And note, that's not an additional 24 days on top of the skills i've trained. That's 24 days of different skills altogether, so the previous month of skills were mostly for nothing.

Is this really just meant to be "accepted"?

Then, to my UTTER despair.. I see the new skill required. Advanced Spaceship command 5.

The last month of training has all been wasted.. I find myself unable to fly the ships I previously could

I know there are lots of people out there who worked around this update and basically got literally millions of FREE skill points just because they trained certain skills in certain orders. This is an unfair advantage.

For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

Just wondering what is better "Iteron" or "Iteron V" since it takes the same time to train for both. I wonder how they gonna rework all industrial ships =/

I wonder how man threads there will be today of people admitting they can't do planning of any sort, even when told multiple times over the past year it was coming, with pictures no less.

In other news, I think it would be really cool if we could put smilies in thread titles.

Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:

For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

Is this really just meant to be "accepted"?

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Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:

For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

Yep, I agree with every single person who replied. The new skill tree was published long long ago. Sorry you had your head in the sand for the last several months. File a petition, see if CCP will exchange your skill points, my guess is they will not.

On an unrelated note: I like the new tree A LOT! Now instead of wasting time training to fly a ship you don't plan to fly, you train skills to help you fly the desired ship better. At least for the most part that is what happened.

If you only hear dof Odyssey 2 weeks ago, it demonstrates you haven't been paying attention to the goings on of the game you have invested time and money into..

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I see nothing wrong with the way I play EVE and I stand by the fact that I am the victim here. It's easy to stand on the sidelines while laughing and pointing at those of us that did not get the infomation. Important changes like this should've been brought to my attention, not the other way around.

All my attention is IN game where it belongs, not on every EVE forum out there.

I see nothing wrong with the way I play EVE and I stand by the fact that I am the victim here. It's easy to stand on the sidelines while laughing and pointing at those of us that did not get the infomation. Important changes like this should've been brought to my attention, not the other way around.

LOL I got this vision of you shouting at your computer "WHY WASN"T I INFORMED!" after the patch.

All my attention is IN game where it belongs, not on every EVE forum out there.

Yes. CCP CEO should have phoned you on your mobile and asked if it was OK with you.

Twenty-four days is a hell of penalty to inflict on a five-month-old toon/player who didn't see it coming.

Save your HTFUs. CCP has also made it abundantly clear that it wants to work harder to keep new players interested. Here's an example of how not to do that.

And that's the bottom line.

Actually, the bottom line is GÇ£review your attitude towards staying updated to game changes.GÇ¥
You made a mistake. Learn from it.

I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault.

Forums aren't the primary place for game deveopers to share news.

I have learnt, however to use the forums and other third party sources for information

... The only way to make it not stupid would have been to reach out to al toons training the relevant skills with alerts. It could have been done via EVEmail, and that it wasn't unfortunately dooms players who don't read blogs and forums.

While EVE breeds pretend-hard players who love to tell newer players tough luck, "it was announced outside of the game" is a big, fat fail...

I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault. Forums are separate from the game and players aren't expected to use them. Important information like this should be posted in-game where there's no excuse to missing it. Forums aren't the primary place for game deveopers to share news. And that IS the bottom line.

I have learnt, however to use the forums and other third party sources for information as I now know CCP don't put the information where it should be. IN game.

It's not my fault.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234

Note this was posted on febuary.

IFor all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

A ton of ******* good that did for those of us trained before February.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234

Note this was posted on febuary.

First time I've seen this. I wouldn't describe my Eve activities as living under a rock.

Same, If something like this had been posted in game to everyone it wouldn't have been missed by a single player.

You managed to find your way onto the forums to whine pretty easily, you had months to do the same thing to find out about patch notes and expansions.

It's your own fault, these changes have been plastered everywhere since Feburary.

Everywhere except the one place it matters. In game.

Everywhere that matters, including in-game.

GǪnot that in-game is a particularly normal or natural place for such information since it's commonly something that's posted on the official game website. Such as this one. Kind of like what they did with this information. Half a year ago. Actually, one and a half a year ago, if we look for the original announcement.

Who said anything about GÇ£every EVE forum out thereGÇ¥?

