However with one failed decision you've knocked 4 points off and now it sits around a 2. All the good and hard work others have done has been undone with just one decision.

we're living in a tolerant society.

Posting in another CCP DumbB!tch thread...

Know what the best thing is to do with annoying teenage attention whores?

Ignore them.

A lot of regular posters seem to have vanished off the forums recently, I wonder why.

I wish the forums were more open. They call things like this an "attack" but these are just words, and players have no power.

They just have the freedom to leave, and CCP isn't scared of that considering they ban them anyway, or develop other games or ignore them.

It seems oppressive. CCP has all the power in one of the few places players can express themselves and they delete and moderate their words.

"CCP is under attack"

right

a lot of people in positions of power seem to love this excuse

I though it was in the EULA that commenting on CCP staff was bannable?

Or did I dream it?

I was careful in my wording.
I'm certainly not being disrespectful to anyone, in fact I praise half a dozen or so CCP staff. I tell about how I've grown to respect some that previously I didn't like very much.

The post only contains praise of CCP staff, and my reservations about a decision that was made and the good work that I feel was undone by said e




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That which has been seen, cannot be unseen.

Odyssey would have been released as a successful expansion, If you had just left out the one glaring screwup.

You could have held your heads high after dealing with the DDoS downtime so well.

As the miners realised that Ice & WH mining wasn't completely stuffed and they just needed to adapt a little. It would've been generally regarded as a good release. Not great like Apoc or anything, but hardly another Incarna.

CCP Fozzie and Rise working their arses off for many months, making good changes after feedback from us about what was good and what was crap. Those 2 have done an outstanding job creating not only goodwill in the forums, but making EVE a place I want to be.

Falling in love with CCP Seagull as she powered through the clearly visible nerves and presented at fanfest like an absolute champion. Not because shes female but because shes got guts. These thing foster goodwill with me, I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I'm sure I'm not alone on this, and they make me regard EVE as my own, these things make me want to keep sending you money.

CCP Peligro, whom I had considered a bit of a turd before fanfest gained multitudes of personal respect from his presentation at fanfest. CCP Soundwave, on the couch, relaxed, you all did so well.

Yet you blew it all with just one post. Actually several posts from CCP staff, but we know who the main offender is.

It just baffles me.

Someone somewhere was thinking, 'well this is all going a bit too smoothly, the playerbase seems a little too quiet, what can I do to mess this up? boot.ini? Eh been done before. $900 jeans? So passee. How about a company wide email? Um, not quite that fearless. Wait a minute, I think I've got something!'


If you imagine Apoc - Incarna on a scale from 10 - 0, I'd probably rate Odyssey about a 6 or 7. It's better than mediocre I think. I'm probably weighting too heavily the minimal downtime, the fact that POSs didn't kill their owners and silly things like that.

However with one failed decision you've knocked 4 points off and now it sits around a 2. All the good and hard work others have done has been undone with just one decision.

I won't be continuing, I'm not getting over it, if anything I'm getting more worked up about it. I'll check in on the forums and news sites periodically to see if the problem still persists, my guess is that I will activate those PLEXs the same day the problem goes away. I have 20 days left on this set of PLEX. I'll use that time to shiptoast and pull my pixels into one location in a station far far away.


I guess the TL;DR is that I'm not comfortable contributing to one of your employees salary.

This actually pisses that guy off this much?

... RL, you heard of it?

EDIT: Judging by the toon name, I'd guess you had a bad experience.

Posting in another CCP DumbB!tch thread...

Know what the best thing is to do with annoying teenage attention whores?

Ignore them.

I've already canceled my 14 accounts. but they're prepaid for a few months still anyhow. So that's always cool.

What's sad is this flop of an expansion, if you can truly call it that isn't what prompted me to cancel. It was the absolute terrible job of the few staff members that served only to inflame those with reasonable complaints this passed weekend. Being stuck unable to play the game dor 2 days didn't bother me at all. I knew these guys were working hard to make sure it came up working regardless of whatever else.

Then the other day happens and I lose all respect for CCP as an organization and the direction they are taking with their staffing decisions. I have no power but my wallet so I'm speaking with it. And no, no one can have my stuff, half of it's already biomassed.

What direction is this game going in really? I'm not surprised people are leaving. It's probably a cumulative thing though.

What direction is this game going in really? I'm not surprised people are leaving. It's probably a cumulative thing though.

