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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:15:00 -
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Being a bit bored of grinding for ISK I thought maybe I should just buy some.
Now, we all know this is not allowed, so I will go through the 'legitimate' route of selling Game-Time cards for ISK.
So, how much do they sell for?
(Actually I have no intention of doing this at all, I just wanted to point how rediculous the situation is.)
Discuss.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:16:00 -
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Yes.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:19:00 -
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Heh.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:22:00 -
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15$ per 50m isk by IGE.com...
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:24:00 -
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Since its legal, and there's no risk, $ are worth even more. I've heard of offers over 200m for gametime cards.
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Xachariah
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:24:00 -
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If you dont make enough by game-time cards, just sell some teamspeak space, for an additional income.
If youŠre interested in longtime investment make some accounts and sell the alts.
But lets just rant a little bit more about how stupid CCP is to allow buying ingame goods for $ in China and feel happy that this isnŠt the case in tranq ;)
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 01/11/2005 17:26:59
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Kurren
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:29:00 -
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Who the hell uses ISK in RL?
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:30:00 -
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But lets just rant a little bit more about how stupid CCP is to allow buying ingame goods for $ in China and feel happy that this isnŠt the case in tranq ;)
CCP sold out their principals.
They saw $$$ and sold out...
Pretty simple...
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren
Who the hell uses ISK in RL?
Iceland.
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Yrma
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Originally by: Kurren
Who the hell uses ISK in RL?
Iceland.
Yeabb true.
ISK = -slenskar KrŸnur. (Icelandic kronur)
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man
15$ per 50m isk by IGE.com...
Wait people are willing to pay me cash for my billions?
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Vol Jbolaz
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Yrma
ISK = -slenskar KrŸnur. (Icelandic kronur)
You translate -slenskar, but not KrŸnur (crown)? 
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.01 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Since its legal, and there's no risk, $ are worth even more. I've heard of offers over 200m for gametime cards.
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Chrisb6122
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Posted - 2005.11.01 18:02:00 -
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In before the lock
Just to let you know,
its agaist the rules to buy Gtc's out of game, for isk, like on the forums, but in game its been legal for well over a year..
And its ccp choice with wht they do with there property, at the end of the day
selling isk for $ / ú = bad do remember that kids
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.11.01 18:04:00 -
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They just said yesterday you can buy time-cards for isk anyway you want, and they suggest you use the forums or in-game so GMs can track if it's a scam.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.11.01 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Chrisb6122
selling isk for $ / ú = bad do remember that kids
Unless you buy gametime card with your isk, in that case the GMS said its just fine.
Though in the end... its the same thing... but meh...
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.11.01 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Xachariah
If you dont make enough by game-time cards, just sell some teamspeak space, for an additional income.
If youŠre interested in longtime investment make some accounts and sell the alts.
But lets just rant a little bit more about how stupid CCP is to allow buying ingame goods for $ in China and feel happy that this isnŠt the case in tranq ;)
however much i dont like this, id have to agree wtih ccp here. its their way of life and THE NORM. It is EXPECTED in every game, hell u can get arrested for griefing ppl 24/7 to sell their items (some guy got arrested for doing that in lineage or somethin?)(RL arrested...)
so eve would do a lot worse without this, and its how the majority of the ppl there want it, so let them have it its their server
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.01 19:06:00 -
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CCP allows the selling of ingame items/isk for $ on the china servers because that way they don't have to ban almost everyone who plays.
Honestly though, why do you care what happens on the china server? It won't ever affect you.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.11.01 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
CCP allows the selling of ingame items/isk for $ on the china servers because that way they don't have to ban almost everyone who plays.
Honestly though, why do you care what happens on the china server? It won't ever affect you.
when the CEO of CCP was quoted to say they might merge the servers someday.. it caused mass panic.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.11.01 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
CCP allows the selling of ingame items/isk for $ on the china servers because that way they don't have to ban almost everyone who plays.
Honestly though, why do you care what happens on the china server? It won't ever affect you.
when the CEO of CCP was quoted to say they might merge the servers someday.. it caused mass panic.
The "MERGING" sure as hell better stay a "wild dream"...
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.11.01 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
The "MERGING" sure as hell better stay a "wild dream"...
Indeed.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.11.01 19:53:00 -
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I think it's ****e that ccp hasn't stopped this long ago.
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Tiny Carlos
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Posted - 2005.11.01 20:01:00 -
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But gtc with your isk.
Use the gtc to train characters.