So after you having missed out on crucial information because you didn't pay attention to the official EVE forums, and a page of people telling you that if you had paid attention to the official EVE forums you would have been informed, your conclusion is that your attention doesn't belong on the forums? Let's see if you can spot the error in your reasoning hereGǪ

I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault. Forums are separate from the game and players aren't expected to use them. Important information like this should be posted in-game where there's no excuse to missing it. Forums aren't the primary place for game deveopers to share news. And that IS the bottom line.

I have learnt, however to use the forums and other third party sources for information as I now know CCP don't put the information where it should be. IN game.

Deciding not to go to the primary source of information is pretty much your fault, especially when it's being advertised from in-game. You're not the first one to make this mistake, but it is still a mistake to not seek out that source of information.

Yes it is. That's the whole point of having forums.

GǪor you can just skip the third-party source and go for the first-party source: the developers themselves and the information they put out in blogs, forum posts, news items GÇö all conveniently gathered in a single place.

So you expect each and every player to regularly go to the EVE website to check if they're being screwed over? If that's the case that's unaaceptable and should NOT be expected.

Give us new guys a break and loosen up with your elite-ism.

Everywhere except the one place it matters. In game.

I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault. Forums are separate from the game and players aren't expected to use them. Important information like this should be posted in-game where there's no excuse to missing it. Forums aren't the primary place for game deveopers to share news. And that IS the bottom line.

I have learnt, however to use the forums and other third party sources for information as I now know CCP don't put the information where it should be. IN game.

lol. and what would be the alternative ... DEVS personally knocking on your door to discuss the next expansion?

Actually an in-game Mail would've been sufficient.

Not to mention the SAME forums that have been talking about the changes for some time.

The SAME forums he came to in order to write up a complaint.

You're not the victim here, you're a ****** who apparently doesn't know how to read.

Before today i've never had a reason to come to these forums. This is the first time i've ever been here.

Yep, that's got to be it. Great input.

Same, If something like this had been posted in game to everyone it wouldn't have been missed by a single player.

Yep, that's got to be it. Great input.

So you come here to whine am i right?

Before today i've never had a reason to come to these forums. This is the first time i've ever been here.

CCP provided information about the changes way in advance via:
1. Dev Blog on Forum
2. Link to same Dev Blog with Information in Launcher
3. Another link on your character selection sidebar
4. On the default start page of the INGAME browser
5. Through Newsletter to your RL mailbox

You might think they should spray it across the stars or spam our ingame mailboxes with dev mails.
I disagree. And of the many many MMOs I play and have played, I don't know one that does that. (Perhaps in WOW Pandas come hobbling along and hand you the patch notes? I don't know...)

In addition to that I might add you will not ever enjoy the full scope of EVE if you don't take part in meta-gaming around it.
Something will always hit you by surprise and it will be "unfair"... lets say when your beautiful freighters are hit by Hulkageddon or the next Burn Jita.

Gods know CCP is doing a lot to make it easier and easier for new players...

Now instead of whining learn from this and next time open your eyes and look in the places news are posted in EVE.
For your own sake.

It actually is, considering this information has been available on the launcher at login.

Alot of players login straight away. It's not a good place for important infomation as it's easily missed.

Bet you won't anymore now will you...

The bottom line there would've been not a single player left in the dark if CCP had just sent a mail to everyone It would be in the players face every time they logged in until they actually opened it and read it.

Hiding it on the side of a launcher is not good enough.

Forums are the last place I would go for useful information because it's populated by vicious, elitist, unforgiving trolls who can only offer information on how much of an idiot you are.

YES, I will concede. This could all have been avoided if I had come to the forums and stumbled on the relevant link to the skill training changes. However that just simply shifts the blame off of CCP and on to the new guy that doesn't know what he's doing in this VERY complex game for which it is so infamous for.

You cannot blame the newbie for not branching out to every source out there for tips on how not to get screwed over. This is unacceptable and more blame should be placed on CCP.

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*Shields face from the incoming abuse*

I think i'm starting to get the trend here.

New players = Stupid and should not even try to play the game

Voicing opinions on forums = Attack player at once, regardless of thread's content.

Every single reply so far (except one) has been telling me that I didn't go and look for the information. If this information is so obvious and in my face like you're all saying then why did I not know? Obviously the information was not in a place that is seen by all players, including the new ones such as myself.

The bottom line there would've been not a single player left in the dark if CCP had just sent a mail to everyone It would be in the players face every time they logged in until they actually opened it and read it.

Hiding it on the side of a launcher is not good enough.

