When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena?

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena?

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.

Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread.

You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased.

You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased.

His master will lock him in a corner somewhere for a week, then all will be well.

Now seriously, can I have your stuff? It's not like you'll need it anymore.

Anyone who doesn't give away their stuff is still leaving the door open to coming back. Doesn't show commitment if you ask me.

You know what would be a fun game mechanic? High-sec wages war on 0.0 with the help of Concord to expand High-Sec space.

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion.

After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

In other words, you suck so bad at this game that your only hope of defeating us is with the help of the most powerful NPC which is designed to be invincible and kill everything within 30 seconds.

Which is why EvE really isn't a sandbox game.

Nullsec wouldn't influence a player in a sandbox game. Same with high or low sec.

PvE and PvP wouldn't influence each other, as you're allowed to do your own thing.

EvE is more a deus ex machinia game. Devs dictate content and how it's played. They set up the rules, and tomorrow can wipe the slate clean. They can choose to ignore the game for years. They can choose to influence the game or even certain parties (as history showed they actually did).

That much external control is not a sandbox, it's an illusion of one.

Which is why EvE really isn't a sandbox game.

Nullsec wouldn't influence a player in a sandbox game. Same with high or low sec.

PvE and PvP wouldn't influence each other, as you're allowed to do your own thing.

You don't seem to understand the concept of a sandbox game.

You did not actually articulate your problem in any way.

Also, you mentioned that you had made several attempts to build an alliance and claim sov - a strictly Nullsec activity - and then went on to complain about how Nullsec dominates the game.

It seems like you're basically saying that you're bad at the game, and it's someone else's fault.

In other words, you suck so bad at this game that your only hope of defeating us is with the help of the most powerful NPC which is designed to be invincible and kill everything within 30 seconds.

There is a difference between overcoming adversity, and banging your head against the wall because you can't walk though it.

Your statement is an over simplification.

There is a difference between overcoming adversity, and banging your head against the wall because you can't walk though it.

Your statement is an over simplification.

Agree, hence the pvp-arena, full nullsec creation comments. Pick the sandbox, or pick the themepark. CCP sits on the fence, and pisses off either end of the spectrum, because it's not the game each side wants.

. After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Null-sec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with null-sec. All the members of the CSM are null-sec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards null-sec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance.

Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

I admit I pay rent to (nullsec block) to live in a wormhole.

Every month they take more and more.

/sniffle

Eve is not dominated by null. If that would be truth, then we would not see constant btching from null-bears about "hisec needs to be nerfed" and vice versa..

I love the smell of tears in the morning. So many clueless themeparkers posting in this thread, they don't understand what a sandbox mmo-rpg is.

Condemnation before investigation, is the highest form of ignorance
~ Albert Einstein

You know what would be a fun game mechanic? High-sec wages war on 0.0 with the help of Concord

This would be good, I think we would stand a chance with Concord help and we can add more usable space to the game

Power is not seized. It is gained via alliances and friends.

What was the last straw again? I didn't get it. It does seem to me though that you failed on your quest of taking over nullsec but maybe there are other more realistic goals that you can set?

Right back at you, since you are clueless about sandbox mmo-rpg games.

Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again.
~ James Cook

I have a hard time seen what the purpose of making a null-sec alliance without any connection to the rest of null would be, a big part of null is fighting over territory and just fighting in general. If you just want to do you own thing and have your own place, low-sec, npc null or wormholes are probably more suited.

Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

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He'll be back.
The real un-sub'ers are those who quietly cancel and vanish without a word. A couple years pass, and someone says 'hey, whatever happened to so-n-so?' But they're gone, and no one knows when or why.

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.

But that's not a sandbox. That's a theme.

Eve is not unlimited freedom, the sandbox has it's limits. There are technical limitations, some limitations comes from the game design and there are limitations that comes from having to share the sandbox with other players.

Think about what you are trying to do, you want to go to the most competitive area in eve, take territory from other players, and you are upset about they are not going to make it easy for you. You decide you want to do it on your own, without any help, they decide to count on the help of friends and allies.

The sandbox has limits that are beyond player control.

Which is why EvE is NOT a true sandbox game.

The sandbox has limits that are beyond player control.

Which is why EvE is NOT a true sandbox game. Players are set in how much they can do, when they can do it, how they can do it and where they can do it. No different that the limits placed on players in other, yes, themepark games.