I honestly thought it was going quite well. Getting little annoyances fixed, the ship rebalancing was excellent overall despite a lot of my favourite ships getting changed in manners that didn't personally suit me.

Some of the module changes (inactive invuls for example) didn't suit me and my level 5 skills, but I could see the bigger picture and just dealt with it.

This was valid until recently, now I just don't know.

I'm also very close to being un-nerfable skill wise. 90 days to go I think.

Uh what is it that people are so angry about? I haven't noticed anything :o

LOL! Is this serious?? And from some one with the name 'Lusty Wench"??? Seriously?? I mean seriously? Smh. All good for you since it's you right?

Yes because CCP really care about a handful of drama queens who feel they are special snowflakes and therefore can tell them who they can or can not hire...

If you would prefer I can post on another character. Again this has been my internet persona for quite some time.

I don't know what Smh means.

Pretty much this. I'm not sure when people got the idea in their heads that they had any sort of say in who CCP hires. Seriously, you have no say, you will never have any say, it's none of your business, and if you think it is, you're wrong. If someone turns out to be bad at their job and is let go, that's one thing, but no one should be fired because a handful of people are mad that someone they don't like got hired.

(also, she's a dust community rep, so I'm really not sure how people here think this is not only affecting them, but heralding the end of eve, but hey, "eve is dying" that's the joke, right?)

Smh = Shaking My Head.

lol... Seriously look what you just wrote. Again, it's all good for you since it's you right?

Smh = Shaking My Head.

Pretty much this. I'm not sure when people got the idea in their heads that they had any sort of say in who CCP hires. Seriously, you have no say, you will never have any say, it's none of your business, and if you think it is, you're wrong.

If someone turns out to be bad at their job and is let go, that's one thing, but no one should be fired because a handful of people are mad that someone they don't like got hired.

(also, she's a dust community rep, so I'm really not sure how people here think this is not only affecting them, but heralding the end of eve, but hey, "eve is dying" that's the joke, right?)

The company continually totted how close it was with its community and how the players really did make the game, as we all try to give suggestions and identify bugs to help hold Eve high. We don't just come in and consume. A lot of people really try to make Eve a legitimate hobby and work to better the game and help the community (i.e. Chribba).

So when you hire a community rep that is not only unversed in the game, but dislikes it, actively, and very publically, it's expected people will be very angry. We may not have a say in who is hired, but we will speak out against it and, since CCP is 'so close' to we the community, would like an explanation as to why this person was hired given their history.


It isn't a handful of people. The entire game does not monitor the forums. You must be new here.



This is being used a lot in protection of this person. However, DUST is Eve, Eve is DUST. That was the point of DUST. It was meant to be a game that bridges the two into a single universe. They may be a DUST rep, but the person is still at CCP, making suggestions and planning actions that have a good chance of simply not resonating with the community if implemented by OUR reps. Also, DUST has a lot of Eve players, denying this is lol. Their attitudes don't change because they play a different game on top of Eve.

My god how does one person cause so much unrest? Do you really think this one person is going to have that much pull on CCP?

I admit I was a little miffed by it at first, but then my sanity kicked in. It's really not that big of a deal. We have giant idiots on the CSM, and they have far more influence on the game, but no one is up in arms about that.

Grow up.

My god how does one person cause so much unrest? Do you really think this one person is going to have that much pull on CCP?

I admit I was a little miffed by it at first, but then my sanity kicked in. It's really not that big of a deal. We have giant idiots on the CSM, and they have far more influence on the game, but no one is up in arms about that.

Grow up.

Yes, if I was her I'd phone in sick claim bulling, depression, off the record I'd just tell the boss that I'm just here for the cash, keep the cash flowing & the pension building & I won't cause any grief or sue.

Just put it to them straight. I'm a $50k per year liability just write me off as that, don't speak to me, write me or call me unless it's about my pay or pension. If you don't do this then I will get a lawyer involved which could cost you millions & even sink CCP.

Is CCP nuking threads again? What is this T2BPO deja vu?

cut my sub into pieces
this is my last toon
biomassing
no mining
dont give a **** if i cant go ratting

I guess the TL;DR is that I'm not comfortable contributing to one of your employees salary.

1. A lot of this drama would have been avoided if CCP Mintchip would have been introduced as CCP CLEANSLATE in the DUST forums. No reference to her blog or youtube videos. Later, during a fanfest or some other event, her identity could have been exposed, but only after she had the opportunity to make a name for herself as a competent CCP employee. To come out from the beginning with so much baggage, puts her in a difficult postion.

