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The Reverend
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:26:00 -
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With the latest patch introducing secure cargo container people have seen fit to place these secure containers at gates so as to use these bookmarks to by pass blockades. Before this was not an issue as we could destroy these containers meaning only the user could place them, use the bookmark unless he sold the bookmark on. Now using a bookmark to do this has been classed as an exploit (will post the link when I find it), though no-one is really bothered about it, its inbuild into the game mechnics. But NOW, people can drop these containers and because of the invunrability - players can warp in, bookmark the secure container and then warp out (using the lousy 10 second invunrability bug), then warp on and carry on. Unless this problem is
1. Resolved by having people stop this pratice
2. It becomes possible to destroy these containers.
Then the following will start to happen at any gate I blockade.
For every one container dropped that is secure - I will add another 19 of my own, each will be used as a personal bookmark for myself, each will increase the lag as you warp in. IF CCP does not close down this exploit in the next patch, this proccess will start. That along with the fact I will not waste my ammo destroying stray containers, bodys or drones will cause more and more lag. I will not allow there to be one rule for pirates and another for blockade runners.
Flame away!!!
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:33:00 -
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Go m0o !!
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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The Reverend
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:34:00 -
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This is a personal expression, and does not in anyway include the thoughts of any of our corp members or allys.
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:38:00 -
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Tbh I tend to agree with you. I keep seeing these secure containers all over the place and wondering why theyre there. The only reason I can think of for using secure containers is when mining to stop ore thieves, other than that anyone care to add?
I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to be destroyed, keeping the same penalty as there is currently.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:40:00 -
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Your arguement that using secure containers as bookmarks to by-pass blockades is an exploit is baseless until you provide some hard evidence. Post the link that CCP classifies this as an exploit and then you have a point. Otherwise it just sounds like your another pirate whinning because someone has out smarted you and figured away around your silly blockade. 
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:42:00 -
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For some reason I find this really funny.
I think players are always going to find "creative" ways of getting around things - as soon as they do however, its logged with the Dev team who then try and unpick it all. Its like a vicious circle. I think pirates need to be given other ways of catching their prey other than camping gates.
The answer to the 64,000 isk question is: How?
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Riddari
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:42:00 -
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1. Why do people use containers to bookmark? Just hit the "ADD BOOKMARK" button, you don't need a friggin container
2. The Reverend is either trolling or incredibly enough not thinking like I do. Exploit?
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:42:00 -
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I agree - these secure containers are a joke as they can be handled right now to block, bookmark and create lag.
Out with them or give them a timer!
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The Reverend
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:44:00 -
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One last note, how are you all enjoying the laggy server atm, ever notice whenever CCP does a database sweep in order to try and speed up the server, it has the oppiste effect? With all these containers around the database will just get slower and sloower and slooower etc. Anyway back to work, will look forward to the flames when I get back.
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Psyco Groupie
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:46:00 -
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awww shame, you cant get easy kills .. poor you
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Seer
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:46:00 -
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What does it matter?
I aint even see a secure container yet but no gate is ever blocked 24/7 - the wise use the unblocked time to set their bookmark and share it with all members of their corp and any buddies they feel like .... so big deal?
Anyone who doesnt already have a BM for every dodgy system out there must be mad! Although I do think its crazy a secure container is indestructable - sure it should take a beating to blow one otherwise temptetous ore thieves would just blow one they couldnt open outta spite. But indestructable? How can a f**kin cargo can take more to blow than a battleship?
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Wierdo
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:46:00 -
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"For every one container dropped that is secure - I will add another 19 of my own, each will be used as a personal bookmark for myself, each will increase the lag as you warp in."
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Ghenghiz
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:47:00 -
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I don't understand why people would want to drop a container to create a bookmark when you can just create a bookmark withOUT any container...
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Fixit
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:49:00 -
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Hmmmm well standing up and saying I don't like something and in the same voice saying you will deliberately exploit the game to the point of making it unplayable for others, just because it is affecting your profits?
I hope anyone you pod this way reports it, and they ban your sorry ass.
If you want something discussed seriously or have a good point to make, which this is, then do it the proper way.
Reoprt it, post it in the patch forum or whatever.
Just stop being a hypocrite. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Now put your dummy back in and go post seriously without the childish threats.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:49:00 -
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I hardly think that these few extra containers floating around in space is going to cause the entire server to be laggy. I think the lag problems are due to a different issue all together.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:54:00 -
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 Quote:
1. Why do people use containers to bookmark? Just hit the "ADD BOOKMARK" button, you don't need a friggin container
2. The Reverend is either trolling or incredibly enough not thinking like I do. Exploit?
Rev's point seems to be that bookmarks are normally not copyable.
Oh wait... Rev is wrong, you CAN copy bookmarks without being near the original bookmark.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.08.06 12:57:00 -
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Fixit, Amen brother...thank you for keeping it real! My exact thoughts on this subject.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:01:00 -
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Exploit because?
I am assuming you mean because you cannot destroy them?
