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Haulin Gneiss
sweet riders
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:49:00 -
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Playing as a dedicated exploration pilot...I have to say this new "exploration" package really blows. I mean...the ship scans the system and reveals all of the exploration sites at 0%, set the ore sites to 100% signal...
So, where's the EXPLORATION part? If, regardless of your skill set you get access to see what the system holds then all of the time spent running up exploration skills is wasted.
Isn't the whole point of exploration is to find **** that cant be readily found?
I swear if CCP dumbs this game down any more... |
Zak Breen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:51:00 -
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People complained that exploration was too complicated.
Now they are complaining it is too dumbed down.
Why can't you just be happy? 
Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing.
http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |
Haulin Gneiss
sweet riders
68
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:55:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:People complained that exploration was too complicated. Now they are complaining it is too dumbed down. Why can't you just be happy?
I was happy with it. Now it's almost a "press this button to get the exploration site revealed" |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
71
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:55:00 -
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This is a first step. At this point it's about getting exploration content in the hands of all players, and if that means tearing down some of the barriers to entry for that then so be it. I'm personally alright with that, with one caveat.
They need to keep iterating on this, to introduce different and more challenging encounters and further refine the "exploration" aspect of things. CCP's changed up its tune lately and I can only imagine they wouldn't overhaul the system to its coming state without having plans to continue developing it.
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Setaceous
Nexus Prima
90
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:55:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:People complained that exploration was too complicated. Now they are complaining it is too dumbed down. Why can't you just be happy?
Because they're people. |
Nitrogen Isotopes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:57:00 -
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Zak Breen wrote:People complained that exploration was too complicated.
Citation needed. |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
71
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:59:00 -
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Nitrogen Isotopes wrote:Zak Breen wrote:People complained that exploration was too complicated. Citation needed.
Citation
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Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence
STELLAR CONSTELLATION
176
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:05:00 -
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ccp still needs to make space feel more mysterious
when eve came out in 2003 (as well during acrophya) you really wondered in null/wh space... am I the first here? this might not have ever been mapped, scanned...
^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
Nitrogen Isotopes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:08:00 -
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"Because they're people" isn't a citation.
do you even wiki? |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
71
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:09:00 -
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Ckra Trald wrote:ccp still needs to make space feel more mysterious
when eve came out in 2003 (as well during acrophya) you really wondered in null/wh space... am I the first here? this might not have ever been mapped, scanned...
I agree. That first experience of finding and going through a wormhole is something that can never really be duplicated.
For a lot of people, the content the new changes will expose is something that they've never even knew were there in the systems they've been frequenting. For a lot of people, this will be brand new experiences for them.
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Zak Breen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:09:00 -
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Haulin Gneiss wrote:I was happy with it. Now it's almost a "press this button to get the exploration site revealed"
edit: I was happy infofar as the mechanics. Needed more content...like everything else though.
Agreed on the content part.
Nitrogen Isotopes wrote:Citation needed.
You don't read the help chat much do you.
Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of not knowing.
http://www.di.fm/spacemusic |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
1913
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:32:00 -
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+1
EVE used to be all about challenges and effort investment. Not so much anymore. |
Vordek Rei
House of Praetor
R O G U E
4
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:42:00 -
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Winterblink you are not welcome here until you pay a ransom of 1 Podcast.
Now get to work. |
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
90
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:46:00 -
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Nitrogen Isotopes wrote:Zak Breen wrote:People complained that exploration was too complicated. Citation needed.
Pfft. It's a perfectly valid citation given how people act (in general not specifically).
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1783
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:52:00 -
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so what you say is that more clicks made the feature better in past?
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1515
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:55:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:so what you say is that more clicks made the feature better in past?
Which is interesting, since they added more clicks in exploration.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Idea for Improving NPE. |
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
50
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Posted - 2013.05.31 02:59:00 -
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Haulin Gneiss wrote:Zak Breen wrote:People complained that exploration was too complicated. Now they are complaining it is too dumbed down. Why can't you just be happy? I was happy with it. Now it's almost a "press this button to get the exploration site revealed" edit: I was happy infofar as the mechanics. Needed more content...like everything else though.
DONT NERF THE BACON BUTTON DERPY DERP DERP
I've done some really stupid **** in this game. |
Haulin Gneiss
sweet riders
69
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Posted - 2013.05.31 03:02:00 -
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Winterblink wrote:Ckra Trald wrote:ccp still needs to make space feel more mysterious
when eve came out in 2003 (as well during acrophya) you really wondered in null/wh space... am I the first here? this might not have ever been mapped, scanned... I agree. That first experience of finding and going through a wormhole is something that can never really be duplicated. For a lot of people, the content the new changes will expose is something that they've never even knew were there in the systems they've been frequenting. For a lot of people, this will be brand new experiences for them.
