulate every exploitable situation to suite them regardless of how it effects the game or the people in it.

With that said In any organization both good and bad people can be found, but in bad organizations you seldom see the good people in charge. The few control the many.

We respect the game, we just don't respect bad posting

Wars have been started over bad posting

Eve is about inclusion, of bringing players into the game.

Its very interesting how this "innocent" OP has escalated. And really how you have taken such offence to the opinion of one poster.

You sound like a Goon alt trying to obscure their history.

Seriously though, it looks like it depends on the goon and their strategy.

I described goons perfectly in my fanfest presentation a few years ago. Stop making threads over and over asking the same question when there's plenty of content to fill your pubbie heads with readily available to you to form your own decisions.

You sound pissed. I'm sorry to hear that a little bit of ignorance has become a jab in the chest for you. I will now go back to my hole and leave your little place of heaven.

In all seriousness, you should probably know that not everyone bothers(d) to watch the alliance panel or dig through years of posts.

I am a gamer Andski, I disrespect Goons because they don't respect the game. I feel that SA has brought something akin to steroids or player gambling into the equation. It skews the results and is disrespectful to the creators and the other participants.

One of the things that I like about NRDS is that it will always exist in stark contrast to goons regardless if Providence is home or not.

If you want to understand the success and consequential fear the uninitiated have for goons, you need to understand that their leadership is more hard-working and autistic than any other. The only reason they're able to treat New Eden as their personal prison shower is because those selfless director level goons lay down the vast majority of their social life as a perfect offering to the greater goon.

Not really, we just have a lot of directors

Eve is about inclusion, of bringing players into the game. SA is about elitism and 10 bux. Its very interesting how this "innocent" OP has escalated. And really how you have taken such offence to the opinion of one poster.

Goons aren't going to Providence. Quit blowing smoke.

Goons are as boring as they sound. The most they can do is attack defenseless ships via suicide ganks because the general player skill in Goon is pretty abysmal.

It's pretty well accepted why you guys turn to 'player generated content' such as jita burn, since ya'll are worthless in null.

...
Corey- your argument seems flawed to me. Goons are in fact part of the game. Is the game about inclusion, as you say? I don't know if it is about inclusion or not, but your argument is off. What it seems like is you just don't like Goons or the way they play the game. That is a different matter and completely your perogative. They create a particular boundary in the game that gives it meaning for them in various ways. So do you. In fact, Goons as other constitute part of your boundary condition n almost exactly the same way the 'pubbies' constitute an asserted boundary condition for Goons.

Just read this.

Tldr, had more words than your likes.

Anything on Mitannil is garbage.

Also, you should probably read this.

goons are bad because they pay to post on a forum. that's all.

The OP seemed to be asking what the animosity towards Goons was all about. My post was a look at them through the lens of uproar and discontent that leads towards negative feelings for them.

The really interesting thing is the reaction to that opinion; they seem very unhappy and offended.

Goons aren't going to Providence. Quit blowing smoke.

Goons are as boring as they sound. The most they can do is attack defenseless ships via suicide ganks because the general player skill in Goon is pretty abysmal.

It's pretty well accepted why you guys turn to 'player generated content' such as jita burn, since ya'll are worthless in null.

Good god, what happened to my thread? Well, since we're all here... I'm going to love seeing goons scramble to find new moon goo after Odyessy hits. What shall ensue? We can only wait.

Goonies, try not to break each others skulls in. It kills your brain cells.

We've long since rotted our brains with subpar alcoholic slop. Have you ever heard DBRB scream on a video? We're all that drunk ALL THE TIME.

-snip

Came here to read the question and give a neutral unbiased response about goons.

Found Goon line grunts threatening to *burn provi*.

Well done EVE-O, you caught me off guard there.

Also, shouldn't there be some Provi-bloc RP going on? Like... "Corey Fumishitposter roars, 'Ye foul goons are all naught but a bunch of besotted nerfherders! Begone from EVE or thou shalt feel the wrath of my Tormentor in your backsides!' "

Hey, you are pretty good! You should totally join, you sound like CVA Director material to me!

But yeah, stop badposting.

