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Copper Rei
Copper Corp
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:58:00 -
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why? this change makes no sense to me. I trained to fly a scanning frig...found I needed to also be able to run the sites if I wanted to make anything out of the sites I found.....so I trained to skill everything I needed for exploration to lvl V and then I trained combat to be able to fly decent cruisers...this didn't work as well as the frig due to loss of scan bonuses....so the long awaited t3 which offered scan bonus options........I trained to cruiser V and weapons and all subsystems so I could fly a decent cruiser with scan bonus comparable to my frig........
I just found a good fit that holds all my gear for scanning....analyzer, salvager, codebreaker, and launcher as well as having weapons enough to run the site so I didn't have to fly a second account and tag along another toon while dual boxing and all that..........
I finially get there and you block my access to every known site in h-sec.
I am a 3+ year pilot with no ability to PVP and I enjoy solo exploration.
I found a game I could play and have fun and I have tried damn near every aspect of the game.
This move to eliminate the t3 from the only available sites in h-sec SUCKS MY ASS.
I have never been so pissed.
I am forced into l-sec. and ALL my training is out the window.
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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2353
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:59:00 -
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Quiet simply T3s were too OP for those sites
The Drake is a Lie |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1552
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Posted - 2013.06.04 23:59:00 -
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They felt that 3/10 and 4/10s where for newbies and not for vets. Get use to it, it seems to be their new direction.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Haulin Gneiss
sweet riders
104
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:09:00 -
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Copper Rei wrote:why? this change makes no sense to me. I trained to fly a scanning frig...found I needed to also be able to run the sites if I wanted to make anything out of the sites I found.....so I trained to skill everything I needed for exploration to lvl V and then I trained combat to be able to fly decent cruisers...this didn't work as well as the frig due to loss of scan bonuses....so the long awaited t3 which offered scan bonus options........I trained to cruiser V and weapons and all subsystems so I could fly a decent cruiser with scan bonus comparable to my frig........
I just found a good fit that holds all my gear for scanning....analyzer, salvager, codebreaker, and launcher as well as having weapons enough to run the site so I didn't have to fly a second account and tag along another toon while dual boxing and all that..........
I finially get there and you block my access to every known site in h-sec.
I am a 3+ year pilot with no ability to PVP and I enjoy solo exploration.
I found a game I could play and have fun and I have tried damn near every aspect of the game.
This move to eliminate the t3 from the only available sites in h-sec SUCKS MY ASS.
I have never been so pissed.
I am forced into l-sec. and ALL my training is out the window.
Never mind this is supposed to be a 'sandbox". There are a lot of us in the same boat. just get a nice worm and live with that. gone are the days when CCP gives content for experienced players. They takin all our toys and giving them to the noobs or low sec. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
7870
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:14:00 -
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I agree. It's no longer a player driven universe.
DMC |
Capt Tenguru10
Nintendo Power
Against ALL Authorities
317
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:20:00 -
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Check my sig for confirmation
http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif |
kilteroff
Co-operative Resource Extraction
0
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:21:00 -
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Yeesh... I missed this in the blogs apparently, I'm a semi-sad panda now. I'd planned on doing all my work in null anyway but..... good to know I guess. :T |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1147
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:23:00 -
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Haulin Gneiss wrote:They takin all our toys and giving them to the noobs or low sec.
This can only be a good thing. Death to high-sec.
CCP has no sense of humour. |
Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2353
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:23:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I agree. It's no longer a player driven universe.
DMC
Of course it's not when the thing we're discussing here is PVE
PVE has never been player driven last I checked.
The only close exception being live events such as the sansha raids....but those were hosted by CCP soooo.....
The Drake is a Lie |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
613
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Posted - 2013.06.05 00:37:00 -
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The perfect irony is with the changes to exploration I no longer need a salvager on my Tengu exploration ship and can fit another missle launcher. Would have loved that for running 4/10's. :)
Time to put the T3 on the shelf for hi sec exploration. Gives me more flexibility for what I put in my alts Orca hangar, so I have that going for me now....
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
485
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:00:00 -
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T3 were total overkill for those sites. Most T3's didn't even run them, they just followed the triggers to make the good lootsies spawn ASAP and GTFO. I never understood why anyone capable of flying a T3 would stick around in hisec to run these sites anyway. Take your run-of-the-mill MMO and imagine a max-level character grinding mobs in the tutorial area in hopes for a rare spawn. That is what you have been doing, that is what has been taken away from you. And you cry like this? HTFU... |
voetius
L V B Industries
STELLAR CONSTELLATION
40
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:11:00 -
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people will just switch to using Gila and Ishtar, I guess the only issue there is that they may need to train some skills to use them. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5132
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:35:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:T3 were total overkill for those sites. Most T3's didn't even run them, they just followed the triggers to make the good lootsies spawn ASAP and GTFO. I never understood why anyone capable of flying a T3 would stick around in hisec to run these sites anyway. Take your run-of-the-mill MMO and imagine a max-level character grinding mobs in the tutorial area in hopes for a rare spawn. That is what you have been doing, that is what has been taken away from you. And you cry like this? HTFU...