The company continually totted how close it was with its community and how the players really did make the game, as we all try to give suggestions and identify bugs to help hold Eve high. We don't just come in and consume. A lot of people really try to make Eve a legitimate hobby and work to better the game and help the community (i.e. Chribba).

So when you hire a community rep that is not only unversed in the game, but dislikes it, actively, and very publically, it's expected people will be very angry. We may not have a say in who is hired, but we will speak out against it and, since CCP is 'so close' to we the community, would like an explanation as to why this person was hired given their history.

If someone turns out to be bad at their job and is let go, that's one thing, but no one should be fired because a handful of people are mad that someone they don't like got hired.

This is being used a lot in protection of this person. However, DUST is Eve, Eve is DUST. That was the point of DUST. It was meant to be a game that bridges the two into a single universe. They may be a DUST rep, but the person is still at CCP, making suggestions and planning actions that have a good chance of simply not resonating with the community if implemented by OUR reps. Also, DUST has a lot of Eve players, denying this is lol. Their attitudes don't change because they play a different game on top of Eve.

I'll admit right out the gate I'm pretty unfamiliar with said person's history, though I have heard things, but I'm pretty ok with the fact that someone dissatisfied with eve got hired. It gives them a more rounded idea pool. I don't agree that we're owed any explanation though. We get a fair bit of say game play wise, and that's great, but I think people are seriously overstepping themselves by saying they should also be included in the HR manager's job.

When there are riots across eve, people shooting statues or something similar, I'll concede the point, but until then you're not convincing me you're the 99%.

That's fair, I suppose I don't give dust a lot of credit. Are they at the point where they're actively making in impact in eve yet? I'm genuinely asking because I haven't noticed if they have, and I don't really keep tabs on it.

It's mildly scary that CCP Mintchip is actually one of the most critical devs in respect to CCP, they literally can't even touch her or face a massive law suit for unfair dismissal, alongside a huge amount of negative press CCP's EVE will get for being an institutionalised racist & sexist place.

Mintchip you go girl, take it easy get them feet in the air & let these good times roll. You've got them by their fing balls.

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It's mildly scary that CCP Mintchip is actually one of the most critical devs in respect to CCP, they literally can't even touch her or face a massive law suit for unfair dismissal, alongside a huge amount of negative press CCP's EVE will get for being an institutionalised racist & sexist place.

Mintchip you go girl, take it easy get them feet in the air & let these good times roll. You've got them by their fing balls.

I'll admit right out the gate I'm pretty unfamiliar with said person's history, though I have heard things, but I'm pretty ok with the fact that someone dissatisfied with eve got hired. It gives them a more rounded idea pool. I don't agree that we're owed any explanation though. We get a fair bit of say game play wise, and that's great, but I think people are seriously overstepping themselves by saying they should also be included in the HR manager's job.



When there are riots across eve, people shooting statues or something similar, I'll concede the point, but until then you're not convincing me you're the 99%.



That's fair, I suppose I don't give dust a lot of credit. Are they at the point where they're actively making in impact in eve yet? I'm genuinely asking because I haven't noticed if they have, and I don't really keep tabs on it.

1. A lot of this drama would have been avoided if CCP Mintchip would have been introduced as CCP CLEANSLATE in the DUST forums. No reference to her blog or youtube videos. Later, during a fanfest or some other event, her identity could have been exposed, but only after she had the opportunity to make a name for herself as a competent CCP employee. To come out from the beginning with so much baggage, puts her in a difficult postion.

(1) So her view of Eve is not your view so what.
(2) No you are not owned anything.
(3) CCP hire and fire who they want, when they want and do not have to tell you squat.
(4) Who gave you the authority to dictate to CCP who they can and can not hire. You don't like it then the solution is very easy.. quit.
(5) Also please do not use the "I am a paying customer" line.
(6) You have no right to tell CCP who they can hire like you have no right to tell any other company that you use who they can hire.
(7) At the end of the day, the percentage of players against this hiring is minuscule. A handful of players on a forum that only a tiny percentage of subscribers use.

They didn't hire her as a random person / dev they hired her because she's Mintchip. Probably to try to attract players for DUST because of internet celebrity.

Yes because you were there...

