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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:02:00 -
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Well its true Morkdt. We bought an item from someone in good faith. We have no way of knowing how he obtained it. He told us a story about a Jovian which honestly is right on target with the "role playing information seeking Jovians" we hear about.
Personally if it was a loot item from an exploding ship I would think differently. Until we know from CCP we need to wait and see. That being said we expect a FULL refund for this item as we operated in good faith.
We vigrously defend our right to buy whatever we want and encourage anyone else with unusual items to contact us. CCP's logs show we do not exploit merely purchase. It's called CAPITALISM and it works.
Calladen Nimitz
Caladan no offense but "No Flipping way jose".
Anybody who approached me with a TECH 5 item would be on the Coldfront IRC channel to the Polaris/Devs within seconds, not on the way to a fat wallet and a vow of silence.
But not TTi, no, they give the guy X million and a ship, use the item and then post spurious bloody RP hinting a dev gave it them along with blueprints.
Ftlog dont treat the rest of us as morons.. you ALL should have known it was dodgy from teh first second you heard about it. The Polaris members SHOULD have checked, they should have KNOWN!
You were greedy, used it, boasted about it and were caught out.
No way in hell should you get a refund - you should PAY a penalty in ore and hang your combined heads in shame for the whole sordid affair.
NOBODY in TTi thought they might check with polaris/gm/devs?
Yeah right.
The abscence of any such checking is the abscence of good faith.
You know it, I know, everybody knows it.
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Ends
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ends on 07/08/2003 01:09:50
HEH> prolly should have read a bit more before I made that post :P hehe. sorry
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:07:00 -
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Well we are capitalists Morkdt. We're out to make a buck.
Calladen
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:09:00 -
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yes you are capitalists, capitalism is governed by rules and if you buy stolen/dodgey goods you can go to prison for it in real life. So dont come that heap of smack...
Stav
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:11:00 -
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very sad, but I must say I fully agree with Stavros on this.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:11:00 -
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I'm pretty sure if my ship (or any other pirates) was decked out with tech5 weapons and modules I would be banned in uh.. maybe 20 minutes tops. People would cry bloody murder.
TTI gets their hands on tech5 and we're all supposed to congratulate them? They 'roleplay' getting Jovian technology and we're all supposed to give them a collective high five?
Heads should roll for people abusing power like this.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:16:00 -
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"yes you are capitalists, capitalism is governed by rules and if you buy stolen/dodgey goods you can go to prison for it in real life. So dont come that heap of smack..."
Well if you know they're stolen sure. In this case though we were told a story by someone that sounded good, a Jovian first-contact situation, if it wasn't true I wish it was, the thought of Jovians appearing and talking to people is cool.
You hate TTI and will argue with everything I say so I could care less I guess. I've posted we acted in good faith. I hope CCP releases the name of the person who sold this item to us (I won't) so you can all jump all over him instead of us. HE is the one who obtained this device and if he did lie to us about it - cheated.
Your constant complaints about TTI is like someone blaming a******victim because she had on a short skirt and was enticing. We were the victims here if this person did lie to us. It's not "smack" nor anything else.
Calladen Nimitz
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Mission
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:16:00 -
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Hi.. just a note..
There must be 2 or more of these lazers....
because the screenshot i posted was not looted... it apeared in the hangar in place of a Basic Miner.
I know the person this happened to in RL.
oh.. thats unless CCP is lying or the guy that posted that log is lying :)
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:19:00 -
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dude the guy who sold them to you didnt know better. YOU should of done especially with your polaris contacts.
You know it and so does everyone else..
To deny it is to look stupid.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 07/08/2003 01:24:21
I won't be reply anymore to this thread. Its degenerated into another "hate TTI" flamewar. Personally all we want is to be left alone in game without every clown in town attacking us to "get famous" (that is a motive they've told us in a few cases).
No one can honestly expect people to seek CCP's "ok" everytime a new item appears in space. Jovians are high-tech and they have high-tech stuff. This report as given to us by the seller of this beam was right inline with what I would expect a Jovian encounter to be like. If this person lied to us we are the victim of a fraud by this person.
Our contacts with Polaris, CCP, GM's and Simon and Schuster are not part of our corporation. These parties can grant no favors ingame to TTI nor do we ask for them. As an example I'm STILL waiting on a petition to be fixed for a battleship bp copy bug (two weeks now) so its clear our "friendships" with people do not translate into game benefits. Also this miner was a "secret" among the executives in TTI until it was posted on the website for all to see. It's likely no TTI member who was Polaris even knew about it until everyone else did.
I always admired your combat skills Stavos. I guess I'm personally a little upset that you've turned this from what would've really been a neat ingame encounter with a Jovian (tell me you don't want to believe it) to a personal attack on our real life ethics. We've acted in good faith in buying an item from someone in game. We await CCP's statement.