Your opinion is shared my a healthy majority of the space proletariate, usually through ignorance, defeat, opposition, bile or heresay and thats fine. You are more than free to sit in your ship, gripping your knees and crowing "GOOOOOOOOOOOONS" to your hearts content.
But speculating on money is one step short of falling into the REAL tinfoil end of the spectrum where all Null powerblocs are just RMT cartels and we're all jetting round in RL corvettes bought with ill gotten ISK or whatever it is that month. And that's just not healthy.

Anything on Mitannil is garbage.

Got some proof?

Goons...

Imagine a social construct that attracts the worst that humanity has to offer.
The pool (or cesspool) that the goon's draw from runs the gamut from the equivalent of the taliban, to goldman sachs' VP's, to the koch rrothers, to reality show producers.

The people that enjoy the style of play that goons espouse is one that the sociopaths and psychopaths of the world aspire to.
That is what the culture of the goons is all about.

Don't get me wrong. Their leadership is far from stupid. In fact, they are quite intelligent. It is simply that they are evil.

But overall, the kind of people that enjoy the goons' playstyle are the same ones that enjoy hurting other people in real life, and believe that their ability to hurt other people is their right, if they can pull it off. Oh, and gloating about it makes it all the more enjoyable.

Their motto says it all. " we don't want to ruin THE game, just YOUR game."

Asking for proof of an opinion. You win the thread.

It must be hard to be so irrelevant that you have to post to G-D to get someone to acknowledge you. To the rest of Nulsec, Providence and CVA are something of a running joke, ignored largely because Providence is literally the worst region in the game, outstripping even Syndicate for lack of good moons, good PVPers, and worst of all, good posters.

Indeed, Providence truly is the only place in the game aside from high sec where I can follow around a fleet with a neutral alt and not get blown up.

it's a /b/ behind a pay barrier....

love them or hate them. they create content. every one likes content.

Goons...

Imagine a social construct that attracts the worst that humanity has to offer.
The pool (or cesspool) that the goon's draw from runs the gamut from the equivalent of the taliban, to goldman sachs' VP's, to the koch rrothers, to reality show producers.

The people that enjoy the style of play that goons espouse is one that the sociopaths and psychopaths of the world aspire to.
That is what the culture of the goons is all about.

Don't get me wrong. Their leadership is far from stupid. In fact, they are quite intelligent. It is simply that they are evil.

But overall, the kind of people that enjoy the goons' playstyle are the same ones that enjoy hurting other people in real life, and believe that their ability to hurt other people is their right, if they can pull it off. Oh, and gloating about it makes it all the more enjoyable.

Their motto says it all. " we don't want to ruin THE game, just YOUR game."

I'm willing to assume you kill hundreds of millions of innocent NPCs that crew the red crosses you destroy.

You evil, sadistic, heartless murderer.

Throw him in a padded room and lock away the key, this man is clearly a psychopath for his actions in a game.

However, they are astonishingly poor winners who pay $10 to belong to the "winning" team. Their main tactic is to make other players so miserable that they leave the game. Their "leader" advocated driving other players to suicide. google Mittani art of war for more on that philosophy.

First of all, I'm not sure if this belongs in the general or the alliance/corp dicussions. vov I'll risk it anyway

As I have been playing actively for about a year or two now, I've been trying to figure out why I have this mental alignment to hate the Goons. Maybe it's their popularity, maybe the fact fedoras died in the 70's, or if Mister Shadoo of PL's face makes me laugh more. So I ask of any member of the Goonswarm that passes by, what's your game? I have a difficult time thinking you're pirates. It's not the usual MO of the sociopaths of low-sec. I want to hear a Goon's thought of what they are and their alignments to the EVE universe are. Let's face it though, I'll probably only get a snark comment.

Thanks for reading!

there is nothing to understand , they become part of the lore like it or not just like the neadentalers from the last iceage

that's because your only exposure to goonswarm was losing your poorly fit hulk to a suicide gank

we have always encouraged goons to go out to highsec and flog the wildlife regardless of how well we do in 0.0, even after having conquered every region in 0.0 at some point in time, except immensea and providence

The reason for the goon hate is because they donGÇÖt respect the game or the gaming community. They exploit every aspect of the game and try to manipulate every exploitable situation to suite them regardless of how it effects the game or the people in it.

With that said In any organization both good and bad people can be found, but in bad organizations you seldom see the good people in charge. The few control the many.

