Quiet simply T3s were too OP for those sites

(you know, actually RUNNING the site instead of cherry picking).

Logical solution would be "balance the rewards in such a way that old vets feel no need to run new players' sites"

Stop right there.

It isn't reward balancing.

People just don't want to run the *risk* of losing their ships. It isn't about loot distribution, it isn't about being entitled to do X because you have Y sp. It's because people want super-shiny loot with as little risk, and as little effort as possible. Don't even try to pretend it isn't about that.

EDIT: This only applies in hi-sec.

I do love the fact that you have dudes running highsec exploration sites in T3s to rob newbies from their income. Then when their T3s get suicide ganked for their shiny mods they'll whine on the forums about how suicide gankers are destroying the game and driving new players away

why? this change makes no sense to me. I trained to fly a scanning frig...found I needed to also be able to run the sites if I wanted to make anything out of the sites I found.....so I trained to skill everything I needed for exploration to lvl V and then I trained combat to be able to fly decent cruisers...this didn't work as well as the frig due to loss of scan bonuses....so the long awaited t3 which offered scan bonus options........I trained to cruiser V and weapons and all subsystems so I could fly a decent cruiser with scan bonus comparable to my frig........
I just found a good fit that holds all my gear for scanning....analyzer, salvager, codebreaker, and launcher as well as having weapons enough to run the site so I didn't have to fly a second account and tag along another toon while dual boxing and all that..........
I finially get there and you block my access to every known site in h-sec.

I am a 3+ year pilot with no ability to PVP and I enjoy solo exploration.

I found a game I could play and have fun and I have tried damn near every aspect of the game.

This move to eliminate the t3 from the only available sites in h-sec SUCKS MY ASS.

I have never been so pissed.

I am forced into l-sec. and ALL my training is out the window.

It's also about the intensity of the gaming experience. From my perspective the best thing about highsec PvE is that you don't have to remain alert and tense all the time. No cat and mouse games with locals or roaming gangs, no directional scanner spamming, running gate camps and no scouting and traveling by your personal safespot network. You can actually enjoy the game casually for once doing an activity you like in exchage for a reduced reward level. Increased income is nice, but it's just one thing among many, that decide where and how people spend their time in the game.

The Gnosis most of us received (at least one), fit for exploration and sites is an excellent ship for 4/10.
Perfect for these sites along with probing and hacking.

T3 was total overkill on 3/10 and 4/10.

It's also about the intensity of the gaming experience. From my perspective the best thing about highsec PvE is that you don't have to remain alert and tense all the time. No cat and mouse games with locals or roaming gangs, no directional scanner spamming, running gate camps and no scouting and traveling by your personal safespot network. You can actually enjoy the game casually for once doing an activity you like in exchage for a reduced reward level. Increased income is nice, but it's just one thing among many, that decide where and how people spend their time in the game.

Never mind this is supposed to be a 'sandbox". There are a lot of us in the same boat. just get a nice worm and live with that. gone are the days when CCP gives content for experienced players. They takin all our toys and giving them to the noobs or low sec.

You're absolutely allowed to play the game in the way in which you want to. Hi-sec still exists, and it will continue to exist. But you shouldn't be making "good" ISK when you have a ship that simply tears apart anything you throw it at. It's not healthy for the game.

Hell, with Tags4Sec and the new explo, I feel low-sec should STILL be buffed, but that's just because I'm biased.

actually the eula does prevent you from getting a T3 into a 3/4/10 since the only way you'd have one in there is if you're exploiting

Are you kidding?

You're kidding right?


Tell me more about Faction fitted Machariels/Vindicators/Nightmares/Rattlesnakes Gilas Navy ships and other pimp stuff that should be banned from high sec too.

From your point of view players in high sec should fly with T1 frigates and cruisers only? -because that's what you're implying since T3's are not what you're talking about or at least you've never flown a 3K+DPS Machariel/Vindicator able to clean entire sanctums in less than 20min, leave it alone lvl4's.

You're finding problems where there aren't any, it's players actions and the content they crate for themselves. Someone tells you to do it in a T3? -I don't think so, I don't think neither it's in the EULA, don't like it? don't use it
Make your own content, build your own gaming tools, this is the finest freedom you have available in Eve, you shape yourself your gaming world.
Hell go run lvl4's in a retriever or a T2 frigate if you like, the problems you might find is not tools available but players horrible thinking.

Edit because it's worth: low sec doesn't need more buffs, just needs better thinking players over there.

No one's stopping people from running 3 and 4/10 DED's with Gila's or other blingy ships. CCP agrees with my sentiment that there was a problem because they nerfed specifically T3's in those DED's. Bringing strategic cruisers into lowbie sites isn't this genius idea that only idiots don't do, it's what everyone did, and thus, warranted the nerf.

Level 4's shouldn't even be in this discussion because they can't be solo'd in a Caracal, unlike 3/4 DED's.

EDIT: Spelling

I understand you point of view, thing is that by that logic CCP are not being logic, what about ban from lvl4's Marauders/Navy ships/Pirate ships?

By that logic then why not ban T2 links/OGB and T2 mining ships from high sec?-those have a well known huge impact

By that logic again why not ban from high sec POSs?-those clearly have a huge impact

I understand you point of view, thing is that by that logic CCP are not being logic, what about ban from lvl4's Marauders/Navy ships/Pirate ships?

By that logic then why not ban T2 links/OGB and T2 mining ships from high sec?-those have a well known huge impact

By that logic again why not ban from high sec POSs?-those clearly have a huge impact

It's exactly the same problems but a lot bigger and having a greater impact than T3's running 3/4 anoms, instead of fixing anom difficulty or the mechanic it's easier and faster to script ban an item, and this is silly.

why? this change makes no sense to me. I trained to fly a scanning frig...found I needed to also be able to run the sites if I wanted to make anything out of the sites I found.....so I trained to skill everything I needed for exploration to lvl V and then I trained combat to be able to fly decent cruisers...this didn't work as well as the frig due to loss of scan bonuses....so the long awaited t3 which offered scan bonus options........I trained to cruiser V and weapons and all subsystems so I could fly a decent cruiser with scan bonus comparable to my frig........
I just found a good fit that holds all my gear for scanning....analyzer, salvager, codebreaker, and launcher as well as having weapons enough to run the site so I didn't have to fly a second account and tag along another toon while dual boxing and all that..........
I finially get there and you block my access to every known site in h-sec.

I am a 3+ year pilot with no ability to PVP and I enjoy solo exploration.

I found a game I could play and have fun and I have tried damn near every aspect of the game.

This move to eliminate the t3 from the only available sites in h-sec SUCKS MY ASS.

I have never been so pissed.

I am forced into l-sec. and ALL my training is out the window.

I understand what you mean, but cherry picking is refered to as using DPS to only scan possible DED4's.

Exploration in high sec is all about competition. It *IS* part of exploration. If someone enters "your" site (since it's in no way your site) and you are in high sec you lose the loot, in low sec you die.

This also makes the Gnosis a bad choice imo, as it's slow as ****.