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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.06 21:33:00 -
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After the initial knee-jerk, reaction, Harle, most people admit its a fake.
However, what we're most curious about is what TTI were thinking when they posted it.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mission
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Posted - 2003.08.06 21:39:00 -
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/yawn
u won't be told will you.
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Tholian
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Posted - 2003.08.06 21:40:00 -
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I'm in TTI, feel free to look me up ingame if you don't believe me. But I will say that the screenshot ISN'T fake. I don't have any concrete proof other than that if you are in TTI you can open our corp hangar in our base here in Venal and look at the mining laser. Believe me or not, I don't care, I just thought i'd throw that out for everyone. 
"The Truth speaks for itself..." (I always did want to use that quote from Babylon 5  ) |
Mission
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Posted - 2003.08.06 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Mission on 06/08/2003 21:55:57
Edited by: Mission on 06/08/2003 21:55:41
who ever posted about the jovian agent giving it... probably believed it.
Maybe TTi believed it when they bought it from whoever sold it last.
???? Josh
the SS on mine is opaque
http://www.lyndalou.btinternet.co.uk/nebilung.jpg
edit: i mean ISN't
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.08.06 22:01:00 -
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 Quote:
/yawn
u won't be told will you.
that's called a 'rhtetorical question,' Miss... you should know. TTI and their shills are most adept at rhetoric.
But let's make it simpler, so you understand it.
"wow, TTI are a bunch of humourless ego-inflated jackasses for THIS*****-up, huh? They must thrive on contempt or some twisted Randy principle that assures that that if people hate you, you must be doing something right, which is probably also why they like shacking up with pirates."
That easier on your limited faculties?
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.06 22:55:00 -
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I have a whole hangar full of basic miners now. I'm waiting for them to grow...
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Daan
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Posted - 2003.08.06 22:59:00 -
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I'm in TTI, feel free to look me up ingame if you don't believe me. But I will say that the screenshot ISN'T fake. I don't have any concrete proof other than that if you are in TTI you can open our corp hangar in our base here in Venal and look at the mining laser. Believe me or not, I don't care, I just thought i'd throw that out for everyone.
"The Truth speaks for itself..." (I always did want to use that quote from Babylon 5 )
make a ss from the laser, inside the hangar then, and not a lousy 1024x768, more like 1600x1200 res :)
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:01:00 -
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you need rubins too, as they seed the basics, out of which grows the precious.
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Shollos
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:12:00 -
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so not only was it an accident they got the one. it was an accident *10* times over? wow, thats some insanely good luck, lol.
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Callidus
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:16:00 -
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This isn't the mining laser you are looking for. Move along.
What you saw was not the mining laser, it was the planet Venus.
Callidus
TTI Corp
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Main
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:20:00 -
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joshua, you have those mining lasers, oh my gosh, i am so disappointed you haven't shared them with the rest of the corporation.
Main
Everlasting Vendetta Veteran
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Roark
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:34:00 -
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Here is another screenshot. Taggart would not lie or cheat about such a thing. It is not what we are about. We play this game straight up.
Some of you need to grab your diapers and jump back in the sandbox.
http://www.taggarttransdimensional.com/fiction/images/screen2.jpg
Jovian items are introduced into the game, and they find their way to the wealthiest corporations. Why do you think the richest people in the US own the most famous home run balls hit? Do you think that Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth hit them to them personally so they could catch it?
Free market baby... best stuff goes to where the most money is. Make fun of TTI for our economic theory and prowess as much as you want in public and continue coming to us in private for the best items in the universe.
Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com |
Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:45:00 -
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keep singin little bird...
Stav
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Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:46:00 -
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Wow Roark... that's really very funny you should say that. Since I'm in the CSM meeting talking to devs right now and they say that all the new stuff will not be given to the richest corps, but that everyone will have a chance at it.
Wait for a log on this soon... and I'm going to ask them about this mining laser of yours.
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I used to be in the FA. I like cookies. Eve Radio is teh pwn. |
SirMolle
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:47:00 -
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continue coming to us in private for the best items in the universe.
Yep, got a bid for 50 mill on Ayn Rands corpse, will be looking for more.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:49:00 -
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"Here is another screenshot. Taggart would not lie or cheat about such a thing."
... It's nice shot, but the way it's arranged doesn't really answer the question. Is Taggart in possession of a single unit of this item, or like the original announcement suggests, is there enough of it to allow TTi to sell it to others in bulk quantities?..