You can still do all that with the ships the sites allow. Nothing has changed in that regard. |
Lexmana
964
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:37:00 -
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try to leave highsec and there is still plenty of content for your T3. |
Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
185
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:38:00 -
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voetius wrote:
people will just switch to using Gila and Ishtar, I guess the only issue there is that they may need to train some skills to use them.
If you can fly a Tengu you can fly a Gila, same with Proteus and Ishtar. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5132
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:42:00 -
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Durzel wrote:voetius wrote:
people will just switch to using Gila and Ishtar, I guess the only issue there is that they may need to train some skills to use them.
If you can fly a Tengu you can fly a Gila, same with Proteus and Ishtar.
Cerberus propably makes for a nice alternative for tengu users too, since it's another missile spewing ship with an extra utility high. |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
347
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:44:00 -
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You are not forced to do anything but to adapt. |
Julius Priscus
114
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:45:00 -
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do what we used to do before there was t3 ships..
use hacs ,
if ya don't like it... gimmie ya stuff, and transfer ya character/s to one of my accounts.
-»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2013.06.05 09:54:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:T3 were total overkill for those sites. Most T3's didn't even run them, they just followed the triggers to make the good lootsies spawn ASAP and GTFO. I never understood why anyone capable of flying a T3 would stick around in hisec to run these sites anyway. Take your run-of-the-mill MMO and imagine a max-level character grinding mobs in the tutorial area in hopes for a rare spawn. That is what you have been doing, that is what has been taken away from you. And you cry like this? HTFU...
Well one of my toons with but a Moa, stumbled on a rare 3/10 spawn. Flew away with a low-slave implant worth more than the ship with everything in it.
But a T3 for that is an overkill. A Moa without even really good skills can take a rare 3/10 spawn out and the associated waves.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
~George Orwell
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FlamesOfHeaven
Phantom Fenix
37
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:04:00 -
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Player driven event for PVE... lol |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
Pax Romana Alliance
240
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:29:00 -
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Copper Rei wrote:I am a 3+ year pilot with no ability to PVP
How can you avoid a huge part of the game for so long? 
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |
Jonas Staal
Silver Octopus
Infernal Octopus
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:39:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:T3 were total overkill for those sites.
Most people used T3's simply because of the scanning bonus on a combat ship.
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Most T3's didn't even run them, they just followed the triggers to make the good lootsies spawn ASAP and GTFO.
Does that mean "blitzing" missions is not really running missions either?
Anyway removing T3's won't stop blitzing sites.
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:I never understood why anyone capable of flying a T3 would stick around in hisec to run these sites anyway.
Because they are PROFITABLE. The CAPS probably didn't even show how profitable they are. In which point we get to the OP part.
The drops of ded3/4's are OP.
On a side note, I don't understand the "Don't run these sites, they're meant for newer players".
Logical solution would be "balance the rewards in such a way that old vets feel no need to run new players' sites"
PS: I believe newer players are getting the short end of the stick, since vets will run sites as fast in HACs as they did in T3's.
Yet, new players will lose the "easy accessable T3's to run sites quickly themselves", and HACs are (much?) more skill intensive. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
1161
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Posted - 2013.06.05 10:40:00 -
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The Gnosis most of us received (at least one), fit for exploration and sites is an excellent ship for 3/10 and 4/10.
Perfect for these sites along with probing and hacking.
T3 was total overkill on 3/10 and 4/10.
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
New Eden Asteroid Preservation Society
2994
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:23:00 -
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There have been ship restrictions on gates since I started playing three years ago. CCP simply modified them. Don't act like this is "the end of the sandbox."
Personally, I think they should have left 4/10s open to T3s, as they are the top end of of highsec exploration. Lowering the number of accessible sites and funneling all the pro explorers into a smaller number of sites would have created the pressure to push some of them into lowsec anyway.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions
Headshot Gaming
165
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Posted - 2013.06.05 11:32:00 -
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Oh yes the glorious tears  I never ran them anyway, i just used a tengu to steal other people's loot by shooting the faction before they could 
DeMichael Crimson wrote:I agree. It's no longer a player driven universe.