Forums are the last place I would go for useful information because it's populated by vicious, elitist, unforgiving trolls who can only offer information on how much of an idiot you are.

YES, I will concede. This could all have been avoided if I had come to the forums and stumbled on the relevant link to the skill training changes. However that just simply shifts the blame off of CCP and on to the new guy that doesn't know what he's doing in this VERY complex game for which it is so infamous for.

You cannot blame the newbie for not branching out to every source out there for tips on how not to get screwed over. This is unacceptable and more blame should be placed on CCP.

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*Shields face from the incoming abuse*

I think i'm starting to get the trend here.

New players = Stupid and should not even try to play the game

Voicing opinions on forums = Attack player at once, regardless of thread's content.

Every single reply so far (except one) has been telling me that I didn't go and look for the information. If this information is so obvious and in my face like you're all saying then why did I not know? Obviously the information was not in a place that is seen by all players, including the new ones such as myself.

Hiding it on the side of a launcher is not good enough.

Forums are the last place I would go for useful information because it's populated by vicious, elitist, unforgiving trolls who can only offer information on how much of an idiot you are.

You've got cause and consequence mixed up there. You are getting the impression that the forums are populated by vicious, elitist, and unforgiving trolls because you choose not to go there to stay informed, and as a result miss out on very easy-to-find information that would have solved your issues without minimal effort from your part. The supposed viciousness and lack of forgiveness is a fairly direct result of you trying to shift the blame away from your own mistake and onto others.

Expecting newbies to go to the single self-evident source of game information is not much of a demand. Your problem is not a newbie problem GÇö it's a wilful ignorance problem. The two are not connected (in fact, newbies are often very eager to learn from mistakes, whereas you seem to be thoroughly reluctant to do so). The blame is yours and yours alone, which is only further reinforced by your hyperbole about what the demands on those newbies are. It only shows that you're still not learning. People will often try to make a distinction between newbie and n00bGǪ and you're slowly but surely planting yourself on the wrong side of that distinction.

Every single reply so far (except one) has been telling me that I didn't go and look for the information. If this information is so obvious and in my face like you're all saying then why did I not know? Obviously the information was not in a place that is seen by all players, including the new ones such as myself.

Thanks for the laugh

Yes. I could have prevented this. But CCP, the developers could have also prevented this. They have the resources. It isn't my job to come home every night and begin researching "How not to get screwed in EVE Online".

This link http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/74234 should not have been left amongst the forums or where ever it was. It should have been directly sent to each player via mail.

If you want to stay informed, make sure you stay informed. It's a very simple maxim.

These examples aren't brilliant but I don't know how else I can get my point across.

So, you are saying that you are deaf and blind, and so you should be moved off of the train tracks?

It's unfair to blame the victim who's been stabbed just because the person stabbing him said he was going to stab him.

Yep, that's got to be it. Great input.

Then I recommend you biomass your characters now, ask CCP for a refund and put that money towards Hello Kitty Online.

Guess what, we are all cheering for the Train.

You're the CEO of a 22-man corporation so paying attention to the broader goings on of Eve Online should be one of your responsibilities anyway.

Changes to the gameplay from things like mechanics tweaks, new modules and ship rebalancing can have a profound affect on your corps activities and a savvy CEO will be absorbing every word that CCP says in its devblogs in case there's something there relevant to you which can give you an edge or avoid a pitfall.

I'm not savvy. I'm still learning.

Actually, CCP could have sent every active account an Eve Mail with a list of the changes along with an explanation of those changes.

No where does it say when you subscribe to this game that you have to research the internet or be an active member of these forums just to gain important info about the game.



DMC

Well said, my point exactly.

I said it earlier in this thread, I'll say it again: FIVE(!) different ways to access the changes of a planned Game Expansion (not just a patch - it is an expansion, if you didn't understand that either...) is more than enough.

CCP provided information about the changes way in advance via:
1. Dev Blog on Forum
2. Link to same Dev Blog with Information in Launcher
3. Another link on your character selection sidebar
4. On the default start page of the INGAME browser
5. Through Newsletter to your RL mailbox

You get sarcasm, right ?

FAIL

I'll go ahead and reply to this since you and many others are just not getting it.

1. I Dont use the forums
2. When the launcher comes up in log in straight away.
3. On the character sheet I select my one and only character and begin playing straight away, my eyes don't wonder around the window.
4. I dont use the ingame browser.
5. I Don't check my email, I've had no reason to keep up to date with the millions of junk mail sent to me daily.