Sell the characters for isk.
Buy more gtc.
I wonder if you'd come out on top?
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mimik
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Posted - 2005.11.01 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
CCP allows the selling of ingame items/isk for $ on the china servers because that way they don't have to ban almost everyone who plays.
Honestly though, why do you care what happens on the china server? It won't ever affect you.
why are u talking in present tense about a server that doesn'r even exist yet and is still in the discussion stages ?
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Xachariah
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Posted - 2005.11.01 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dao 2
Originally by: Xachariah
If you dont make enough by game-time cards, just sell some teamspeak space, for an additional income.
If youŠre interested in longtime investment make some accounts and sell the alts.
But lets just rant a little bit more about how stupid CCP is to allow buying ingame goods for $ in China and feel happy that this isnŠt the case in tranq ;)
however much i dont like this, id have to agree wtih ccp here. its their way of life and THE NORM. It is EXPECTED in every game, hell u can get arrested for griefing ppl 24/7 to sell their items (some guy got arrested for doing that in lineage or somethin?)(RL arrested...)
so eve would do a lot worse without this, and its how the majority of the ppl there want it, so let them have it its their server
Guess I wasnŠt to clear about what I wanted to say:
I do not actually rant about the (possible) selling policy on the Chinese Server. Rather I find it amusing, that so many people care about how the Chinese play and completly ignore the fact that similiar things are also quite common here, on Tranquility.
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Callistus
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Posted - 2005.11.01 20:22:00 -
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I remember reading a report about the economies of mmorpg's. It established a real-world value for the money used in various games based on their worth on ebay. It worked out, for example, that Everquest had a higher GNP per person than many developing countries!
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Hayzo
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Posted - 2005.11.01 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Hayzo on 01/11/2005 20:23:36
Originally by: mimik
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
CCP allows the selling of ingame items/isk for $ on the china servers because that way they don't have to ban almost everyone who plays.
Honestly though, why do you care what happens on the china server? It won't ever affect you.
why are u talking in present tense about a server that doesn'r even exist yet and is still in the discussion stages ?
Firstly: Does it matter?
Secondly: It's passed disscussion, It's going to happen.
Anyway...
In China the buying of ingame items with RL currency is perfectly acceptable. I can't see why CCP wouldn't allow what is usually allowed.
That, and it's another source of income.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2005.11.01 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 01/11/2005 20:41:12
am i allowed to link to this ? :D
sorry...50m isk is like 29 USD to buy...you sell it for 15$ per 50m...
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.11.01 20:44:00 -
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As far as buying gametime is concerned the big difference is it is impossible to make an RL profit out of it.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zaldiri
As far as buying gametime is concerned the big difference is it is impossible to make an RL profit out of it.
Actually its plausible to expect some profit from it.
Notice. Buying Gametime cards for isk mean that you actually save the $15 for a 30 day char.
If that $15 is left in an high interest account, combined with the following months of $15 saved.. you will make a profit.
It doesnt profit the seller, but it does profit the buyers. In fact the seller is the "buyer of isk" in this case, trading real life goods for in game items, and the buyer of the card is the seller of the isk. He is in effect charging the seller of the card $15 a time, for several hundred million isk.
If anything it should be banned outright, or allowed.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Chrisb6122
selling isk for $ / ú = bad do remember that kids
Unless you buy gametime card with your isk, in that case the GMS said its just fine.
Though in the end... its the same thing... but meh...
You outta see some of the prominent, yet pompous, arsses that parade around this game talking giberish about people who buy isk with cash whilst the defacto gamecard for isk deal virtually legitimizes the very same practice. I dont buy isk for cash but certainly those who pontificate about this just are plain laughable.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:24:00 -
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Can someone post link where someone from CCP say its legal?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: So'Kar
Can someone post link where someone from CCP say its legal?
HERE
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:52:00 -
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Oh well. Money is still go to CCPs pocket though and not some macro miners, it isnt that much different from training char and then selling the char for isk. 
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Klav
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: So'Kar
Can someone post link where someone from CCP say its legal?
HERE
This sucks seriously, this must be the worst choise CCP ever done.
IMO its just a small step from fully supporting cash for ingame stuff. And I certainly dont wont that. (I dont care what they do on some china server).
If I wanted to have a cash for game item trading possibility, I would have been playing the mmorpg Project Entropia instead.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.11.01 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Originally by: Zaldiri
As far as buying gametime is concerned the big difference is it is impossible to make an RL profit out of it.