The level of tinfoil has risen remarkably over the last 24 hours.

I also hear that she was the one who shot Kennedy, split up the Beatles and killed Kurt Cobain

They didn't hire her as a random person / dev they hired her because she's Mintchip. Probably to try to attract players for DUST because of internet celebrity.

1) She works for the company that manages Eve now.
2) Yes, we are. We're obviously so 'close' to the developers, like they preach so often. So, why not explain?
3) They do make the hiring decisions, and we make the well founded and reasoned criticisms.
4) We do not have that authority but we do have the ability to want answers, as CCP put the community on a pedestal for holding up Eve and making it what it is. No, I will not quit.
5) We are paying customers who put hours into Eve and attempt to make it better, not just consume.
6) See Answer 3. You are being repetative.
7) Look up the term latent, as I said in the previous post, and get back to me.

What did we learn here today? That reading comprehension and basic critical thinking skills are key in answering your own questions. Text walls are there for a reason, Mr. Alt.

What's I'm saying is pretty obvious. It's not on the level of Kennedy assassination at least.

Do you think that as a person she was the most qualified for the job? Out of everyone they could have hired? Really? I mean honestly? Really?

I have no idea if she was the most qualified for the job because I have no idea what her qualifications are and what the post required and was not involved in her interview.

That is the point.. nobody here has the slightest idea.
It's not even saying anything bad that they hired her for name recognition, it's just obvious.

You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince

You seem to share CCP's attitude towards customers Prince

Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.

Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.

Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.

I hear whiteknighting is all the rage nowadays...

1. Your point being what?
2. The developers preach now.. please show me were they preach.
3. No, you are not making founded and reasons criticisms at all. I have yet to see any rounded and reasonable criticisms, only a load of vile hateful rubbish.
4. You want the ability to want answers.. lol, I have never heard so much rubbish in my life. Just because CCP likes to engage its customers like any half decent company would, it does not mean that you can then want to know why they hired and fired people.
5. Like I said, just because you are paying customers it don't mean a thing when it comes to anything outside of the game Eve, and that includes hiring people.
6. I can play that game as well.. see answer 3 :)
7. It depends on the context.. are we talking about pathology, biology or psychology.

I learned that you are talking rubbish, have a personal agenda against somebody who you have never met and also.. This is my main..

Belligerent disregard and resentment, yeah.

Pretty sure you need to look up the meaning of those words

I hear that posting rubbish is all the rage as well :)

It is their past action that is the issue.

1) An employee does tasks for a company to make a product. Thus the product is altered. In this case, the product is Eve.
2) Check interviews, old posts, blog posts, etc. The very existence of the blogs, social media, and forum sections specifically to solicit crowd sourcing from the community speaks to this. They are the tenants of strong community building and branding. CCP maneuvered their brand to not only be a dynamic space sim, but a company 'in touch' with its community demonstrated by the sheer amount of interaction going on.
3) See post #52 for the criticisms. If you are not capable of reading and understanding the criticisms, then you are not credible in this argument at all and can be dismissed.
4) Why can we not want to know? Why are you using ad hominem?
5) See point 2 as to why it indeed does matter.
6) Good for you.
7) Sociological. Emergent behavioral patterns originating from a group which then spreads out to cause more action. Social media is a good example of latent action spurred on by an event.

I once again suggest you read Post #52 to understand the actual logical reasoning behind this as opposed to dismissing the claims of others as 'agenda based' or misogynistic. We don't care that she's a woman. We wouldn't care if she was a sentient lemur. It is their past action that is the issue.

I am almost certain this is what it sounds like when a hipster realizes that his cherished nitch hobby is about to go mainstream.

It only seems like a few today, because so many were slain yesterday.

There's only the decimated camp on one side of the field whose warriors are now more careful, and the frightened , on the other side of the field the white knights and fans are still at full strength.

The battlefield is strew with the corpses of the blunt, the overtly truthful, the twitter, youtube and picture linkers.

which ones? the ones where she criticized eve (far from the first ccp employee to do so)?