Where would I check? EVE mail. That's where it should have been sent and that's where I, and many others would have gotten the information. the most OBVIOUS place to send it.

Stop hiding behind your "should've checked here" stories. they're the wrong places. IN game is where it matters.

Do you have the faintest idea of how many mails you get once you actually do start to play EVE?
And EVE Mails are text mails with a limit... How the heck would they put all the very detailed information including many pictures - because you certainly are the type that doesn't like to read long texts?

You get sarcasm, right ?

FAIL

CCP provided information about the changes way in advance via:
1. Dev Blog on Forum
2. Link to same Dev Blog with Information in Launcher
3. Another link on your character selection sidebar
4. On the default start page of the INGAME browser
5. Through Newsletter to your RL mailbox

I'll go ahead and reply to this since you and many others are just not getting it.

1. I Dont use the forums
2. When the launcher comes up in log in straight away.
3. On the character sheet I select my one and only character and begin playing straight away, my eyes don't wonder around the window.
4. I dont use the ingame browser.
5. I Don't check my email, I've had no reason to keep up to date with the millions of junk mail sent to me daily.

Where would I check? EVE mail. That's where it should have been sent and that's where I, and many others would have gotten the information. the most OBVIOUS place to send it.

Stop hiding behind your "should've checked here" stories. they're the wrong places. IN game is where it matters.

They don't actually have to put the website in the mail, they can just link it there with the necessary information explaining what it's about.

On the bright side, you no longer need a racial industrial 5. Sadly, you never read the devblog

I'll go ahead and reply to this since you and many others are just not getting it.

1. I Dont use the forums
2. When the launcher comes up in log in straight away.
3. On the character sheet I select my one and only character and begin playing straight away, my eyes don't wonder around the window.
4. I dont use the ingame browser.
5. I Don't check my email, I've had no reason to keep up to date with the millions of junk mail sent to me daily.

Where would I check? EVE mail. That's where it should have been sent and that's where I, and many others would have gotten the information. the most OBVIOUS place to send it.

Stop hiding behind your "should've checked here" stories. they're the wrong places. IN game is where it matters.

Such ignorance.

Ok, I will bite.

Point 1....you managed to find the forums today to post, and I presume you did some sort of internet search to figure out how that works.

Anyway

the patch notes are 55 (Fifty-five) pages or so long.

Would you have read those in an eve-mail. Would you have read each and every blog if it was copied into an evemail. So far we know it is nothing short of a miracle that you even found out how fit a ship, as that requires the internet.

The odyssey resource rebalancing blog is several pages. Evemail is 8000 characters long. Not 8000 letter or words, 8000 characters including spaces.


I am guessing you are new to gaming, because, in the 8 years I have played WoW (Yes, I am that person), and the years in other MMOs , I have never ever ever recieved an ingame mail telling me about any changes to my class which might affect me in the upcoming patch. "By the way, your class is getting nerfed tomorrow, you might want to start thinking about your respec, by the way, we are introducing pandas"

To summarise:

Started training for a freighter 1 month ago.
less than 24 hours to go until all skills completed.
Odyssey is released.
24 days left for freighter all over again.

A hmmm just go away , it's people like you ruining the game, with all the sperg and angst, eve was harmonious till you 12 year olds came here from wow.

No, I just don't wonder around the internet while playing EVE as much as you do. Sorry about that.

I actually pay more attention to the game it's self. Sue me.

I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault. Forums are separate from the game and players aren't expected to use them. Important information like this should be posted in-game where there's no excuse to missing it. Forums aren't the primary place for game deveopers to share news. And that IS the bottom line.

24hrs too late.

Have to be able to fly the ship before the new expansion. It can be cooking in the queue with 1 min remaining before downtime, but it was 1 min you still couldn't fly that hull.

It's why they advised people who were cramming to fly Command ships before the new expansion to not only insert the skill, to make sure to level it to 1.

#1 - Forum use not required to play this game.
#2 - Launcher not user friendly, very small and buggy.
#3 - News section in character selection screen, not reliable and buggy.
#4 - In-Game Browser use not required to play this game, not reliable and buggy.
#5 - Newsletter definitely not reliable and mostly non-existent.