Am sure you can see how while hardly anyone could care less about the former, the latter option would simply put in question the whole point of introduction of lvl.2-4 mining equipment.. *shrugs*
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Fart Nugget
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:50:00 -
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Some of you need to grab your diapers and jump back in the sandbox.
TTI braggarts sure are making a lot of friends today.
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Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Arathmon on 06/08/2003 23:52:07
And here is the verdict: it is real. There is, however, a catch...
[ 2003.08.06 23:48:48 ] Arathmon > Now for something that has just cropped up recently on the boards: TTi is claiming to have a 'Nibelung' Particle Bore Stream V. Is there any truth to this and could a GM make a statement on it soon? It is making quite a stir on the boards currently.
[ 2003.08.06 23:49:01 ] Eldariel > :)
[ 2003.08.06 23:49:17 ] TomB > the cause is our
[ 2003.08.06 23:49:18 ] Hellmar > they will all be revoked, promptly
[ 2003.08.06 23:49:25 ] Arathmon > ah... can I quote you on that?
[ 2003.08.06 23:49:26 ] Arathmon > :)
[ 2003.08.06 23:50:32 ] TomB > reason was a ship that is not used by players and had this mining laser as starting equipment, ship exploded and player looted it
[ 2003.08.06 23:50:34 ] Hellmar > I think all that is said here is quotable
[ 2003.08.06 23:50:37 ] Pann > Arathmon, nothing that is said here is confidential.
[ 2003.08.06 23:50:56 ] Arathmon > I know :P
[ 2003.08.06 23:51:01 ] Arathmon > just being facetious
[ 2003.08.06 23:51:11 ] TomB > the mining lasers will sadly be removed from players holding them
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I used to be in the FA. I like cookies. Eve Radio is teh pwn. |
Arathmon
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Posted - 2003.08.06 23:54:00 -
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Ah... Hellmar has just said that they are not Jove lasers anyway.
"Too bad it weren't Jove Lasers that were leaked.
those are the coolest thing in eve."
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I used to be in the FA. I like cookies. Eve Radio is teh pwn. |
Endureth
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:15:00 -
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[ 2003.08.06 23:51:11 ] TomB > the mining lasers will sadly be removed from players holding them
Why "sadly" removed?
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:24:00 -
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I'd like to comment on the accusations that TTI has "cheated" and "exploited".
An individual in the game contacted a TTI member and stated a Jovian had given this item to him. He wished to trade this item for another object in the game produced by TTI.
As TTI is probably the wealthiest company in the game it is only logical that someone wanting cash or materials would contact us for a trade knowing we have the resources to conduct such a trade.
The person reported a Jovian had talked to him in game, gaining "information" about his mining activities (right in line with the role-playing nature of Jovians seeking information). The person then docked at a station.
The Jovian messaged him that he had left something outside and to undock immediately. The person did this and found the Jovian was gone but a cargo container was outside with this mining laser in it.
The person then contacted TTI about selling it. I can tell you the price of a battleship pales in comparison to what an item like this is worth.
TTI negotiated and subsequently purchased the item from the member. After running tests to verify its authenticity (indeed I was skeptical about it and warned it might be a photoshop trick when WE we're sent emails about it) the Venal Alliance posted a statement.
CCP has contacted our member and asked for the name of this other "member" which was provided to them (of course). We are committed to playing fair and NOT exploiting or cheating. The name of the Jovian was also provided although we personally have no information as to whether or not this is a GM or CCP member.
Transaction logs will show the course of events. It is our firm belief we operated ENTIRELY within the game mechanics of capitalism and free trade in purchasing this item at a very substantial cost. As we only have the original persons statement as to how the miner was obtained we can not verify the truthfulness of his claim.
That being said though the "in game role-playing" persona of the Jovians indicates a being who is obsessed with the accumulation of knowledge above all else. This would fit entirely into the story told to us by the finder of this mining laser. The Jovian asked him about mining, what he was doing, and other basic information. This is entirely in character (as far as I'm concerned) as to my impression of a Jovian contact situation.
That being said we will see what CCP says. They have the logs of this event and know we have not exploited or cheated to obtain this device. The device is factual and is not a photoshop trick nor is it a "fraud". We invite CCP to post a reply here regarding the logs and to issue a statement indicating TTI has obtained this device ENTIRELY within the mechanics of this game using NO exploits or cheats.
On a personal note I'm very offended that given our history of exposing cheaters and exploiters (we are very outspoken about it) people would accuse us of using these tactics. Rest assured ANYONE discovered by TTI using these methods will be booted from this company. There is no "second chance" here in regards to exploits and cheats.