Actually its plausible to expect some profit from it.
Notice. Buying Gametime cards for isk mean that you actually save the $15 for a 30 day char.
If that $15 is left in an high interest account, combined with the following months of $15 saved.. you will make a profit.
It doesnt profit the seller, but it does profit the buyers. In fact the seller is the "buyer of isk" in this case, trading real life goods for in game items, and the buyer of the card is the seller of the isk. He is in effect charging the seller of the card $15 a time, for several hundred million isk.
If anything it should be banned outright, or allowed.
Ok personally I doubt people will be doing that, and it has been allowed officialy
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Posted - 2005.11.01 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Balazs Simon on 01/11/2005 22:07:48
cool, so if any alliance have a millionare in its ranks, it will be never defeted... hmmm
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Verizana
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Posted - 2005.11.01 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Yrma
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Originally by: Kurren
Who the hell uses ISK in RL?
Iceland.
Yeabb true.
ISK = -slenskar KrŸnur. (Icelandic kronur)
The idea of ISK was first from the icelandic kronur and then they found a name for it "interstellar kredits" so they got by the corner.
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Saatar Fora
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Posted - 2005.11.01 22:56:00 -
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Actually, this isn't exactly the same as selling isk for simple real money. Sure, from the side of the person receiving the isk it's no different; they spend money, they get isk. But in terms of the person cashing in their isk they can't get money for it. The isk seller can only aquire (within the EULA) items such as time cards and characters, meaning nobody can really make a living under these rules by macromining and such. It isn't perfect, but it is better than allowing the direct sale of isk for dollars.
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Posted - 2005.11.01 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Saatar Fora
Actually, this isn't exactly the same as selling isk for simple real money. Sure, from the side of the person receiving the isk it's no different; they spend money, they get isk. But in terms of the person cashing in their isk they can't get money for it. The isk seller can only aquire (within the EULA) items such as time cards ...
...and I can sell time-cards to other EVE players for cash, also within the EULA. So I can trade my ISK directly for cash.
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Larsson7
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Posted - 2005.11.01 23:53:00 -
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I have never been able to unbderstand some peoples obsession with preventing others from buying isk, characters or ships for rl cash.
Why do you care?
Lets say John Doe goes to a seller and buys a Navy Raven to go and NPC in Venal or run Missions in Amarr - why do you care? Seriously?
Chances are you may never meet John Doe let alone KNOW that he paid RL money for his faction ship and, if your lucky, you might just get to blow it up!
This argument of "It puts other players at a disadvantage" doesnt really cut it. In real life some people have more money than you will ever have and can buy whatever they want. The difference between the game and rl is semantics only.
Personally speaking I would not waste rl cash for isk/ships/mods when i can just earn them. I certainly would not care if John Doe spent his life savings on whatever he chooses.
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M3ta7h3ad
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Posted - 2005.11.02 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zaldiri
Originally by: M3ta7h3ad
Originally by: Zaldiri
As far as buying gametime is concerned the big difference is it is impossible to make an RL profit out of it.
Actually its plausible to expect some profit from it.
Notice. Buying Gametime cards for isk mean that you actually save the $15 for a 30 day char.
If that $15 is left in an high interest account, combined with the following months of $15 saved.. you will make a profit.
It doesnt profit the seller, but it does profit the buyers. In fact the seller is the "buyer of isk" in this case, trading real life goods for in game items, and the buyer of the card is the seller of the isk. He is in effect charging the seller of the card $15 a time, for several hundred million isk.
If anything it should be banned outright, or allowed.
Ok personally I doubt people will be doing that, and it has been allowed officialy
You doubt people will make $15 a time? Sorry but thats exactly what happens.
The person buying a gametime card sells isk for the price of the gametime card, he may recieve gametime for it, but means he makes money on it. He doesnt have to pay for the game.
As for the high interest account thing.. You dont need to do this to make profit, every time someone buys a gametime card for isk, it means he doesnt have to spend any real money. So he keeps it. He "breaks even" with regards to his outlay and income.
As for the "its been allowed officially" re-read the sentence. I mean that it should either be banned along with the other methods, or they should legalise the selling of isk in other ways, as the result is the same.
Gametime cards encourage macro miners as much as before "Woot! I never have to pay for eve again, just run a macro for a few hours every night!"
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Raindrop
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Posted - 2005.11.02 01:45:00 -
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When i want Isk i go to the bank. They do the complicated stuff.