Within my 5 yrs of playing this game I've never received a Newsletter from CCP. Twice I've received a regular Email message to partake in a survey. All other notifications from CCP are automatically created, such as a response to petition or administration warning or notice about subscription expire / renewal.


DMC

EDIT:

CCP sent everyone a notice in-game to vote for the CSM. They can surely do the same for important changes to the game which will affect everyone.

I see a lot of new characters all stroking the same BS, obviously they have either too much time on their hands due to having no real life or simply just don't play the game.

I know that now, unfortunately I couldn't get it inserted until moments after the update happened. Just very unlucky I guess.

I did not make a mistake. It's not my fault. Forums are separate from the game and players aren't expected to use them..

Yes you did. Yes it is. No they aren't and yes they are.

Furthermore the change was amply and repeatedly communicated through devblogs. What the hell else did you expect CCP to do? Send you a kissagram?

You screwed up, son. Suck it up and deal with it like an adult.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. This is the funniest story ever. I hope your ignorance serves you well up to ASC V.

I don't read blogs. I don't even know what a blog is or what it's meant to even stand for. Players are NOT expected to go outside of the game to other websites doing research. That's just not how it works.

As said earlier, you sure had no problems finding the forums to come and whine.

And as also said earlier, the news items on the GAME LAUNCHER which you ignored also contained the information.

However, since I'm your friendly player representative, I'll contract you a PERC and WILL implant to help you on your way training those 6 million SP if you like. Can't say fairer than that.

This change has been incoming for ages, literally you must have been living under a rock to miss it. But anyway, even if so, you still have a valuable skill there, industrial ships V is a good skill you will find it invaluable trust me. And also you would have needed to train advanced spaceship command anyway if you were serious about flying a freighter. So just put this one down as a mistake and remember to look at the dev blogs from time to time. Luckily you got of this one lightly.

Erm.. I'm assuming you're offering me something but I don't know what that is.. I'll do a quick internet search. Thank you for the offer, regardless

If you don't know what stat implants are, then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost by never talking to other players or reading the official information channels. Spaceship command skills like Batttlecruisers and Destroyers have a training rate based on your PERCeption and WILL character stats. Implants can increase those stats and therefore your training speed.

then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost

There are news bulletins to the right of the character select screen? did you just ignore that for the last 1.5 years?

I hope that you've learned that keeping yourself up to date on upcoming game changes can be very much to your advantage.

Oh, I know about implants. I just didn't understand "PERC", I'm not familiar with all the EVE lingo quite just yet.



Have you? I don't feel any different..

I believe he sent you some implants, to reduce your skill queues

Check your contracts

If you don't know what stat implants are, then I've just helped you get more than the 6M SP you've lost by never talking to other players or reading the official information channels. Spaceship command skills like Batttlecruisers and Destroyers have a training rate based on your PERCeption and WILL character stats. Implants can increase those stats and therefore your training speed.

Incidentally ALL MMOs communicate to their playerbase via their websites. CCP are unusually diligent in also communicating via their forums. It is not practical to send an email concerning every change, as CCP make many dozens of changes in every expansion cycle, and all of them are important to someone. It's your responsibility to keep yourself informed by the official channels.

I hope that you've learned that keeping yourself up to date on upcoming game changes can be very much to your advantage.

This guy is hopeless and will never get it.

EVE is an adult game.

EVE has a tradition of "out of game" tools (EFT, Evemon, EVE-Survival, the wiki etc etc) and indirect communication with it's players (communicating through blogs, the CSM etc).

That's what I thought he meant too. I don't have any contracts assigned to me though..

PERC = Perception


I believe he sent you some implants, to reduce your skill queues

Check your contracts

Blood for cream

Incorrect.



Like I've already said, many times. I'm a new player. What good is tradition or history for a new player? Oh wait you expect me to take a history class on EVE for that, don't you?

Bunch of cunts.21 days to fly a ship Ive been flying for ages.So much for if you could fly it before you can fly it now.And I don't spend hours reading forums to find out information with so many trolls and wankers making useless comments.ccps information conveyance is ****.Totally ******* useless

Well, I'm at work now. I will send them in a few hours.

What ship is it that you can't fly now?

Oh, I appreciate the gesture. Thank you!

Yep, if using Google can be called a history class. You yourself said you heard of Odyssey 2 weeks ago, that was 14 days where it could have danwed on you "hey, the game is changing, I better read up".