You missed out the word, 'did'

The Goon planned and executed Ice Interdiction, was the single best player created event in my time in Eve. It was original, fun and had a purpose which affected the Eve universe.

Burn Jita was just an attention seeking exercise in futility, with no real effect on the Eve universe. Just lots of folk sacrificing their ships to Concord.

To repeat Burn Jita is evidence that the folk in the goons who can and did come up with great gameplay seem to have run out of ideas.

Shame really.

Show me on the doll where the bad goon touched you

Also when do you want Providence burned to ash?

Wow, there's so many idiotic statements in this post. But for now I'll function on your forum ignorance.

The physical forum entity known as "Something Awful" has no link with EvE Goons. The SA forums are run by a guy called Lowtax. The $10 joining fee serves a purpose besides sweet monies.
It makes for a perfect idiot filter. Trolls, spammers and career retards are not particularly keen on paying $10 again to rejoin again upon getting banned. Thats like saying that Reddit funds Dreddit through gold subscriptions.

While for different reasons, it's one thing CVA and Goons share.

Everyone loves to hate on them and for no personal reason.

Please do it, it would be funny.

It must be hard to be so irrelevant that you have to post to G-D to get someone to acknowledge you. To the rest of Nulsec, Providence and CVA are something of a running joke, ignored largely because Providence is literally the worst region in the game, outstripping even Syndicate for lack of good moons, good PVPers, and worst of all, good posters.

Indeed, Providence truly is the only place in the game aside from high sec where I can follow around a fleet with a neutral alt and not get blown up.

I did that once. It wasn't fun after CVA literally collapsed after losing one system.

I still have nightmares about all those station grinds

I did that once. It wasn't fun after CVA literally collapsed after losing one system.

I still have nightmares about all those station grinds

Judging by your employment history you were in either -A- or Engarde [lolengarde].

Either way, they dont seem to be around anymore for some unfathomable reason.

And yet here we are...



Wait, wasnt this thread supposed to be about Goons?

You missed out the word, 'did'

The Goon planned and executed Ice Interdiction, was the single best player created event in my time in Eve. It was original, fun and had a purpose which affected the Eve universe.

Burn Jita was just an attention seeking exercise in futility, with no real effect on the Eve universe. Just lots of folk sacrificing their ships to Concord.

To repeat Burn Jita is evidence that the folk in the goons who can and did come up with great gameplay seem to have run out of ideas.

Shame really.

LOL - this guy. It'd take me all week to count the times goons have failed epically in Provi compaired to the 2 minutes it'd take to count the times they've been successful.

so what you're saying is, content is only content if you call it content?

doesn't matter how many times they burn jita, even if they did it every week and it lost all meaning it's still going to be content.

the sad part is that nobody wants providence because it's worthless, and even if we burned the whole place to ash it'd only take 3 weeks to get back to sov 3 and have jump bridges again

there is literally only one reason CVA still holds sov and that is because you hold the worst region in the game, and unless a surprising number of R64s are seeded there this June, it simply won't be worth the grind

I'm not in CVA you clown. I just enjoy watching goons make excuses for failings. Maybe I'm in Goons for that matter

I'm not in CVA you clown. I just enjoy watching goons make excuses for failings. Maybe I'm in Goons for that matter

Station spinning for hours is content as well then, in this context.

You sound like a Goon alt trying to obscure their history. Well played yourself.

However, they are astonishingly poor winners who pay $10 to belong to the "winning" team. Their main tactic is to make other players so miserable that they leave the game. Their "leader" advocated driving other players to suicide. google Mittani art of war for more on that philosophy.

Something Awful forums is a business model that has made 1.5 million + dollars on subscriptions and has a substantial add revenue due to its subscribers. Whether or not some of this money is used to help the Goons along is impossible to ascertain. However what is undeniable is that someone has a very nice life because of Goon success.

It is this probable smashentment of RL money and influence with a game that makes people despise them. Its like the obnoxious guy who buys cheat codes and then brags about how he kicks ass.

Wait... your trolling now, right? Because if not, this is the best scam.. errr.. business model evah! So you set up a forum where you ask people to pay 10 buck to pass the idiot filter. So actually even if your a complete nut, the teen buck will make you a genius. I'm not even laughing... if this is true, it's fukin brilliant! Every day I learn something new!