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Posted - 2005.11.02 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 02/11/2005 02:07:15
Someone could buy the gametime key for isk and resell it for real money, or not ?
*edit* ( <same in these brackets as in the starting post of this thread> )
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.11.02 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Larsson7
Edited by: Larsson7 on 02/11/2005 00:17:01
I have never been able to understand some peoples obsession with preventing others from buying isk, characters or ships for rl cash.
Why do you care?
Lets say John Doe goes to a seller and buys a Navy Raven to go and NPC in Venal or run Missions in Amarr - why do you care? Seriously?
Chances are you may never meet John Doe let alone KNOW that he paid RL money for his faction ship and, if your lucky, you might just get to blow it up!
This argument of "It puts other players at a disadvantage" doesnt really cut it. In real life some people have more money than you will ever have and can buy whatever they want. The difference between the game and rl is semantics only.
Personally speaking I would not waste rl cash for isk/ships/mods when i can just earn them. I certainly would not care if John Doe spent his life savings on whatever he chooses.
It's a f'ing virtual game world.
Everything you own/lose should be gained & lost in that virtual world with no outside influences. Anythng else is cheating IMO...
The gamecard scenario is BS IMO, CCP should not allow it.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.11.02 02:46:00 -
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Who the hell would pay $50 for 100 million ISK when you can make it in less than one day!?!?
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Domalais
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Posted - 2005.11.02 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Larsson7
Edited by: Larsson7 on 02/11/2005 00:17:01
I have never been able to understand some peoples obsession with preventing others from buying isk, characters or ships for rl cash.
Why do you care?
This argument of "It puts other players at a disadvantage" doesnt really cut it. In real life some people have more money than you will ever have and can buy whatever they want. The difference between the game and rl is semantics only.
Reason 1:
Step 1: Allow isk for cash transactions
Step 2: Hundreds of people begin "playing" EVE professionally, IE: working EVE as a job to make real life currency.
Step 3: These hundreds of people ***** massive amounts of isk via mining, NPCing, etc, etc.
Step 4: Ingame value of isk drops. You, the average player who plays EVE for pleasure, experience a loss of real in-game wage. "Who cares," you say, "I don't play this for a living." Well, this means that you have to spend more hours doing the un-fun, money whoring things in order to afford the things you like doing. Each hour of your isk whoring is worth less.
Reason 2:
Beyond the indirect affects listed above, you are now in direct competition with people's wallets. What if you wanted to buy that Caldari Navy Raven? Markets are competition, boy-o. Now you have to measure your in-game earning power against someone else's out-of-game earning power to purchase the things you want.
And your quote:
Originally by: Larsson7
Personally speaking I would not waste rl cash for isk/ships/mods when i can just earn them
Is simply laughable to me as an economist. Assuming you are a citizen of a developed country who is capable of earning an average income, the value of your RL wage is going to far exceed your earning potential in game. Time is money. If you had the choice between using 20 hours of your life isk whoring in game to purchase an item, and spending a single extra hour at work to purchase the same item, and assuming that both types of work were equally "fun" (or un-fun, whichever), why would anyone choose the larger expense of time? Some will choose to earn in-game, but I doubt it would approach a majority.
Reason 3:
We have this wonderful MMO with a complex and realistic dev-created economy (player created economies such as ATITD's are arguably more realistic, but still subject to artificial constraints) and we're just going to toss that out the window by subjecting it to all sorts of external (RL) factors? Bleh.
Reason 4:
This is a game. I'd like it to stay that way. It's bad enough hearing someone cry about losing the ship/mods/whatever they spent X million hours whoring for. If it was real income that was lost, it would be much worse. And a whole lot more personal.
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Pestillence
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Posted - 2005.11.02 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Larsson7
Edited by: Larsson7 on 02/11/2005 00:17:01
I have never been able to understand some peoples obsession with preventing others from buying isk, characters or ships for rl cash.
Why do you care?
Lets say John Doe goes to a seller and buys a Navy Raven to go and NPC in Venal or run Missions in Amarr - why do you care? Seriously?
Chances are you may never meet John Doe let alone KNOW that he paid RL money for his faction ship and, if your lucky, you might just get to blow it up!
This argument of "It puts other players at a disadvantage" doesnt really cut it. In real life some people have more money than you will ever have and can buy whatever they want. The difference between the game and rl is semantics only.
Personally speaking I would not waste rl cash for isk/ships/mods when i can just earn them. I certainly would not care if John Doe spent his life savings on whatever he chooses.