Look at the time you've wasted trying to defending your own incompetence and mistake when you could have been learning something. Doesn't it tell you something that so few of your fellow players aren't on your side?

Today I got to strike two thing from my list of 'Things to do in EvE'.

1. Place a corp bounty (100M)
2. Place a personal bounty (100K)

Thank you for the assistance OP.

Not all of us are both rude AND psychotic.


Some are even neither.




I just concentrate on trying not to be rude.

Players don't need to read about what's changing. Many of us are happy to play the game as it is when the new expansion comes out.

However that being said, I have watched every video CCP has posted on YouTube and nowhere was it even mentioned that ship skill prerequisites would be changed. That's plenty of interest on my part. I watched them because they interested me, not because I felt the need to do it for my own protected.

My fellow players? Give me a break. If I've learned anything from my forum experience over the past two days it's that "my fellow pilots" are my enemies and they certainty aren't on my side.

However that being said, I have watched every video CCP has posted on YouTube and nowhere was it even mentioned that ship skill prerequisites would be changed. That's plenty of interest on my part. I watched them because they interested me, not because I felt the need to do it for my own protected.

Yay! Another Providence pilot. Or at least.. another in about three weeks or so.
At any rate, can't have enough of us flying the sexiest ship in EVE.

On a more serious note however, Zaryte. You'll find (and have found out already) that you will receive very little sympathy on the forums here. In general the EVE community is a lot friendlier than any other mmo-community in my opinion. Yet, there's one golden rule the community expects everyone to be: BE INFORMED. If you want to play in a sandbox, you have to know what goes on in the sandbox. Don't complain your freighter going poof during a Burn Jita. The Goons are nice enough to warn everyone here about it weeks before they will attack, so those not willing to risk their freighters, will simply avoid the area.

You do have a point somewhat in that if you're new, you have to get used to the massive amount of information. But what I don't understand is this:

You are in a corp N-Lightning that has 27 members (as of this moment). Any decent CEO or officer will at some point mention that these changes were going to come in Odyssey. Either through in-game mail to new members, or through the Message of the Day in your corp channel. It's not your CEO's fault for not doing it, you can't put the blame on him, but if you at least would have mentioned your plan in skilling up for the Providence, then some corp-members would have told you about the upcoming change.

The more you get yourself involved, the more people will help you out in providing information you did not know yet. All of this could have been avoided if you were more active within this community in the beginning. Visit the forums, read the dev blogs, attend ISD's seminars, and talk frequently in your corps channel. As a matter of fact, if you would have joined the in-game help channel (so just by your standards that the forums etc. are only optional), then you would have seen the message about it as I know the ISD's had it mentioned in their Message of the Day of the help channel for several months.

All that is left now is to just accept what happened. CCP won't refund you your skillpoints you feel you wasted in Amarr Industrial IV and V. Because with the Amarr Industrial to V, it will give you access to the best of the best industrial ships have to offer: the Deep Space Transport and Blockade Runner. Just learn the Transport Ships skill to I and you'll be able to fly both. Not really wasted at all huh?

As for the Providence, just skill up on the Advanced Spaceship Command to V. Just keep at it. Only three weeks to go. Chop chop.

I'm really unhappy.. Last night before I went to bed, I had less than 24 hours left to fly the Providence freighter. I woke up this morning and got on EVE and noticed I got the 50,000 skill point compensation from CCP. So obviously, I spent it on the final portion of Amarr industrial 5 and was then going to put the remaining points into the Freighter level 1 skill so I could fly the Providence straight away.

Then, to my UTTER despair.. I see the new skill required. Advanced Spaceship command 5. This has added an additional 24 days to my training time for the Freighter and I can't help but feel like i've been cheated out of my time. My other accounts are the same distance away from the very same ship and I haven't put any time into that ship on those accounts at all. The last month of training has all been wasted.. I find myself unable to fly the ships I previously could and on top of that, the one thing I had been working towards for the last month was taken away from me just hours before getting the skills required.

All that being said, the update is good and I can see alot of work has been put into it. But I just can't get over this feeling of being cheated out of my training time. This isn't fair and i'm really unhappy that i'm one of the unfortunate ones to lose out on skill points. I know there are lots of people out there who worked around this update and basically got literally millions of FREE skill points just because they trained certain skills in certain orders. This is an unfair advantage.