If I wanted to bomb the 18 or ships outside the Caldari Naval station in Jita, in a true sandbox game I could. In EvE I can't because the very PvPers I'd be bombing will cry and whine about "unfairness". They'll cry and moan about lost assets. Their CSM buddies will come in and proclaim it's a travesty costing billions of ISK.

EvE is a conditional sandbox game. Not a true sandbox game where the player is king.

The sandbox has limits that are beyond player control.

Which is why EvE is NOT a true sandbox game. Players are set in how much they can do, when they can do it, how they can do it and where they can do it. No different that the limits placed on players in other, yes, themepark games.

If I wanted to bomb the 18 or ships outside the Caldari Naval station in Jita, in a true sandbox game I could. In EvE I can't because the very PvPers I'd be bombing will cry and whine about "unfairness". They'll cry and moan about lost assets. Their CSM buddies will come in and proclaim it's a travesty costing billions of ISK.

EvE is a conditional sandbox game. Not a true sandbox game where the player is king.

His master will lock him in a corner somewhere for a week, then all will be well.

Now seriously, can I have your stuff? It's not like you'll need it anymore.

Anyone who doesn't give away their stuff is still leaving the door open to coming back. Doesn't show commitment if you ask me.

So how do we manage to "bomb" the hundreds of fools often in ships with billions in cargo?

Did you bomb the hundreds of ships that pass thru that naval station in Jita?

Or in the conditional zone called null?

Oh man you really have no idea what's been going on for the last 18 months...

Oh man you really have no idea ...

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.

Probably because I haven't played in years?

But the last time I checked, bombing isn't allowed in Jita...

Probably because I haven't played in years?

But the last time I checked, bombing isn't allowed in Jita...

"Sandbox" doesn't mean there are no rules or limitations. Sandboxes have walls and they're governed by laws of physics.

Stealth "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread.

It sounds to me like you want less "sandbox" and more "god mode". No 50-200 man group should be able to thoroughly topple a 5000+ man alliance and take their space, unless the larger group allows them to do so (or some crafty metagame **** is pulled off). I don't care what your ego says should be possible, that just wouldn't make sense if it could be done.

After his platoon suffered heavy casualties and 3 other noncommissioned officers had become casualties, Cpl. York assumed command. Fearlessly leading 7 men, he charged with great daring a machine gun nest which was pouring deadly and incessant fire upon his platoon. In this heroic feat the machine gun nest was taken, together with 4 officers and 128 men and several guns.

Reality is stranger than fiction.

Meet...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_York



Oh, it should be able to happen in actual combat, with mechanics to allow it.

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.
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Oh, it should be able to happen in actual combat, with mechanics to allow it.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.

StealthBlatantly Obvious "The fourteen guys I got together couldn't take sov" thread.

May 2003

"Sandbox" doesn't mean there are no rules or limitations. Sandboxes have walls and they're governed by laws of physics. Someone's activities in the sandbox can be augmented or hampered by someone else's. We can build a really big sandcastle together. I can **** on your sandcastle. We can't make our sandcastles levitate, though, nor can you build a nuclear bomb out of sand.

Laws of physics in a universe where planets don't orbit and ships stop by simply turning off their propulsion...

Hello, I am from the nullsec.

I am here to confirm your statements, the nullsec does control all your game. If you have any complaints about your game experience, please submit them to the correct party and we will do all we can to help you improve said experience.

Have a good day.

Took you long enough.

But you're not in an alliance...

Also, we're still going to graciously offer to store your stuff in our hangars until you change your mind and re-sub. Nothing you say past "I'm leaving" is going to prevent that.

Reality is stranger than fiction.

Meet...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_York



Oh, it should be able to happen in actual combat, with mechanics to allow it.

Hello, I am from the nullsec.

I am here to confirm your statements, the nullsec does control all your game. If you have any complaints about your game experience, please submit them to the correct party and we will do all we can to help you improve said experience.

Have a good day.

Laws of physics in a universe where planets don't orbit and ships stop by simply turning off their propulsion...

Posting because I'd hate to leave everyone with the impression that condescending ass-hattery is acceptable to all readers. To the OP, you have the patience of a saint to put up with personal attacks without calling them all jerkwads.

Posting because I'd hate to leave everyone with the impression that condescending ass-hattery is acceptable to all readers. To the OP, you have the patience of a saint to put up with personal attacks without calling them all jerkwads.