Calladen Nimitz
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:21:00 -
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//TomB > reason was a ship that is not used by players and had this mining laser as starting equipment, ship exploded and player looted it//
no agent involved? huh.... then tell me hth that mysterious guy destroy the ship and loot the equipments......
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:23:00 -
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Edited by: Nybbas on 07/08/2003 01:27:18
Stav- Like you wouldn't have done the same if you bought a tech level 5 hybrid/laser/projectile cannon from some guy who said he just got it dont ask question... it's not like any of us know exactly whats happened unless they have posted the details in the past half hour... So just shut up and stop trolling.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:27:00 -
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i am in no way attackin you real life ethics, and I couldnt care less about TTI or whatever.
I just think the entire affair stinks basically and nothing you can say will change my opinion, or many peoples opinions, on that fact sadly..
For my part I respect your request to wait for a CCP statement on this (although I will be amazed if one is forthcoming as with the time the gms moved m0o around) and I will post no further on this.
Cya
Stav
OMG WAS I REASONABLE IN THIS POST? HOLY ****ZLE 
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 07/08/2003 01:28:39
EEK goddam double post.
And yes we do now know fully what happened, we just await what will be done about it.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:28:00 -
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No one can honestly expect people to seek CCP's "ok" everytime a new item appears in space.
They can when its TECH 5 and there aint even TECH 2 in the game.
They can when you have Polaris members onboard who can check EASILY and in SECONDS.
Its not "every item" its one clearly, unambiguously aberant. So much so you invented pages of RP around it.
This isnt about TTi - its about the VERY FEW greedy people who happen to be in TTi and were directly involved.
The fact that they have cast a pall over the integrity of the entirety of the Corporation is for them to answer to their membership, not something for you to drag into this as a decoy.
TTI didn't do "this" - some few within it did.
The "uberest" mining laser in the entire game, that you yourselves can check in your very own TTi Nexus, and nobody thought it odd?
As Kryton would say:
Slap me silly and call me Susan.
You, sir are a cad.
If you get your Apocalypse back i think i will quit the game in total, abject disgust.
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Eurydike
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:35:00 -
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Umh... well... OK... I understand you bought the thing, I can understand (somewhat) the way you handled the situation.
But from a purely "real life jurisdictional" point of view, CCP doesn't have to give you the money back, but the person you bought it from.
CCP says the item will be taken out of the game, so let's say it has been "stolen" from CCP. They notice it and get it back. So they take it from you, because you have it now. Tough luck - I would probably cry, too, admittedly, but well... you have the name of the person that sold you the miner, get the money back from him, or ask CCP (as this is a somewhat special case with all this "Shouldn't be in the game yet"-thingy) to transfer the money from his account back to your corp wallet.
If you buy stolen goods in real life, you won't be refunded at all - especially not when it's some ³bersecret governmental project that you got.
Note: This is not a flame or anything, just my point of view.
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Sarela "Eurydike" Taris
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ga'ia
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Posted - 2003.08.07 01:39:00 -
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1. They are not Jovie tech
2. They will be removed.
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PussyCat
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Posted - 2003.08.07 02:23:00 -
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I Think It's bull****. Roark that Produces bs wanted 2 buy minerals from me SO why buy minerals from me when he easly could mine all that ****. 
2003.08.03 01:48:00
*****cat I could not help but notice I have not received that shipment of around 20 mil in minerals I requested.ØØSince then, my inventory has changed (of course), so I need something differentØØ20 million Trit (at 1.4)Ø4 million Pyrite (at 5)Ø250K Isogen (at 64)ØØ
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.08.07 03:03:00 -
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hmm...
Well... all I know is that the first thing I would have done if I stumbled across a Tech 5 item is to fill out a decent petition and maybe contact a Polaris guy or GM or whatever about this thing.
I think everyone who played EvE for more than 3 days knows for a fact that Tech 5 items can¦t/shouldn¦t be available and that whenever you see one of those things something must be bloody wrong.
And about this "cool Jovian story" thing you referred to:
CCP keeps roleplaying everything. Heck they even roleplay bugs and write about them right here on the player website and you really think they wouldn¦t do anything like this if they did the first JOVIAN ENCOUNTER ingame? Come on...
I have nothing against TTI, in fact I like your corp and I have lots of respect for you guys, but this is just wrong... and to be honest I think you know exactly what I¦m talking about.
Whether you should get your money back? I think that¦s up for CCP to decide because only they have the logs and know what was really going on.
Whatever will be the outcome of this... I¦d just like to ask people to stay honest.