1. The task in question is answering questions and forum moderation for Dust.. how does that effect Eve?
2. Yet at no point would I consider any of them preaching.. like I asked before.. give me a link to something which can be classed as preaching.
3. I have read them but all I see is personal attacks and nothing which states that she can not do the job that she has been hired for. In fact she has things which would make her a good candidate such as having over 25k subs on her youtube channel which would indicate that people like her, which is good for a community rep.
4. You can not know because if has nothing to do with you. Also, I am pretty damn sure that CCP are not able to post what her qualification are because that would be classed as private data.
5. See point 2.
6. Thank you :)
7. Lol.. well you have me beat by that one. Far too clever for me :)

Her past actions have no relation to her job. So posts youtube vids, she complained about the Eve community.. who hasn't, and as for the rest I will not talk about as what she does in her personal life is up to her and nothing to do with anybody here.

I have no idea if she was the most qualified for the job because I have no idea what her qualifications are and what the post required and was not involved in her interview.

That's the point, nobody here knows.. hence why it all amounts to nothing then personal attacks as nobody has the facts apart from CCP and they are the only people who matter.

Mainstream? EVE? Get real..... .seriously.

which ones? the ones where she criticized eve (far from the first ccp employee to do so)?

Do some research and see how far the rabbit hole goes. It's not pretty.

Which is what, refusing to listen to a few mindless people who are making personal attacks against a person they have never met demanding answers to a question that they have no right to.

i did but i couldnt find anything, sorry :(

It is not personal attacking, it is critical thinking based on the evidence at hand.

Which is pretty limited, seeing as she hasn't been giving us information related to a job application. Seems that CCP, having gone through a formal hiring process, is far more likely to have the relevant information. What you're doing isn't critical thinking, it's looking at limited facts and jumping to conclusions.

Which is pretty limited, seeing as she hasn't been giving us information related to a job application. Seems that CCP, having gone through a formal hiring process, is far more likely to have the relevant information. What you're doing isn't critical thinking, it's looking at limited facts and jumping to conclusions.

They appear to have been deleted along with her Twitter posts. Someone can eve mail you links to saved copies if they are so inclined. I saw a lot floating around yesterday.

My god, this (blank). The prose, the sparkling wit, s/he's a genius! An unknown quantity! S/he'll lead our company into the 23rd century!

Again, this is not related to her qualifications or ability as a community manager. What is questioned and would beg an explanation is why she, of all people, was hired given her history and reputation with the community? I studied PR as an undergrad and one of the key things when hiring a community rep or any client/customer facing employee is to assess the persons online sentiment towards them. Customers are not idiots despite some beliefs. If they see a rep being employed, and that rep is loathed by the customers, you have problems.

The only possibility of being hired were to be if she brought some kind of financially tempting plan or skill to the table. The ROI would need to be HUGE to warrant the risk. But, THAT is jumping to a conclusion (Occam's Razor).

Having read through this thread and the deleted one, this 'loathing' isn't universal, not even amongst the subset of people that use the forums.

Fact is, most [/i ]players don't have a problem with her, it's just that the ones that do are particularly vocal. But none of the people opposing her hiring have made complaints about her lack of ability to do her job. It's all about how they [i]fear she will do, or things that she has done in the past - which are unrelated to her current job.

The bit about what she brings to the table is pretty much irrelevant - she's already been hired, the decision has been made. How it was arrived at is not really our concern.

Mintchip has promoted the game for years. If you look over the comments on her youtube channel, there are many many people that say "I tried EVE because of your videos."

She has a way of making the game interesting to people that don't know the game. Dust could use that kind of promotion.

I think that very same thing that makes her successful, annoys the hell out of the 'leet PvPers and hardcore eve types. They all think they could do better and don't understand why people tune in. And yes, maybe they could do better ... at making a video cast that they, the 'leets, would be interested in. But that doesn't justify heaping crap on someone.

She did promote Eve. This is indeed a fact. It was the end of that promoting and how it ended and how she handled herself during dramatic :grimdark: that has people questioning her.


I won't comment on her abilities as an employee as I do not know her skill set. I will let her actions speak.


I honestly didn't care much for her casts. When she quit and got upset, I also did not care. She did not affect my game anymore and people quitting was nothing new. It's just the history that has me 'wat.'

Please do not post inflammatory links, of any kind.

You sure post a lot for a guy who cares so little.

You are one to talk. You posted a wall of text to hide the fact that you were reopening the "let's slag on the CCP Mintchip" thread(s), against forum rules. Your "high horse" is the height of hypocrisy.

Pretty quiet in the forum today. Maybe even more so after the devs go through this thread.

I have to say that these ban waves provide a nice respite from the trolls and asshats for a brief while.