However, they are astonishingly poor winners who pay $10 to belong to the "winning" team.

Case in point a post like yours would get you banned just for terrible spelling and grammar.

My first experience with the goons was in Age of Conan. Goonheim. Those bastards would gather oars, shovels, rakes, and your buddies severed arm and beat u with it. And there would be swarms of them! Buggers are like army ants. The tactics they use are rather hideously evil. gg

See this is why we need a corpse cannon.

First of all, I'm not sure if this belongs in the general or the alliance/corp dicussions. vov I'll risk it anyway

As I have been playing actively for about a year or two now, I've been trying to figure out why I have this mental alignment to hate the Goons. Maybe it's their popularity, maybe the fact fedoras died in the 70's, or if Mister Shadoo of PL's face makes me laugh more. So I ask of any member of the Goonswarm that passes by, what's your game? I have a difficult time thinking you're pirates. It's not the usual MO of the sociopaths of low-sec. I want to hear a Goon's thought of what they are and their alignments to the EVE universe are. Let's face it though, I'll probably only get a snark comment.

Thanks for reading!

Posting in a "WE ARE STILL RELEVANT GOON ALT THREAD"

Everyone pays $10, idiots get their accounts banned and don't get their money back, it's not rocket science. The mods are merciless assholes. Case in point a post like yours would get you banned just for terrible spelling and grammar.

we're talking about player made content, so no, ship spinning isn't content in this context.

So you're saying a player spinning themselves in a station isn't content? The logic here is strong.

CCP created a game where it is possible to lie, cheat, scam, and generally be a jerk.

Some players get tremendously angry at the idea that some other players may actually take advantage of these possibilities.

Help me understand why people feel the need to talk about/badmouth/malign goons.

For real.

Eve is about inclusion, of bringing players into the game. SA is about elitism and 10 bux. Its very interesting how this "innocent" OP has escalated. And really how you have taken such offence to the opinion of one poster.

the difference is made by actions against the living

And tipiea or whatever, I dont hate complexity, but why would I read propaganda. It would be like reading how great North Korea is if North Korea had its own publication.

I'm literally an avatar of pent up aggression who is about to snap at any minute because of how I behave in a video game.

one of life's great mysteries, like the pyramids, the oceans, or women.

the difference is made by actions against the living

You are wrong, there is no difference. IT IS A VIDEO GAME YOU ******* DOLT. One does not have to be a goon to understand that.

Players who bring content into the game are always nice, and from what I've seen in burn jita2 it was rarely loss of ships for the goons.The freighters were cherry picked so that they were really worth ganking or at the least not at loss.

oh well and when you did destroy toys of the other kids when you where young, it was just toys right?

Do you whine like this when someone checks you in chess?

you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff

in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them...

this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though

you're playing the wrong game.

you do not understand the difference of a challange where both agree upon and just some people who want to destroy stuff of others who do not want to fight but just build stuff

in this game all fine if people want to fight, but there are also people who just want to build stuff, I would never attack those... however the goons philosophy is exactly that, for me not different as those kids i was talking about, who just destroy the toys of other kids and make fun of them...

this is shameful and not honorable, a question of character... big wars just for the challange all fine for me though

Do you whine like this when someone checks you in chess?

you are understanding it wrong, its the same no matter within a game or in real life, you decide who you are

so if i understand correctly

anyone who demands pirates not shoot people who don't want to be shot in a game about exactly that is trying to break the pirate's toy and therefore is a horrible psycho who must be stopped for the good of society

(ps are 'big wars just for the challenge' all fine for you in real life, too?)

you're playing the wrong game.

Yeah, guess the only acceptable way to play the game is the way that goons and their kind dictate.

This whole "sandbox" (what an idiotic term)

The people that want to play a style of game that more equates with how people operate in a civilized world, are at a disadvantage, when going up against organizations that would be the equivalent to enormously powerful criminal / terrorist organizations in the real world. Those law-abiding people can exist, but the game constructs do have the checks that the real world does to keep evil people, however slightly, at bay.

And as for this game being "only pixels", I find it interesting that commentators on the game always assign a real life currency value on losses in big battles, and how people will do just about anything to get on a titan kill. I have listened to the rage of people like Shaddoo (look him up on YouTube). Tell me that this is "only a game" to people like him.

