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Sethose Olderon
Honourable Company of Gentlemen
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:49:00 -
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After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.
Why? Two main reasons.
First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.
Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve.
So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.
For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.
Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off. "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2206
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:51:00 -
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Should you perchance change your mind, please know I would very much appreciate it if you contracted any stuff you will no longer find useful to me.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
200
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:52:00 -
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Are you really sure I can't have your stuff? At least your wallet, you won't need that... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1698
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:54:00 -
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Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread. |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1576
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:56:00 -
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So the only path in EVE is to gain SOV in null? Man, all the people not doing that sure have been playing this sandbox game wrong, thanks for showing us the error of our ways.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7911
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Posted - 2013.06.06 02:57:00 -
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For some reason I tend to think that's par for the course.
Guess it's time for the fat lady to sing now.
DMC
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Dyphorus
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
27
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:02:00 -
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Sethose Olderon wrote:When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena?
May 2003
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
189
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:06:00 -
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Sethose Olderon wrote:First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.
Which is why EvE really isn't a sandbox game.
Nullsec wouldn't influence a player in a sandbox game. Same with high or low sec.
PvE and PvP wouldn't influence each other, as you're allowed to do your own thing.
EvE is more a deus ex machinia game. Devs dictate content and how it's played. They set up the rules, and tomorrow can wipe the slate clean. They can choose to ignore the game for years. They can choose to influence the game or even certain parties (as history showed they actually did).
That much external control is not a sandbox, it's an illusion of one. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
844
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:07:00 -
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Sethose Olderon wrote:When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena?
It was called "Release Day." Or something to that effect. Just because "high sec" isn't 0.0, doesn't mean it isn't a "pvp-arena."
Also, clearly my mercenary work in high sec is simply me professing a desire to join a nullsec alliance. My secret fetish for SOV grinding is revealed! I'm Denzel Washington, and I play chess. |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
244
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:10:00 -
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Damn, I missed that memo about having to do what nullsec wants.
I must check my inbox more carefully |

Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
493
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Posted - 2013.06.06 03:22:00 -
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Sethose Olderon wrote:After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.
Why? Two main reasons.
First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.
Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve.
So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.
For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.
Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.
farewell
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |

Sethose Olderon
Honourable Company of Gentlemen
23
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:02:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread.
You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased. "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
201
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:06:00 -
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Sethose Olderon wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread. You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased.
His master will lock him in a corner somewhere for a week, then all will be well.
Now seriously, can I have your stuff? It's not like you'll need it anymore.
Anyone who doesn't give away their stuff is still leaving the door open to coming back. Doesn't show commitment if you ask me. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5446
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:06:00 -
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Sethose Olderon wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread. You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased. You mean your master? Cause after all he's the reason you're leaving the game. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:09:00 -
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You know what would be a fun game mechanic? High-sec wages war on 0.0 with the help of Concord to expand High-Sec space.
If High-Sec is losing , High-Sec space shrinks by 10%, if it's winning it expands by 25%
This would be good, I think we would stand a chance with Concord help and we can add more usable space to the game |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5140
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:10:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sethose Olderon wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread. You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased. His master will lock him in a corner somewhere for a week, then all will be well. Now seriously, can I have your stuff? It's not like you'll need it anymore. Anyone who doesn't give away their stuff is still leaving the door open to coming back. Doesn't show commitment if you ask me. This is true, but that lack of commitment is also consistent with his inability to make it in nullsec. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5446
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:12:00 -
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floating in space wrote:You know what would be a fun game mechanic? High-sec wages war on 0.0 with the help of Concord to expand High-Sec space. In other words, you suck so bad at this game that your only hope of defeating us is with the help of the most powerful NPC which is designed to be invincible and kill everything within 30 seconds. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12581
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:13:00 -
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Surfin OBGYN is here! Don't worry, sand removal has become my specialty. See? I even have this nifty sandpaper brush  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?-á http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny |

Julius Rigel
101
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:14:00 -
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Sethose Olderon wrote:After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. Took you long enough.
Sethose Olderon wrote:After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible. But you're not in an alliance...
Also, we're still going to graciously offer to store your stuff in our hangars until you change your mind and re-sub. Nothing you say past "I'm leaving" is going to prevent that. Do YOU like to undock? |

floating in space
University of Caille Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:14:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:floating in space wrote:You know what would be a fun game mechanic? High-sec wages war on 0.0 with the help of Concord to expand High-Sec space. In other words, you suck so bad at this game that your only hope of defeating us is with the help of the most powerful NPC which is designed to be invincible and kill everything within 30 seconds.
how will i recover from this reckage |

Sethose Olderon
Honourable Company of Gentlemen
24
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:21:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Sethose Olderon wrote:First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics. Which is why EvE really isn't a sandbox game. Nullsec wouldn't influence a player in a sandbox game. Same with high or low sec. PvE and PvP wouldn't influence each other, as you're allowed to do your own thing. EvE is more a deus ex machinia game. Devs dictate content and how it's played. They set up the rules, and tomorrow can wipe the slate clean. They can choose to ignore the game for years. They can choose to influence the game or even certain parties (as history showed they actually did). That much external control is not a sandbox, it's an illusion of one.
Agree, hence the pvp-arena, full nullsec creation comments. Pick the sandbox, or pick the themepark. CCP sits on the fence, and pisses off either end of the spectrum, because it's not the game each side wants. "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson |

Cyrus Alabel
Justified Chaos
9
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:22:00 -
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Oh man, I guess this means that my time in faction warfare is all just me being a pawn of the null blocs.
Oh wait, the only time that sort of thing happened was when people abused FW in its Farmville incarnation when they still used the old LP store system. Nowadays they don't really care.
Believe it or not, you can play EVE and not be touched by null politics or their actions 23/7. Does null have a great sway on the game? Sure, I'll give you that. But that's partly because the null alliances are more politically aligned in larger numbers than almost anyone else in the game. If you could somehow manage to get them to band together, I'd wager that you could get a considerable hisec player bloc. Problem is, not everyone in hisec cares about the metagame, and are more interested in keeping the same mining ship they've been flying for 3 years from being ganked, as opposed to anything beyond their own belt.
Besides, if CCP only cared about null, and wanted everyone to go to null, they would've fixed sov warfare a long time ago. In its current state it is objectively terrible.
You also seem to have never heard of lowsec alliances. You don't need to be seizing sov to play EVE. |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
1873
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:23:00 -
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He'll be back. The real un-sub'ers are those who quietly cancel and vanish without a word. A couple years pass, and someone says 'hey, whatever happened to so-n-so?' But they're gone, and no one knows when or why. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
5447
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:29:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Which is why EvE really isn't a sandbox game.
Nullsec wouldn't influence a player in a sandbox game. Same with high or low sec.
PvE and PvP wouldn't influence each other, as you're allowed to do your own thing. You don't seem to understand the concept of a sandbox game. -áMy (mostly boring) Youtube channel. |

Haulie Berry
909
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:32:00 -
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You did not actually articulate your problem in any way.
Also, you mentioned that you had made several attempts to build an alliance and claim sov - a strictly Nullsec activity - and then went on to complain about how Nullsec dominates the game.
It seems like you're basically saying that you're bad at the game, and it's someone else's fault. |

Haulie Berry
909
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:33:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Which is why EvE really isn't a sandbox game.
Nullsec wouldn't influence a player in a sandbox game. Same with high or low sec.
PvE and PvP wouldn't influence each other, as you're allowed to do your own thing. You don't seem to understand the concept of a sandbox game.
"Sandbox", "singleplayer", they both start with "S".  |

Sethose Olderon
Honourable Company of Gentlemen
25
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:47:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:You did not actually articulate your problem in any way.
Also, you mentioned that you had made several attempts to build an alliance and claim sov - a strictly Nullsec activity - and then went on to complain about how Nullsec dominates the game.
It seems like you're basically saying that you're bad at the game, and it's someone else's fault.
There is a difference between overcoming adversity, and banging your head against the wall because you can't walk though it.
Your statement is an over simplification.
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:floating in space wrote:You know what would be a fun game mechanic? High-sec wages war on 0.0 with the help of Concord to expand High-Sec space. In other words, you suck so bad at this game that your only hope of defeating us is with the help of the most powerful NPC which is designed to be invincible and kill everything within 30 seconds.
PvE can be really mean stuff. When guards can one shot faster than a PvPer can click a button, more so.
It's only because CCP gimps gate guards and CONCORD PvP even exists -- it can be m-u-c-h worse. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Haulie Berry
909
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:51:00 -
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Sethose Olderon wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:You did not actually articulate your problem in any way.
Also, you mentioned that you had made several attempts to build an alliance and claim sov - a strictly Nullsec activity - and then went on to complain about how Nullsec dominates the game.
It seems like you're basically saying that you're bad at the game, and it's someone else's fault. There is a difference between overcoming adversity, and banging your head against the wall because you can't walk though it. Your statement is an over simplification.
I can't possibly be oversimplifying anything because, again, you didn't actually articulate any problem. You just whined in a quasi-intelligible fashion, leaving the reader to fill in the blanks.
What we can deduce from your post:
1. You tried.
2. You failed.
3. You blame parties other than yourself for failing.
That's actually all of the actual content of your post. The rest is infantile, aimless whinging. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
201
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Posted - 2013.06.06 05:53:00 -
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Sethose Olderon wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:You did not actually articulate your problem in any way.
Also, you mentioned that you had made several attempts to build an alliance and claim sov - a strictly Nullsec activity - and then went on to complain about how Nullsec dominates the game.
It seems like you're basically saying that you're bad at the game, and it's someone else's fault. There is a difference between overcoming adversity, and banging your head against the wall because you can't walk though it. Your statement is an over simplification.
Exactly, and when you've reached the point where you are only causing yourself more stress, the only recourse you have to is to quit, and burn your bridges behind you.
You'd be a lot less inclined to come back, if you gave away all your stuff... Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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