Mr Epeen

Except OP wasn't. They started a civil thread airing a concern without bashing. Your interpretation is irrelevant as it is not credible, considering you want to label the thread in such a way as to get it shut down.

The keyword is subset. Not all people use the forums. While the anger can't be accurately measured across the whole of Eve based on forum goers, you COULD do a random sample of a few thousand people but...that's another story and me getting researchy.

This is about her disposition towards the game and wanting to know why someone so against the :grimdark: of Eve was hired. I honestly don't care about her resume.

No, it is not irrelevant as it is a possible explanation for her hiring. The anti-questioning and pro-obedience rhetoric from people on these forums is getting absurd.

"Question nothing. You don't need to know. Sit down and play or leave. Obey."

Yeah yeah, subject line is cryptic and body doesn't get to the point until meandering for paragraphs... I know a smoke screen when I see one.

It's nothing to do with sample sizes. You've quite consistently made out that "the community" has an issue with her hiring - it doesn't, a small, vocal minority of people within it do.

Although - if I concede that the sample size is too small or we don't have enough information on what the larger playerbase thinks, it then follows that it can't be claimed that a majority, or "the community" has opposition to her hiring either.

Sure, you can want to know, but you don't have a right to demand answers. CCP may or may not choose to make a statement about it. I'd imagine it would be quite difficult to answer it in a way that might satisfy everyone without revealing personal information from the hiring process. But to be honest, it's really none of our business. As long as she doesn't have a negative impact on the game, it's not your business. It's CCP's call.

That's pretty much right. Until she does something that negatively impacts on your game, at least - then you actually have concrete grounds for opposing her being in her post. You want an explanation for her hiring? Tough, really. That's between her and CCP.

As opposed to rage thread #316 with defamatory remarks? It was a good way to keep the vitriol out and the conversation in.

As opposed to go out, smell the flowers, do work, meet people, play EVE when feeling like it and not break rules, or try to skirt around them.

As far as I can see, this thread has not skirted around any rules. It is calmly and logically bringing to question the addition of an individual.

Considering the hiring of this individual does not impact you or even the game Eve at all I fail to see why this is even your concern as to who CCP wants to be a community rep for Dust.

Because I do not lack foresight.

More like because you are an alarmist idiot.

I used the term community as a catchall phrase. I apologize if it was misleading. But additionally, the contra to the claim cannot be proven either save for the threadnaughts. But I believe if you explained who this person is and why the outrage occurred, you would see similar disapproval.

We have the right to demand what we want. You don't dictate that. When a company champions its relationship to the community, it should not shove them off and tell them to obey when the community members ASK something simple. 'Why did you hire someone who doesn't like, and bad mouths often, Eve?'

Because I do not lack foresight.

And thus begins the ad hominem. Bets on when absurdo starts?

Ok, so neither of us can claim to know what the overall playerbase opinion is. A threadnaught just means a lot of people posted. It doesn't say how many were on each side, or how representative those opinions were. What is a fact (yup, it really is one this time) is that out of the overall playerbase, a minority of people voiced disapproval on the forums.

Ok, maybe that was poorly worded on my part. Of course you have the right to demand answers. You just don't have the right to answers. CCP has the right to ignore you. You can have the opinion that this wouldn't be good business sense for them to do so, but what makes good business sense for them is something that they'll decide for themselves. Personally, I don't think that listening to customers is always a good idea - they see things from their own point of view, and that's not always the same point of view that a business needs to take.

Also, from what I've seen, saying she doesn't like and often badmouths the game seems a little misrepresentative. Maybe I'm missing the smoking gun evidence here, but the opinions I saw were pretty tame and were about a section of the playerbase rather than the game as a whole. Am I missing something? Are there pics out there of her eating Chribba's firstborn or something?

You believe you don't - how true that is remains to be seen

You are trying to couch your outrage in pseudo intellectual terms as if it gives it any modicum of validity which it does not.

In a previous post which you ignored I stated why you are in fact a butthurt idiot which you deftly ignored because it took a proverbial dildo bat to the skull of your argument.

Keep trying to act like it is an intellectual discourse that has relevance, because the fact is you are just as much of a whiny baby concerned with things that are not your business as the people in the previous threads making vulgar remarks.

In regards to her comments; she deleted them. Twitter, TY, FB, blog, all deleted. She forgot her Twitter and someone screen capped it right before she deleted it though.