If the mafia, the koch brothers, and the people running a plethora of multi-national corporations were not so busy in real life, they would be right at home in Eve, and would be working with the failed lawyer, or fighting to usurp him and take over his operations for their own personal gain.

STUFF

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wars need to happen if two parties can not come to a conclusion otherwise, at that point both will want that war I'm talking about, however hurting the innocent is shameful, starting war with someone who is not aggressing back as well, everybody has to make his decision on his own, you can feel if it is needed and there is no other solution or if it is just a shameful act

Wars are rarely started because both sides want it & it's the same in reality. You seem to have a limited grasp on reality.

And as for this game being "only pixels", I find it interesting that commentators on the game always assign a real life currency value on losses in big battles.

It's done so people who don't play the game can get a sense of how valuable the losses were, since isk can be equated to an appoximate value due to PLEX. They're not saying "These people sunk $40000 in to EVE & lost it all in a battle".

Wars are rarely started because both sides want it & it's the same in reality. You seem to have a limited grasp on reality.

Yeah, guess the only acceptable way to play the game is the way that goons and their kind dictate.
This whole "sandbox" (what an idiotic term) that CCP that supposedly has developed, which is supposed to cater to a multitude of playstyles...guess that did not happen.

Goons are members of the Something Awful forum community. Many goons that play EVE are members of Goonswarm Federation. They play the game however the hell they want, just like everyone else.

I'm not sure what is difficult for people to understand about that.

everyone who doesn't think they're a part is merely a pawn or target practice in the game of space thrones

they are incredibly opportunistic. they care very little about allies and even less about small corps or other alliances. they do care about the community of eve which is refreshing given goons past history in other games.

for example the second life incident, if im not mistaken goons created a gremlin type creature that shut the servers down. they usually swarm from one game to another to usually cause more harm than good.

so just keep that in mind when dealing with them and never trust them or rely on them unless you know 100% what your trusting them to do or with is in their personal interest.

Goons are members of the Something Awful forum community. Many goons that play EVE are members of Goonswarm Federation. They play the game however the hell they want, just like everyone else.

I'm not sure what is difficult for people to understand about that.

People join and leave Goonswarm every day, does dropping your roles in goons somehow change your brain anatomy and change your personality?

tldr; I can understand the posts where people say they like/dislike Goons as an organisation, but the people saying *a goon is this* or *a goon is that* are just being retarted.

that's exactly what happened, and that's why the acceptable way to play the game is the way that you dictate yourself. One way of doing that is to let others dictate your game for you because you can't/won't take control yourself.

The game caters for any play style you choose, if you are able to secure it for yourself. But that's just it: you have to do it GÇö the game won't do it for you.

Why do goons do what they do? Couldn't tell you, but I do what I do because I want to have fun while playing a video game. Pretty simple really.

I'll never understand why people think we're so different from them and need to be analyzed.

Let me put it this way:

We analyze the Goons purely because you're so different. We don't understand how you can derive pleasure from harassing people into quitting a game, particularly upon considering that each person you drive away, or harass to the point of 'I'm not coming back', is one less subscriber to keep this game going.

You see, your actions are counter-intuitive: you want to have fun playing the game, but you want to do that by making other people less inclined to play.. In essence: while the vast majority of EvE's player population wants to help grow the game and attract subscribers, you appear to desire the exact opposite.

If you drive enough people away -- however unlikely this is to actually happen -- CCP may even decide that EvE isn't profitable to operate any more. At that point, congratulations -- you've shut down a business and forced dozens of people out of work.

You act without understanding the self-destructive nature of your behavior.

That's why we think you're deserving of analysis.

In essence: while the vast majority of EvE's player population wants to help grow the game and attract subscribers, you appear to desire the exact opposite.

Which part demonstrates their lack of respect for the game?

Their tireless efforts to provide content? (Burn Jita 1 and 2, Hulkageddon, the ice interdictions, probably more null stuff of which im unaware)

The thousands of hours their members have spent providing Eve with it's only *real* news site? (If you say EN24, then we have nothing further to discuss)

The untold man hours spent maintaining and growing their space empire to provide a home for their vast membership?