And why do you need a container to set a bookmark? just travel from planet 1, 20 k past gate, and set mark.
If you use the lag exploit, you will get your account revoked from what I have seen.
Secure containers should dissapear after server reboot though imo, or space could be well n truly full o junk :)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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SuicideBob
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:01:00 -
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If m0o doesn't like it, it must be a good thing for the rest of us.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:06:00 -
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Okay...
So when non-pirates find a way to beat the system, such as leaving an unbreakable/everlasting can at ideal bookamrking range so that everyone can warp in, BM, warp back, then instajump. Then there are no complaints from the 'good guys'.
But.. when a pirate finds a way to beat the system, such as what Molly has been up to in the empire lately, cries go up to have them banned/nerfed/etc.?
Double standards are a bad thing.
Also, regarding secure containers. I don't see any reason to keep these in. Greedy idiots still won't use them (because they don't have the interior dimensions of 3 bestowers....), and still complain just as much as they did before they were introduced.
The only things I've seen these used for are graffiti, and litter.
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:20:00 -
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Quote:
But.. when a pirate finds a way to beat the system, such as what Molly has been up to in the empire lately, cries go up to have them banned/nerfed/etc.?
drunkenmaster, you know, when you guys "find a way to beat the system", it usually implies more dead people :-)
However, wen we (the gullable good guys and carebears) find such a way, it means we might just stay alive a little longer.
alive > dead, conclusion: we're right to exploit, you're wrong to whine.
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Noobious
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:20:00 -
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*hands rev a tissue to wipe those tears away.
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:22:00 -
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Oh, and backing up a completely valid point of concern with lame threats is childish, The Reverend. I Pity you.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:23:00 -
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Much fairer comments Drunken, but still doesnt address the point as to why this is an exploit, when the same can be done by marking empty space as can be achived by marking a container in same said empty space. Anyone that actually bothers to do this, is just wasting the money on a secure container. And therefore deosnt really seem like an exploit in any way.
Maybe I missed something though tbh.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=176347
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Darth Maul
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:26:00 -
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The only things I've seen these used for are graffiti, and litter.
Actually I use them to great effect for transporting high level skill packs and BP's through a blockade. You may blow the cheap speedy frigate I'm in - but at least when you log off I can come back and get my loot. 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:29:00 -
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well - not that its a vote or a democracy but I'm with The Rev on this purely on "principle".
I don't give a monkies about past actions or paralell guilt (or even that there are less troublesome ways to do it or get round blockades) - it IS being used as a way to bypass intended game mechanics (blockades) by the easy creation of "insta-jump bookmarks" (not intended).
Seen it done, heard it discussed and no idea whatsoever what to do about it.
No help to anybody - just another voice in the wilderness.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tharrn on 06/08/2003 13:47:36
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The answer to the 64,000 isk question is: How?
Warp-trail-trackers, specialised high-tech high power equipment (blackmarket *cough cough* stuff) usable to render jumpgates inoperative for a short period of time (remember Freelancer and the way pirates blocked the tradelanes there?). Maybe in the form of some kind of space-equipment (a small jamming platform like those planned mobile refineries that should be destructible).
It would put the process of disabling a jumpgate into the hands of the players rather than the game mechanics as it is planned for the next patch now. Sure, important tradelanes may be completely blocked. Cool with me. Get of your butts and smack that expensive, hard to get jammer up.
As you are at it: an option to choose the distance you'd like to arrive at when dropping out of warp would be great. Would avoid those insta-deaths and allow for fleet deployment and tactical combat rather than 'warp in first and you are dead'. Make it 150, 50, 20km +/- a few (random), and we are set, no?
Can I have those 64k ISK now? Can I have your stuff in general? ;)
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.08.06 13:50:00 -
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Okay...
So when non-pirates find a way to beat the system, such as leaving an unbreakable/everlasting can at ideal bookamrking range so that everyone can warp in, BM, warp back, then instajump. Then there are no complaints from the 'good guys'.
But.. when a pirate finds a way to beat the system, such as what Molly has been up to in the empire lately, cries go up to have them banned/nerfed/etc.?
Double standards are a bad thing.
Also, regarding secure containers. I don't see any reason to keep these in. Greedy idiots still won't use them (because they don't have the interior dimensions of 3 bestowers....), and still complain just as much as they did before they were introduced.
The only things I've seen these used for are graffiti, and litter.
There is other side of that coin: When pirates had 100's of cargo containers lying around after killed NPC's it was an accident, as much as it is now that people "accidently" jettisoned the container, and "unfortunately" forgot the password. So it's all fair, again. 
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:06:00 -
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Uhm... shouldn't it be fun to just
a.) drop ONE secure container that is at useless coordinates
b.) use a MWD to shamelessly bump 'waymarkers' a few kilometers away
if you are a pirate? :P
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.06 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 06/08/2003 14:15:37
I agree with The Reverand on this matter, this is an exploit. Whats the point of setting up a blockade when people can just drop a secure can an pass?
Bookmarking the middle of nowhere and containers should be removed.
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