Actually I¦m pretty happy that this whole story came up because it would be pretty f-ed up if nobody know about it. Maybe CCP wouldn¦t even have noticed that this item is actually ingame?
I¦m also pretty exited to hear CCPs statement about this since this is a pretty serious issue. I mean... those items SHOULD NOT be in the game but they are, so what¦s the matter here and is there a possibility that even more items dropped into the game like this?
What¦s the matter CCP? I think it¦s about time you start making immediate statements about issues like these. It¦s not like we¦re dealing with something minor important here, this is a pretty big*** thing IMO.
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Neptunus
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Posted - 2003.08.07 04:09:00 -
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I belive the TTI story wholeheartedly.
Everyone knows the Jovians are out there and they are part of the BIG story. It is not that unlikely that GMs might be out distributing "godly" items to help introduce the Jovians to the game.
It's all clearly CCP's fault for allowing this item to be in the game. It's not TTI's fault for trying to acquire it. What do you think they would spend 500 million ISK on it and then fill out a bug report!?!
How many more of these things are out there? How anyone can blame TTI for this is beyond me. It seems pretty typical of Morkt, the so-called journalist.
All games have "godly" items, like I said. Why would TTI (or anyone) expect Eve to be any different? And especially with how well it fits into the role playing of the Jovian story.
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Princess Akmazara
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Posted - 2003.08.07 04:32:00 -
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Neptunus perhaps you need to give Mordkt some well deserved credit. He is merely extolling the popular opinion that capitalists like Taggart will do anything and walk all over anyone to get what they want.
The proper thing to do in this case would be to donate the beam to science. Hold it for reverse engineering then distribute them to all the needy people in Caldari space who struggle to put food on their familiesÆ tables.
It's clear the capitalists will stop at nothing to dominate the weak and underprivileged. While Taggart is wealthy and powerful they are also without scruples. I have no doubt the story the gentleman "Calladen" posted is true he seems honest in his posts but what is also clear is they have made no apologies for walking on the backs of innocents in their quest for economic dominance.
Rather then helping the needy and providing food and shelter they simply walk by and refuse to help. They are the epitome of "I don't care".
While I too wish this story was true and the Jovians were out giving "Godly" devices to a fortunate few I also believe the greater community village of our society has a moral obligation to share such astounding finds with the rest of the galaxy.
Princess Akmazara
Amarrian Empire
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chest Goddess
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Posted - 2003.08.07 04:48:00 -
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Paris
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Posted - 2003.08.07 05:07:00 -
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 I think what happened is kinda simple...
A gm friend of tti gave them the lazer as there storey indicated then realizeing they screwed up royally when making a big post about it they start backpeddling and comeing up with 20 posts about how it was rp'd, or how they just found it.
What makes it worse for everyone else to swallow i think is knowing if this happened to anyone else apart from tti they would be suspended/banned and same for the gm =/ but because tti have so many members and eve basically needs every single customer they can lay there grubby hands on this will be whitewashed over.
You all think your untouchable because your the big corp with all the polaris guys and gms on there second accnts in..
When the game goes **** up you know at least you wont have far to go to complain eh
This whole affair is a fckign joke
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.07 05:17:00 -
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also i noticed a "pod kill" in jovian space... in an unreachable system...  
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Grandorr
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Posted - 2003.08.07 05:30:00 -
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You know what would put all these rumors to rest is to actually show some people the laser. Everyone goes home happy, we dont waste our lives posting 7 pages of crap 
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Kaleb
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Posted - 2003.08.07 05:41:00 -
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This is sad. How about a full investigation and explanation CCP? FFS, how do you plan to keep customers with this sort of crap going on.
CCP obviously promotes cheating and favouring of certain people/corps in the game. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that a CCP developer gave this to a friend of his or hers in game, or that even CCP devs are in TTI with anonymous characters.
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Glamdring
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Posted - 2003.08.07 06:06:00 -
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As was posted earlier, TomB has stated that this item was looted from a destroyed ship. This item was not gained by using "contacts inside Polaris, CCP and Siminn".
In fact, the members of Polaris cannot do such things as Morkt Drak has stated. The statement "They can when you have Polaris members onboard who can check EASILY and in SECONDS." is false. Polaris volunteers, in fact, cannot check this.
Volunteers in most online games have fewer abilities than most people think. A volunteer's primary tool is their knowledge and experience, not their in game abilities.
The bottom line is that that the item was not "handed out" or given to someone as a favor or because of their contacts. TomB has made this very clear and this situation will be dealt with by CCP and the laser removed from the game.
"TomB: Reason was that a ship that is not used by players and had this mining laser as starting equipment. Ship exploded and player looted it."
"TomB: the mining lasers will sadly be removed from players holding them"
Glamdring
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