Maybe it is the development of Evemon that demonstrates this lack of respect? Or the former goons who moved on to help develop the game?

Wait! Let me guess! You must be a high sec whine...err... miner? Thats the only conclusion I can draw from your ignorant ill informed ranting.

People like you need to seriously get over yourselves. Goons ganking your freighter =/= Goons not respecting the game or community.

Tell me I'm cherry picking if you want, but please tell me more about how goons don't bring in new players pretty much every day.

i'm sorry that we can't live the thrill a minute life of the highsec "please make it unprofitable to flog me mercilessly" miner

Right, goons donGÇÖt want to fight other trained and skilled or fitted pvp pilots from other null sec corps for control of sov because that would be to stressful and costly.... so lets go gank some players in hi-sec that arenGÇÖt trained skilled or fitted for pvp.

Now thatGÇÖs content.

after having conquered every region in 0.0 at some point in time the only thing left to do is flog some hiseccers

not our problem if they don't know anything about this game beyond how to set up a bot ((

By posting nonsense like this Andski, (implying that hi-seccers are botters} one can only hope that you quit the game.

Folk would then have more respect for, and dislike the goons less.

You are cherry picking, but I won't hold it against you.

It's important to remember that income is not always greater than outflow. The Canadian one-cent coin, by way of example, cost 1.6 cents per unit to mint. The Canadian mint was actually losing money on every penny they made.

I fully admit further along in my post that it's unlikely to ever reach that point; there are other sources that CCP can draw from to build a subscriber base. My point, however, was to show that the Goons' behavior is confusing to the point of irrationality.

By posting nonsense like this Andski, (implying that hi-seccers are botters} one can only hope that you quit the game.

Folk would then have more respect for, and dislike the goons less.

Full assburgers much? isould expect that from a Tribe scrub

Pile o'manure

What is it that your alliance wants to "Petition Blizzard" for anyway Romana?

Why do goons do what they do? Couldn't tell you, but I do what I do because I want to have fun while playing a video game. Pretty simple really.

I'll never understand why people think we're so different from them and need to be analyzed.

Anyone have any ideas about what happened?

You have assets in this game, you will have to protect those assets.
The more assets you have, the more you have to protect them.

Goons have many assets, goons therefore have to protect a lot.
You may think they are just a bunch of @#%^(&@&, but actually, even something like Burn Jita or Hulkageddon, is a way for the Goons to protect their income.


Although there are many many more reasons, i shall just state one reason for Hulkageddon.
Hulkageddon is meant to gank miners in High-sec space.
What do people mine in high-sec space? indeed, lower value ores.
So, what happens when you gank the group of people, mining the lower value ores? Exactly, the value of those ores goes up.

I don't know if you know, but in null-sec, those lower value ores aren't very abundant and besides this, industrialists usually don't feel like mining them ( Arkonor makes a lot more iskies after-all ).

If the value of a particular ore goes up, so does the likelihood of people mining them.


This is just a small example, but ultimately, they are protecting their assets and their position.
Anybody else would do the exact same thing, Goons are just more successful than anybody else.

Well I thank you for that

I could see how you'd arrive at your conclusion as you're someone on the outside looking in. But don't you think that if we were truly out to "destroy your game" as it were, we'd be a lot more malicious about it, instead of creating content that a large portion of people who aren't in goons can participate in? I mean sure, on the surface, Burn Jita or the extended hulkageddon might seem attacks on the player base at large, but the reactions I've seen, for the most part, have been positive.

If we really are some evil space empire hell bent on burning the game down, I'm just not seeing it. Honestly, sometimes I feel more like a member of a parks and recreation board...

First of all, I'm not sure if this belongs in the general or the alliance/corp dicussions. vov I'll risk it anyway

As I have been playing actively for about a year or two now, I've been trying to figure out why I have this mental alignment to hate the Goons. Maybe it's their popularity, maybe the fact fedoras died in the 70's, or if Mister Shadoo of PL's face makes me laugh more. So I ask of any member of the Goonswarm that passes by, what's your game? I have a difficult time thinking you're pirates. It's not the usual MO of the sociopaths of low-sec. I want to hear a Goon's thought of what they are and their alignments to the EVE universe are. Let's face it though, I'll probably only get a snark comment.

Thanks for reading!