DMC
Its a bit difficult to hold true to a player driven universe when there is a ship in the game that is a swiss army knife and pretty much can do anything better then other ships. |
Signal11th
The Retirement Club
980
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:06:00 -
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Copper Rei wrote:why? this change makes no sense to me. I trained to fly a scanning frig...found I needed to also be able to run the sites if I wanted to make anything out of the sites I found.....so I trained to skill everything I needed for exploration to lvl V and then I trained combat to be able to fly decent cruisers...this didn't work as well as the frig due to loss of scan bonuses....so the long awaited t3 which offered scan bonus options........I trained to cruiser V and weapons and all subsystems so I could fly a decent cruiser with scan bonus comparable to my frig........
I just found a good fit that holds all my gear for scanning....analyzer, salvager, codebreaker, and launcher as well as having weapons enough to run the site so I didn't have to fly a second account and tag along another toon while dual boxing and all that..........
I finially get there and you block my access to every known site in h-sec.
I am a 3+ year pilot with no ability to PVP and I enjoy solo exploration.
I found a game I could play and have fun and I have tried damn near every aspect of the game.
This move to eliminate the t3 from the only available sites in h-sec SUCKS MY ASS.
I have never been so pissed.
I am forced into l-sec. and ALL my training is out the window.
This has been CCP's mantra from the beginning find something you like doing on your own and burn it to the ground or force you to do it in a group. You will get used to it eventually.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Ylariana
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:47:00 -
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The people who blitzed these sites in T3s are already just moving to other ships. I've already had Ishtar cruisers sweep on by me while I clear my way to the end of a site (you know, actually RUNNING the site instead of cherry picking). They force extra spawns on some gates, warp on through leaving me to deal with the extra rats, blow up the pinata, loot the cherry then swan off to do the same elsewhere.
Blocking T3s just moved them into other ships.
Removing the cherry from the site would hurt everyone be they Vet or Newbie, as this would simply make the site not worth the hassle to run for most people since the bounties and scrap loot take so much longer to gather.
I run the sites in smaller ships because I enjoy the challenge of trying to complete them in the smallest ship possible while still being semi efficient. I find I learn more about flying a ship if i'm actually in danger of losing it *shrug* It would be nice if people would stop ignoring the early room trash, or even, gods forbid, leave the site if its already being run, but, hand-on-heart I know that that will never happen, and I fully expect to be flamed for even voicing the suggestion.
Its annoying to have people Cherry Pop the site, but I live with it and just try to clear it faster myself.
Trying to prevent it happening by blocking X Y or Z ship class will just end with people doing the same lowlife thing in a different ship. Its a sandbox after all, and since "If you can, you should" is how a lot of people prefer to play the game...... |
Spurty
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
874
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:48:00 -
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Even a sandbox has walls
That or "why can't I use my NYX in 3/10!!!!"
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Van Hiaasen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.05 12:49:00 -
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Copper Rei wrote:why? this change makes no sense to me.
Because T3's are far overpowered for any content you will find in high security space. You are talking about a ship that can fly cloaked, can be bubble-immune, can tank thousands of DPS and dish out hundreds, all while remaining mobile and small and fast and having all your exploration equipment. Why waste all that power and ability on crappy little high sec sites? Get out to low and null, have fun, make real isk.
Copper Rei wrote:I finially get there and you block my access to every known site in h-sec.
I am a 3+ year pilot with no ability to PVP and I enjoy solo exploration.
So go do solo exploration in low sec. I don't see the issue here. I survived well on low sec exploration from around 6 months into the game until around 3 years into the game before moving on. Its fun. Nothing is stopping you, literally nothing, from doing solo exploration.
Copper Rei wrote:I found a game I could play and have fun and I have tried damn near every aspect of the game.
Great so whats the issue again? That you cant take your high level incredibly powerful ship into pissy little easy high sec sites?
Copper Rei wrote:This move to eliminate the t3 from the only available sites in h-sec SUCKS MY ASS.
Im sure it does indeed suck your ass.
Copper Rei wrote:I am forced into l-sec. and ALL my training is out the window.
ALL your training is out the window? So now that you cant do high sec DED sites you literally cant do ANYTHING in this game? You sound like a child sweeping a game off the table and shouting 'Im not playing the whole game is RUINED!!!' because of one little thing and going to sulk somewhere. Seriously quit the game man, if this is your attitude, we would probably be better without you
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
808
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:18:00 -
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It was becoming a joke seeing 3 or 4 tengus competing in a 4/10, now the jokes on them as they sit on the gate in their 6 month old tengu pilot unable to get in. Ah tengu tears are the finest quality 
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