Up until about 2 years ago EVE was going whatever path it wanted to basically.

Only in the last year have they started to address power creep and also stop breathing down everyone's neck who isn't in nullsec.

Its going to take a good amount of time to get everything in the shape it should be, (assuming they don't have another brainfart Incarna episode) so hunker in, plex your accounts and train up skills while putting your faith in Fozzie and Rise.

Blocs have been a staple of nullsec politics since the first BOB war. This was in late 2006 to early 2007 and onwards. If you argue this you were not here back then, it's that simple.

Edit: Anyone remember the R64 bottleneck and T2 BPO lottery? EVE, like every sandbox has walls.

Only in the last year have they started to address power creep and also stop breathing down everyone's neck who isn't in nullsec.

About time.

Because a MMO that's only about pewpewpew, misses a very important part of it...socialization.

misses a very important part of it...socialization.

socialization.

People say EVE isnt really a sandbox game is due mostly to the fact that it is a sandbox game. Its the players hording all the nullsec areas that make it seem like you cant do what you want. Technically you CAN, but you need to play by their rules or find a clever way to work around it.

When I first started, I had one goal. Fly the biggest most badass ships available. Then I found that titans and super carriers needed an alliance to build it for you.
So I had a second goal. Make a name for myself in industry and set up my own moon mineing operation. Same problem, only alliances can really do that effectivly, Yes it is POSSIBLE for one man in an alt corp to do it but the big boys usually wont let them.

As much as I would love to be a lone wolf in a interactive world, nearlly every MMO out there seems to frown on that. Minecraft is really the only game where you can play online with people and still do everything alone if you wish. But its not in space :(.

I stick with it, I always do, but one day, Im sure there will come an mmo, one where you can perform EVERY aspect of the game alone, but still have others to play with and show off too if you wish.

About time.

Because a MMO that's only about pewpewpew, misses a very important part of it...socialization.

Do you really think your silly outburst is going to make CCP change EVE just for you?

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.

I has goggles

OP didn't understand EVE and approach it on its own terms.

Instead he had an "idea" of EVE and demanded that it change to conform to his desires.

Good riddance.

Its not a sandbox game in null. The mechanics have been changed in null so that thers really only one way to play there and thats huge power bloc blob warrfare. Take away those mechanics that force players to play to that one style and you have sandbox again. Things like ease of power projection, cheap supercap n cap travel its a cancer to other groups trying to make a start in a remote part of null - because there is no remote section when within a short space of time a power bloc half way across the map can open a cyno drop a huge fleet in with almost no effort or risk and be back in save systems in no time at all.

But that's not a sandbox. That's a theme.

Want A = do A

Want B = do B

But...

A can't do B because A is only supported to do A.

In a true sandbox, A can do B as there's no EXTERNAL conditions.

The external conditions in EvE are:

1. Dev hard limits.
2. Capital.
3. Assets.
4. Players.
5. Unintended/Intended schemes/exploits/scams (like the T3 stranglehold, which began as an exploit, which went unfixed).

The pie in the sky ideas of "Go west, young man!" in the idea he could accomplish things by sheer work, doesn't jive with those external conditions. He has to not only build his empire, he has to rely on the sovereign to even allow it to happen.

Snarky comments about singleplayer point to the fact the only sovereign in it is in fact the player, who could build his empire and doesn't have to wait for the sovereign to get their head out of their rear to fix a problem to actually have an empire.

Sandbox in EvE is conditional, there's built in limits, and some a player can't even control.

OP didn't understand EVE and approach it on its own terms.

Instead he had an "idea" of EVE and demanded that it change to conform to his desires.

Good riddance.

OP didn't understand EVE and approach it on its own terms.

Instead he had an "idea" of EVE and demanded that it change to conform to his desires.

Good riddance.

To those who suggested it, I have tried Wormhole space on several occasions, once for several months. I didn't find it appealing. Wormhole space is viable, but it's a secondary option when the primary goal cannot be achieved, which is a compromise. I'm tired of compromising in this game, and no it's not a whine. The definition of insanity is repeating the same results, but expecting different results. However, that is exactly what CCP expects and forces you to do. And, in the process, pvp is prolific, which is their main focus regardless.