It was a brand new experience for me back in 2009 and I didn't mind draggin all those probes around, sneaking through low/null to find sites. |
Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
67
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Posted - 2013.05.31 03:02:00 -
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Respect. 
Exploration now officially sucks.
NO it sucks WARM DONKEY BALLS!!!! |
Haulin Gneiss
sweet riders
69
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Posted - 2013.05.31 03:07:00 -
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Let's just kill all the exploration/scanning/astrometric skills and just lump them all into a skill called "reveal all". Train to level 5 and all the mysteries of the system will be revealed.
The other alternative is to spawn sites that cannot be found with the system scanner and you need specialized equipment to find even more spare parts and empty cans. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1516
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Posted - 2013.05.31 03:10:00 -
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Haulin Gneiss wrote:Let's just kill all the exploration/scanning/astrometric skills and just lump them all into a skill called "reveal all". Train to level 5 and all the mysteries of the system will be revealed. .
With how things have been going, the skill req for revealing all would only need level 4. Gotta make it new player friendly!
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Idea for Improving NPE. |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
71
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Posted - 2013.05.31 03:12:00 -
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Vordek Rei wrote:Winterblink you are not welcome here until you pay a ransom of 1 Podcast.
Now get to work.
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Anti-social Tendencies
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.05.31 03:13:00 -
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Winterblink wrote:This is a first step. At this point it's about getting exploration content in the hands of all players, and if that means tearing down some of the barriers to entry for that then so be it. I'm personally alright with that, with one caveat.
They need to keep iterating on this, to introduce different and more challenging encounters and further refine the "exploration" aspect of things. CCP's changed up its tune lately and I can only imagine they wouldn't overhaul the system to its coming state without having plans to continue developing it.
Using that same logic, why not allow new players to fly carriers with a week of training? They are already lowering the the price of admission to fly an Orco. They are doing the same with scanning. I have spent some significant time training scanning skills on two toons. That time will be wasted come Odyssey.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1660
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Posted - 2013.05.31 03:17:00 -
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The whine is strong with this thread.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Sub-Director of Public Relations |
Haulie Berry
822
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:28:00 -
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Oh, cool, another thread where we can all get together and pretend like the current incarnation of scanning is a deeply complex system that takes days, nay, WEEKS! of intense practice to master.
We haven't had one of these for about five minutes, now. |
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
96
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:46:00 -
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I like having technology work for me instead of putting me to work. It's silly to think that in Star Trek somebody might have had to sit at a computer screen manually positioning, resizing, and nudging a bunch of probes around for 5 minutes just to find out where the away team's shuttle flew off to.
You can't imagine how many times I thought to myself "Gee, I really wish my probes remembered this formation so I didn't get carpal tunnel syndrome while trying to scan down sites". Anything that minimizes the amount of tedious crap involved with scanning and lets me get on to the fun stuff quicker is a good change in my book. In two months, nobody will miss the old system. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
162
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Posted - 2013.05.31 06:00:00 -
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I've been of the opinion that all content in Eve should be dynamic, and that static sites should disappear completely, for a long time now. That means getting rid of fixed asteroid belts, making moon goo cycle through different regions and so on. In order to do this a first step would be to simplify exploration (of the most common/easiest content) first. So I think it's all good.
Not that I've been able to play it on SiSi, because I was unsubbed at the last DB copy :(. |
dexington
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
644
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Posted - 2013.05.31 06:44:00 -
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Haulin Gneiss wrote:So, where's the EXPLORATION part?
Shelved next to the "cold, dark and harsh universe", there are no room for challenging content in mmo's today.
I really like World of Spaceships, we already got the paladin, i just hope to see some space dragons next expansion.
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1520
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Posted - 2013.05.31 06:51:00 -
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dexington wrote:Haulin Gneiss wrote:So, where's the EXPLORATION part? Shelved next to the "cold, dark and harsh universe", there are no room for challenging content in mmo's today. I really like World of Spaceships, we already got the paladin, i just hope to see some space dragons next expansion.
There is the Dragoon, that's close enough.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Idea for Improving NPE. |
March rabbit
epTa Team Inc.
698
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Posted - 2013.05.31 06:53:00 -
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Gianath wrote:I like having technology work for me instead of putting me to work. It's silly to think that in Star Trek somebody might have had to sit at a computer screen manually positioning, resizing, and nudging a bunch of probes around for 5 minutes just to find out where the away team's shuttle flew off to.
yea, every time i tackle target i think "why the hell i need to manually fly my ship to achieve bigger angular velocity and cannot use automation "????
I guess CCP needs to automate this operation. Because we are in deep future with great technologies. It would be good to just press button "Catch target" and get your ship getting into given orbit and use its' point and maintain the best possible speed/overheat to keep target pointed.
good idea isn't it?
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