Maybe I am just too intelligent to understand the common rabble but I just do not understand why so many people are so butthurt that they would threaten to leave the game because a kinda annoying 5/10 was hired as a community rep for Dust 514. I just don't see how this impacts your Eve experience at all, much less to drive you to weep and gnash your teeth on the forums about how you are pulling all eleventy billion of your accounts if they don't fire someone.

You know, someone who would then be unemployed because the assumption is they left some other job to go work for CCP. Nice that you don't care if that person ends up homeless or not or has what is perhaps a dream job for them.

I mean, I am not a fan of hers at all but this rage just baffles me. Ignore her twitter feed if it really gets you that angry and keep blowing up internet spaceships content and secure that Rise and Fozzy will be guiding the future for us.

And thus begins the ad hominem. Bets on when absurdo starts?

I don't think you understand what absurdo is...

Probably not, but I do understand "reductio ad absurdum". That was what you were meaning to refer to, yes?

Indeed.



Please see this post where it highlights why there is outrage. You should have read the thread in its entirety. Also, I did not say I was quitting, I was pointing out logical fallacies and showing that the outrage is not due to misogynistic reasons, but actual credible concerns.


Choices have consequences. If you wanted a job at the New York Times as a journalist, but bashed them as being nonfactual and tabloid journalists for years on end, you will most likely not get hired. They don't care if you're about to go on the street. No one does. That's the world we live in. No one is obligated to coddle or assist anyone, least of all businesses.


If she had got hired somewhere else, I wouldn't care. I don't follow her Twitter or...anything for that matter. Not my cup of tea. It is the fact that a rep, a face of Eve, is now someone who demonstratively dislikes Eve, its players, and the :grimdark: that makes Eve what it is.

She is a cute face that maybe will do some videos for Dust and attract the attention of undersexed boys in a manner similar to Nikasaur in League of Legends.

Lolwut?

You really think CCP won't do it? I would lay money on it.

[quote=Kumq uat][quote=Gallowmere Rorschach][quote=Kumq uat] Are you also a fan of Slavic schoolmarms?

It wasn't about that. I'll just say that your adjective shows questionable taste. Are you also a fan of Slavic schoolmarms?

Like I said, she is a 5/10. Cute, kinda average. Not hot or gorgeous or whatever.

... what a bloody nerd begotten sausage fest..

True. I sort of hope I'm wrong about the person. But I still worry about someone who doesn't like the game working for the game in any capacity. I mean look at other CCPers. They all love this game and dedicate themselves to it and make it insanely good. What happens when you throw apathy into the works though?

Like I said, hope I'm wrong.

Therein lies a lot of the problem. Those who don't get it now probably never will. Everything just looks like "he said/she said" to the newcomer on this topic, because she purged just about all of the evidence being held up against her. It's basically the equivalent of trying to prove someone guilty in court after they were allowed to ransack the evidence room and burn the contents.

I doubt she got the job by being apathetic about the game. Part of a company's hiring process is normally aimed at finding people who are enthusiastic about whatever they'll be involved in.

So, that's why GoDaddy hired Danica Patrick to represent their brand. It's her enthusiasm for their products..

/the more you know.

You think that those are equivalent roles?

Only in that both companies are exploiting "talents" other than product knowledge, or enthusiasm for the brand they are representing.

Oh, you were privy to CCP's internal decision-making? I'm intrigued - do tell more..

Yes, if I was her I'd phone in sick claim bulling, depression, off the record I'd just tell the boss that I'm just here for the cash, keep the cash flowing & the pension building & I won't cause any grief or sue.

Just put it to them straight. I'm a $50k per year liability just write me off as that, don't speak to me, write me or call me unless it's about my pay or pension. If you don't do this then I will get a lawyer involved which could cost you millions & even sink CCP.

I'm loving all the omega white knighting males in this thread. From what I've seen there is really not one piece of evidence that can back up CCP's actions on this decision, once again from what I have seen. Just because someone has a youtube channel full of videos that imo suck (I'm mean suck bad) does not make them gud enough imo. kil2 (CCP Rise) earned his position, not because of his gender (if that even matters but apparently it does in some circles) but because he contributed something tangible and productive. Everyone kissing a@@ just because needs to seriously quit and think with your big head, not the little one.