To summarise:

Started training for a freighter 1 month ago.
less than 24 hours to go until all skills completed.
Odyssey is released.
24 days left for freighter all over again.

And note, that's not an additional 24 days on top of the skills i've trained. That's 24 days of different skills altogether, so the previous month of skills were mostly for nothing.

Is this really just meant to be "accepted"?

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Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:

For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

I don't follow. Are you saying i'm rude for thanking him..?

No, I was saying Im a psychotic.

Why would you assume I was saying that?

Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault.

CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know this is wrong.

This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated.

Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs.

I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.

Yes I could have avoided this.

Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault.

CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know this is wrong.

This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated.

Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs.

I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.

I bet its a frieghter. No Advanced Spaceship Command Five.

Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault.

CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know what is wrong.

This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated.

Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs.

I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.

I wondered if he's actually tried to fly it, or if he's just run to the forums to complain.

I'm not sure really, you quoted me thanking him then went on to talk about rudeness, didn't quite understand.

correct, so you have no right to complain.

please excuse me while i try and figure out which of my 4 racial freighters i'd like to fly today.

Losing a ship for whatever reason is my fault.

CCP did this to me, I didn't do it to myself. I'm not going to claim this is my fault just to satisfy you and the others. I stand by what I believe is right and I know this is wrong.

This punishment of 24 days is wrong, considering I was mere hours from flying the ship. This should be compensated.

Yes I could have avoided this, but it's not my burden to. It's CCPs.

I think the real problem here is you're just FAR too harsh. loosen up, just a little.

How dare you demand that people test stuff before complaining about them???

NONSENSE!!!

I was only trying to say that some of us would rather be helpful than obstructive.

Ok, this thread is now about a freighter race....

Rules:

We have to swap freighters every 5 jumps.

No ice mining barges allowed Mr Stark, and an Orca is not a freighter

And no Im not calling you obstructive either

For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

Wow, it's been a while since i last had the pleasure of replying to an intelligent, constructive post. Thank you sir.

I pretty much agree with most of what you've said. I do know this could have all been avoided if I had just put more effort into researching more about the game I play. I just don't think 100% of the blame is on my shoulders, and I don't think I ever will.

So, since you cant deny you weren't here and missed it: http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for

And on a side note (having a bad headache, but this thread really soothes my pain, since yours must be so much worse), it is strange, even though some try to run to your aid (in theory, not even being compassionate in your misery), that I see no one else complaining they missed it, not 10 year accounts, not 2 week trials, because they did not or realized they would be the laughing stock of the community by exhibiting their ignorance.

Yet you persist - kind of says all about your intellect and awareness!

And the ones complaining about not being able to fly ships, actually have valid points beyond being ignorant, because they mostly forgot to upgrade their clones and miss points after being podded. And they thank the first replier for pointing it out and admit the missed opportunity and move on, those got like 4 posts total in a thread and are sunk in the void of done conversations.

Yet yours persist - because and not only goons life of the tears of misery

Thank you again for the entertainment.

Contract up, Zaryte. I hope they help you learn.

Edit: I was expecting this negative feedback. but i'll add this:

For all those saying I had over a year of knowing this would happen, I'm only 5 months old. I shouldn't be expected to go looking around on forums for this kind of thing. Why would I be doing that? Don't you think if I knew something like this was going to happen i'd be more prepared? Like I said, I began my training for the freighter only a month ago. I didn't even know what odyssey WAS until about 2 weeks ago.

once in a while even I might stop and have a look, and if a monkey starts to throw bananas at spectators I am not disinclined to throw it back for the monkeys entertainment.

At this point i'm no longer defending my argument. I'm just defending myself from the constant barrage of personal insults. You're getting to the point where you're just displaying that you enjoy laughing at those of us who were unfortunate enough to miss the information...

I count at least one post in the thread that was helpful to you. That the rest are just endless variations on "read the forum n00b" doesn't make this a bad thread, all things considered. No, it wasn't all your fault, and now you know to spend time here if you want to avoid further unpleasant surprises.

Don't let the posturing get you down.

My fellow players? Give me a break. If i've learnt anything from my forum experience over the past two days it's that "my fellow pilots" are my enemies and they certainty aren't on my side.

Example:

Ok, this thread is now about a freighter race....

Rules:

We have to swap freighters every 5 jumps.

No ice mining barges allowed Mr Stark, and an Orca is not a freighter