Also, my intention in building an alliance and claiming sovereignty was a means to an end, not the end result. I believe in democracy, wherein I wanted to create a democratic refuge for all those who felt likewise hatred for personality cults and deranged psychopaths. Hello Mittens...

You forgot to say "Pubbie". Your master won't be pleased.

You don't get goons at all. I'm in one of the two corporations in eve where I am literally free and encouraged to do whatever I want. Dreddit being the other.

Can't blame people associating the name to the subject. If you have to keep coming back with "you don't get goons at all" that's a PR problem with the name and reputation.

Not a Goon, or even any other kind of nullsec on this char(my main is retired/******** anyway). And I have to say, it's not a PR problem. It's a stupidity problem.

People get ace'd or scammed, and the first thing they think is "Goons did it". Market crashes? Goons did it.

They are a convenient scapegoat for all the ills of the playerbase, because more than anyone else so far, they have "won" at EVE. They can literally do whatever they feel like, and most people can't stop them. Thus, they get hated on by the helpless.

Stuff

You are selling Goons in an EVE forum so anyone who were to agree is by default "J4G" and not allowed in Goons.

That's why people find you to be tedious and fullofshit.

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.

For some reason I tend to think that's par for the course.

Guess it's time for the fat lady to sing now.



DMC

This isn't far off base to be honest, but I was actually speaking to a matter of internal policy. The entire point of Goonswarm is to allow goons to have fun in the spaceship game of eve online in whatever manner they choose and the alliance and furthermore the coalition empowers us to do so. We're literally going to war right now so we can secure enough money for me to faff around other peoples space carelessly in my Cynabal.

We aren't told to do things a certain way or it's the highway, and unlike some of the member alliances of the CFC I'm not made to toe some particular party line. If the entirety of Eve were to turn on us tomorrow and decided they had enough of our bullshit and The Mittani came on coms the next day and drew a line in the sand, absolutely zero people would care if I personally chose not to show up at that line and instead decided to spend my day podding people in Jita with a thrasher while giggling.

Compare this to other alliances who have been known to check the membership of their alliance to see who is online but not in fleet so those people could be kicked out.

Compare this to other alliances who's directorate won't let people post on the Evo forums on their mains. Or order their membership not to read the news sites when things are going bad. Yes it can get that silly in nullsec.

A lot of people note that Goons tend to work in a similar direction, post in a similar manner to forums, and generally behave in a certain way and think that's because we're doing what we're told. They fail to take into account that our organization is based off of an outside entity (The Something Awful Forums) and that for the most part our behavior is on par with one would expect from that august website. It would be the equivalent of wandering up to a biker and saying "You just dress like that because you were told to." while getting all huffy and crossing your arms across your chest without the thought ever entering that the reason he dresses like that is because he's a biker.

That's really a ****** analogy, but I just spend six hours trying to move an entire fleet of ships in my carrier and I'm a bit frazzled.

barbie lover say what?

Dear OP

The reason that you are angry is that you were not able to set up sov in Null Sec on your "own terms"? What does that mean? Are you just bad at being a CEO? Didn't have the ability or the time to invest in the game? Did you believe that running an alliance would mean that you would be isolated and/or insulated from other alliances?

EVE is a sandbox,but you are not the only one in the sandbox.

Dear OP

The reason that you are angry is that you were not able to set up sov in Null Sec on your "own terms"? What does that mean? Are you just bad at being a CEO? Didn't have the ability or the time to invest in the game? Did you believe that running an alliance would mean that you would be isolated and/or insulated from other alliances?

EVE is a sandbox,but you are not the only one in the sandbox.

It is true, the end game for Eve is that you become a battle thrall for some malevolent lord in the part of null you are nearest to. .

You've missed my meaning completely... Nice troll post though.

Because the tens of thousands of more players there are in highsec compared to 0.0 cant get the job done? They need magical NPC assistance?

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Compare this to other alliances who have been known to check the membership of their alliance to see who is online but not in fleet so those people could be kicked out.

Compare this to other alliances who's directorate won't let people post on the Evo forums on their mains. Or order their membership not to read the news sites when things are going bad. Yes it can get that silly in nullsec.

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No. I got the point. You are angry that other people are in your sandbox. You have been playing for seven years trying to make your mark on the game in a meaningful way, and you were not able to do what you wanted because of other people and the politics that come with it.

It was called "Release Day." Or something to that effect. Just because "high sec" isn't 0.0, doesn't mean it isn't a "pvp-arena."