Calladen Nimitz
TTI Executive
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:25:00 -
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I will add that given the fact TTI has operated in good faith in this transaction and done nothing wrong we fully expect CCP to issue a refund of ALL money and products in the transaction if they deem the item is to be removed.
Calladen Nimitz
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:39:00 -
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I will add that given the fact TTI has operated in good faith in this transaction and done nothing wrong we fully expect CCP to issue a refund of ALL money and products in the transaction if they deem the item is to be removed.
Calladen Nimitz
Now THAT is blatantly taking the ****.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 07/08/2003 00:53:17
Edited by: Stavros on 07/08/2003 00:47:36
Ok so let me get this straight..
By your own admission you LIKE to expose cheaters and exploiters, and you by your own admission are one of the richest corps in the game. You also have a high number of polaris members in your corp.
Ok...
So some guy comes along and offers you some stuff tech level 5 items that you know FULL well are not available legitimately in game at the moment. Ok so thats what happened...
Now let us look at the facts, NONE of the polaris members of TTI kicked up a stink, yet if jove items were in game as you claim they would DEFINITELY be the first to know.
Secondly if you are so keen on exposing cheaters and exploiters as you say, why not at least check the tech 5 lasers with gms before using them? And if they are found to be fishy report the guy who sold them...
Something stinks here and there are only two possible options as to what happened.
TTI and their polaris people knew about the lasers being dodgey and just 'forgot' to do anything about it.
OR
None of the polaris and other members thought that there was ANYTHING suspicious about an anonymous guy turning up with equipment that is 4 tech levels above what is currently available.
Are you SERIOUSLY saing you were too inane to wonder how the HELL the guns came into the game?
AND THEN YOU ASK FOR A REFUND?
PUUUUUHLEASE...
You are lucky they are just taking the guns off of you, there are members in tti charged with protecting and sheperding the eve community and THIS is how they behave...
Nice show guys!
Oh hey btw, the other day I was in space and this guy turned up with a titan, he said a jove gave it to me WINK WINK and sold it to me for 1mil OMG HOW GOOD EH?
Stav
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:49:00 -
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Well its true Morkdt. We bought an item from someone in good faith. We have no way of knowing how he obtained it. He told us a story about a Jovian which honestly is right on target with the "role playing information seeking Jovians" we hear about.
Personally if it was a loot item from an exploding ship I would think differently. Until we know from CCP we need to wait and see. That being said we expect a FULL refund for this item as we operated in good faith.
We vigrously defend our right to buy whatever we want and encourage anyone else with unusual items to contact us. CCP's logs show we do not exploit merely purchase. It's called CAPITALISM and it works.
Calladen Nimitz
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:54:00 -
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and dude stop this WE ARE THE RICHEST CORP IN GAME stuff, you arent even close, go check out stain sometime...
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:56:00 -
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Sounds to me like quite a few Polaris members need to have their privileges revoked. If CCP cares about their game they will do so.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:56:00 -
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Quite frankly 'F*CK your expectations' for a refund !! 
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.07 00:59:00 -
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Stavos, I won't get into a flame war with you here, we acted in good faith in buying an item from a player in the game. That is ALL we did.
If CCP removes this item from our possession we expect a full refund. We acted in good faith and ENTIRELY within the mechanics of this game.
I have some questions though regarding new tech in this game. Are you suggesting we should email CCP everytime we see a new item ingame to make sure its "ok"?
The entire Jovian personna is one of "information seeking" and "high tech". What would they have left this guy in a can.... a shovel?
This event as reported to us by the person who sold us this miner indicates what I perceive to be a very realistic Jovian first-contact situation. It is how I would play a Jovian. They are a highly advanced race and have high-tech devices.
The point is all we did was take this guys word for it as to how he obtained it. The story sounded good (still sounds good) and is right in line with the perception we all have of Jovians. We've already posted the Jovians name on fiction page as you can see the name this guy provided us WAS factual.
Personally I expect CCP to issue a statement regarding TTI's actions in this event. You can't honestly expect people to ask CCP for an "ok" everytime a new tech device shows up can you? We acted within the game parameters and in good faith with someone. If the beam was obtained in a way other then what this person relayed to us then I expect it to be removed. I also expect TTI, an innocent party, to be fully compensated.
Calladen Nimitz
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:01:00 -
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GM's already told us what this was, there was some kind of starting ship, non player controlled that a player killed and these miners dropped. Its not Jove tech its tech 5. It wasnt given to anyone from a GM and the items will be removed from the players holding them.
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