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I'm loving all the omega white knighting males in this thread. From what I've seen there is really not one piece of evidence that can back up CCP's actions on this decision, once again from what I have seen. Just because someone has a youtube channel full of videos that imo suck (I'm mean suck bad) does not make them gud enough imo. kil2 (CCP Rise) earned his position, not because of his gender (if that even matters but apparently it does in some circles) but because he contributed something tangible and productive. Everyone kissing a@@ just because needs to seriously quit and think with your big head, not the little one.

Odyssey would have been released as a successful expansion, If you had just left out the one glaring screwup.

You could have held your heads high after dealing with the DDoS downtime so well.

As the miners realised that Ice & WH mining wasn't completely stuffed and they just needed to adapt a little. It would've been generally regarded as a good release. Not great like Apoc or anything, but hardly another Incarna.

CCP Fozzie and Rise working their arses off for many months, making good changes after feedback from us about what was good and what was crap. Those 2 have done an outstanding job creating not only goodwill in the forums, but making EVE a place I want to be.

Falling in love with CCP Seagull as she powered through the clearly visible nerves and presented at fanfest like an absolute champion. Not because shes female but because shes got guts. These thing foster goodwill with me, I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I'm sure I'm not alone on this, and they make me regard EVE as my own, these things make me want to keep sending you money.

CCP Peligro, whom I had considered a bit of a turd before fanfest gained multitudes of personal respect from his presentation at fanfest. CCP Soundwave, on the couch, relaxed, you all did so well.

Yet you blew it all with just one post. Actually several posts from CCP staff, but we know who the main offender is.

It just baffles me.

Someone somewhere was thinking, 'well this is all going a bit too smoothly, the playerbase seems a little too quiet, what can I do to mess this up? boot.ini? Eh been done before. $900 jeans? So passee. How about a company wide email? Um, not quite that fearless. Wait a minute, I think I've got something!'


If you imagine Apoc - Incarna on a scale from 10 - 0, I'd probably rate Odyssey about a 6 or 7. It's better than mediocre I think. I'm probably weighting too heavily the minimal downtime, the fact that POSs didn't kill their owners and silly things like that.

However with one failed decision you've knocked 4 points off and now it sits around a 2. All the good and hard work others have done has been undone with just one decision.

I won't be continuing, I'm not getting over it, if anything I'm getting more worked up about it. I'll check in on the forums and news sites periodically to see if the problem still persists, my guess is that I will activate those PLEXs the same day the problem goes away. I have 20 days left on this set of PLEX. I'll use that time to shiptoast and pull my pixels into one location in a station far far away.


I guess the TL;DR is that I'm not comfortable contributing to one of your employees salary.



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I'm loving all the omega white knighting males in this thread. From what I've seen there is really not one piece of evidence that can back up CCP's actions on this decision, once again from what I have seen. Just because someone has a youtube channel full of videos that imo suck (I'm mean suck bad) does not make them gud enough imo. kil2 (CCP Rise) earned his position, not because of his gender (if that even matters but apparently it does in some circles) but because he contributed something tangible and productive. Everyone kissing a@@ just because needs to seriously quit and think with your big head, not the little one.

I'm assuming I haven't seen all this relevant stuff but that it was there, but I have more faith in the CCP's HR team to recruit someone appropriate than I have in the forum mobs to decide. I did see some of her opinions, they seemed quite tame. I'm sure I've come across worse on the forums.

Not that you should have more faith in the 'forum mobs' but....

spoken like a true fanboi

I doubt she got the job by being apathetic about the game. Part of a company's hiring process is normally aimed at finding people who are enthusiastic about whatever they'll be involved in. Whatever remarks she's made in the past are from before she was under any obligation to weigh up how the rest of the community will view her words - she wasn't an employee then.

I'm also not particularly worried about whether she fits the whole "grimdark" thing, either. She's a DUST community rep. Her role is to interact with and foster the DUST community. Let's be realistic, she's not about to somehow singlehandedly fill New Eden with unicorns and rainbows. Even if she wanted to, it's not happening.

I've been LustyWench on the internet since Quake 1 was the latest and greatest. There's a backstory to it, it wasn't a bad anything, but this isn't the thread for that.

April 20th-Last known post that was anti-Eve
June 4- Hired

I have a problem believing they changed their mind after months and months of bashing and were suddenly so enthusiastic about it all..

No, but as a community rep, she is to bring the concerns and grievances of her community, being the DUSTies. Since she's so pro-HKO, I can see her pushing to make DUST less harsh, less grimdark, etc.