Also, clearly my mercenary work in high sec is simply me professing a desire to join a nullsec alliance. My secret fetish for SOV grinding is revealed!

True - war decs kind of blow that one out of the water.

Which is why EvE really isn't a sandbox game.

Nullsec wouldn't influence a player in a sandbox game. Same with high or low sec.

PvE and PvP wouldn't influence each other, as you're allowed to do your own thing.

I bet if you did a study of unemployment rates of null sec people compared to normal superior high/low sec people, the null beards would be drastically higher.

OP, have you ever lived in null? Personally I find it boring, thus (I believe) all the drama. Kind of like a bunch of bored housewives. Of course, your mileage may vary.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson

That guy talked to much.

Im glad he is dead.

There are parts of nullsec that I do find boring, however the draw of Eve for me was the socio-political aspects. I'm much more interested in leadership than I am in anything else. I like to manage things, and that exists independent of location.

Power projection and territorial control should have exponential cost curves, like everything else in Eve.

Have you ever considered "claiming" a wormhole? You don't need to be part of a mega alliance to do that.

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.

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Addition: The original post has 42 likes as of now, it seems I struck a nerve. Thanks for the support, I hope for you the future will change things.

Troll is troll.

Power projection and territorial control should have exponential cost curves, like everything else in Eve.

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

My 2 cents... and I am sure it will be lost in the noise of this AWESOME thread.

Background: I have been playing EVE since 2008. Started in hisec on a different toon, currently am part of a SOV holding nullsec alliance with an indy alt in hisec.

IMHO, no one part of this game should be improved at the expense of another. I would compare this to a company that has a couple of different departments that produce different products for the consumers. As a company, I would want to promote my products equally so that I can reach a greater consumer base. Which would in turn increase profits that I can then use to expand my product line or improve current product models.

I think that is the key part that players are missing. Even if you NEVER go to Nullsec, you should still want that part of EVE to be good for those that do. Likewise, all you HARD, Nullsec killers should want Hisec to be a vibrant and quality product for those players that enjoy that type of play.

In the end, we have a BETTER game (company) with MORE content (products) that has more players (consumers).

To do otherwise is an unsound business model and will lead to disaster.

After playing Eve for almost seven years, I have come to an ultimate conclusion. I'm the type of person that wants to find my own path, and not follow under anyone else's rules (nullsec blocks). After several attempts to achieve the goal of building an Alliance and claiming sovereignty on its own terms I've realized this is impossible.

Why? Two main reasons.

First, and foremost, Eve is dominated by Nullsec. Their culture, tactics, and influence is impossible to counter or side-step. Anyone who attempts to do so is curb-stomped and eliminated. Either you play by their rules, or you can take your toys and go home --the epitome of playground politics.

Secondly, CCP is in love with nullsec. All the members of the CSM are nullsec clowns bowing to the whims of their maniacal masters. CCP's never-ending love affair with the whole damn thing leads them to screw anyone or anything who has an alternative agenda. They incessantly push everyone towards nullsec, while having no consideration for the individual or for the small corporation or alliance. Either you join a mega-alliance and become cannon-fodder or you really have no viable long-term path in Eve. Nullsec is the end-game of Eve.

So, I ask in earnest CCP, when are you going to make all of Eve nullsec. When is the patch turning Eve into a pvp-arena? Stop dicking around, and do it, or give the rest of us options. Consider the individual, the small corporation, and the small alliance. Not everyone is interested in doing the bidding of a maniacal bloated psychopath and his personality cult.

For me, it really doesn't matter, it's the last straw. Subscription Cancelled.

Cue the, "Can I have your stuff lines". No, you can't have it, f*ck off.

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Addition: The original post has 42 likes as of now, it seems I struck a nerve. Thanks for the support, I hope for you the future will change things.

I too pull random numbers out of my ass

Which is why EvE really isn't a sandbox game.

Nullsec wouldn't influence a player in a sandbox game. Same with high or low sec.

PvE and PvP wouldn't influence each other, as you're allowed to do your own thing.

EvE is more a deus ex machinia game. Devs dictate content and how it's played. They set up the rules, and tomorrow can wipe the slate clean. They can choose to ignore the game for years. They can choose to influence the game or even certain parties (as history showed they actually did).

That much external control is not a sandbox, it's an illusion of one.