Wait until you blow someones ship up and they try to get you arrested in RL for destruction of property.
Laugh, its not that farfetched.
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2005.11.02 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
Quote:
But lets just rant a little bit more about how stupid CCP is to allow buying ingame goods for $ in China and feel happy that this isnŠt the case in tranq ;)
CCP sold out their principals.
They saw $$$ and sold out...
Pretty simple...
Agreed, and im very disapointed in cCP
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Arti K
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Posted - 2005.11.02 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: Arti K on 02/11/2005 06:59:06
South Korea's government has decided that in-game thefts are to be considered real thefts punishable by law and they've even created a division of the police force explicitly for mmo & internet related theft. Good thing Istvaan isn't korean 
Edit: since enacting this into law, about 2/3 of all reported thefts in Korea are now game related.
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Sinonia Torviir
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Posted - 2005.11.02 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Larsson7
Edited by: Larsson7 on 02/11/2005 00:17:01
I have never been able to understand some peoples obsession with preventing others from buying isk, characters or ships for rl cash.
Why do you care?
Lets say John Doe goes to a seller and buys a Navy Raven to go and NPC in Venal or run Missions in Amarr - why do you care? Seriously?
Chances are you may never meet John Doe let alone KNOW that he paid RL money for his faction ship and, if your lucky, you might just get to blow it up!
This argument of "It puts other players at a disadvantage" doesnt really cut it. In real life some people have more money than you will ever have and can buy whatever they want. The difference between the game and rl is semantics only.
Personally speaking I would not waste rl cash for isk/ships/mods when i can just earn them. I certainly would not care if John Doe spent his life savings on whatever he chooses.
a navy raven wont have alot of affect on u thats true
but how does it look like when that guy starts to buy t2 bpos? maybe even manages it to buy himself a monopoly...still wont have any effect on u?
just because u have a very poor imagination and cant understand it, that doesnt mean its not a problem
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.11.02 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sinonia Torviir
Originally by: Larsson7
Edited by: Larsson7 on 02/11/2005 00:17:01
I have never been able to understand some peoples obsession with preventing others from buying isk, characters or ships for rl cash.
Why do you care?
Lets say John Doe goes to a seller and buys a Navy Raven to go and NPC in Venal or run Missions in Amarr - why do you care? Seriously?
Chances are you may never meet John Doe let alone KNOW that he paid RL money for his faction ship and, if your lucky, you might just get to blow it up!
This argument of "It puts other players at a disadvantage" doesnt really cut it. In real life some people have more money than you will ever have and can buy whatever they want. The difference between the game and rl is semantics only.
Personally speaking I would not waste rl cash for isk/ships/mods when i can just earn them. I certainly would not care if John Doe spent his life savings on whatever he chooses.
a navy raven wont have alot of affect on u thats true
but how does it look like when that guy starts to buy t2 bpos? maybe even manages it to buy himself a monopoly...still wont have any effect on u?
just because u have a very poor imagination and cant understand it, that doesnt mean its not a problem
Oh, it's alot worse than that.
For a start, John Doe in his Navy Raven is screwing the ingame economy by flooding it with named and officer items he has grinded from missions in his omguber ship. Yes, maybe one person wouldn't do this, but if you get several thousand doing it - buying faction fitted modules on faction BS - then it all adds up. Not to mention it devalues the price of ingame Navy Ravens being sold for ISK, screwing over the people who have obtained them legitimately.
And, of course, EVE is primarily a PvP game. Your lack of vision in assuming only mission *****rs will use them is startling. What happens when John Doe uses his CN Raven in PvP, and wtfpwns some poor nub who isn't rich in RL? What happens in John Doe is a millionaire in real life, and gets his kicks from buying these absurdly expensive ships and doing suicide-runs in high-sec?
And of course, it turns the game into a career for lots of people, screws over the economy in so many ways it's not funny, ruins balance and risk vs reward, etc etc.
Larsson, go onto the trade forums and buy a clue.
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Saatar Fora
Actually, this isn't exactly the same as selling isk for simple real money. Sure, from the side of the person receiving the isk it's no different; they spend money, they get isk. But in terms of the person cashing in their isk they can't get money for it. The isk seller can only aquire (within the EULA) items such as time cards ...
...and I can sell time-cards to other EVE players for cash, also within the EULA. So I can trade my ISK directly for cash.
Sorry for the quote stack, but I just have to underline this.
There is no practical difference between allowing the selling of eve-isk for real money and the selling of eve-isk for gametime cards.
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