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DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:32:00 -
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Will this affect future development on the console platform? any second thoughts with PC platform now? |
Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
223
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:35:00 -
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How can you kill which had no life? |
Litair
Donchian Stripes
26
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:48:00 -
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It's funny because I don't have a PS3, so whenever I've watched DUST vids I've ended up playing Planetside 2 afterwards because it really has the same vibe to it.. But I think there are some fairly big differences underneath the FPS sci-fi war surface though.
Oh and I do hope they'll make DUST for pc too, would be nice to try it.. and I think maybe a lot of EVE players in general has a pc, and they'd have an interest in playing it more than completely random playstation gamers. |
Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
226
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:51:00 -
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Litair wrote:It's funny because I don't have a PS3, so whenever I've watched DUST vids I've ended up playing Planetside 2 afterwards because it really has the same vibe to it.. But I think there are some fairly big differences underneath the FPS sci-fi war surface though.
What's funny is I was watching a Planetside 2 stream on The Mittani and thought that was Dust 514 at first, then I eventually realized what it was, instantly downloaded PS2 afterward. Pretty fun.
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Litair
Donchian Stripes
26
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:53:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:Litair wrote:It's funny because I don't have a PS3, so whenever I've watched DUST vids I've ended up playing Planetside 2 afterwards because it really has the same vibe to it.. But I think there are some fairly big differences underneath the FPS sci-fi war surface though. What's funny is I was watching a Planetside 2 stream on The Mittani and thought that was Dust 514 at first, then I eventually realized what it was and instantly downloaded PS2 afterward. Pretty fun.
It is pretty fun yeah.. but maybe people can play both since they're F2P ^-^ |
Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
226
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:55:00 -
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Litair wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:Litair wrote:It's funny because I don't have a PS3, so whenever I've watched DUST vids I've ended up playing Planetside 2 afterwards because it really has the same vibe to it.. But I think there are some fairly big differences underneath the FPS sci-fi war surface though. What's funny is I was watching a Planetside 2 stream on The Mittani and thought that was Dust 514 at first, then I eventually realized what it was and instantly downloaded PS2 afterward. Pretty fun. It is pretty fun yeah.. but maybe people can play both since they're F2P ^-^
But who has a PS3? |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
880
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:56:00 -
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shelf lives of games tied to console clearly way too long then lol
--- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
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Posted - 2013.06.07 23:59:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3?
I was thinking about getting one, but the PS4 is coming out in the fall...
I might get that so I can play Planetside on it. (I don't like PC FPS's anymore, wears out my laptop keyboard).
I might download DUST, but the PS4 isn't going to be backwards compatible and I don't know if CCP knows how to move DUST to it |
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:02:00 -
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The target market for DUST begins and ends with EvE bittervets who are bored to death with the space game, too "HTFU" to ever play some bullshit kiddie themepark like STO or SWTOR, and were looking for an excuse to buy a console. Within that microscopic demographic, DUST will be the only FPS anyone would ever play. People who don't give a crap about and have never heard of EvE will play it for thirty seconds, uninstall, and never look back. |
Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
226
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:02:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? I was thinking about getting one, but the PS4 is coming out in the fall... I might get that so I can play Planetside on it. (I don't like PC FPS's anymore, wears out my laptop keyboard). I might download DUST, but the PS4 isn't going to be backwards compatible and I don't know if CCP knows how to move DUST to it
Probably should have just waited to port it on the PS4 so they could've use that Unreal Engine that was originally intended. |
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Anndy
The Evocati
62
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:04:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? I was thinking about getting one, but the PS4 is coming out in the fall... I might get that so I can play Planetside on it. (I don't like PC FPS's anymore, wears out my laptop keyboard). I might download DUST, but the PS4 isn't going to be backwards compatible and I don't know if CCP knows how to move DUST to it
it might not happen right away but it will be converted to the PS4, it would be seriously stupid of CCP to release a game they expect to keep going along side eve right at the end of a consoles life and throw away 5 years of funding plus whatever it cost them for the eve sides changes
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:09:00 -
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Anndy wrote: it might not happen right away but it will be converted to the PS4, it would be seriously stupid of CCP to release a game they expect to keep going along side eve right at the end of a consoles life and throw away 5 years of funding plus whatever it cost them for the eve sides changes
True, but the question should be if DUST's profit potential warrants more development given it's performance in 2013 and in light of recent news, the Planetside juggernaut will be there waiting for it. |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:11:00 -
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Planetside is the most direct competitor I could imagine. What is DUST's selling point when compared to Planetside 2? |
Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
226
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:12:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Planetside is the most direct competitor I could imagine. What is DUST's selling point when compared to Planetside 2?
Spreadsheet FPS? |
Litair
Donchian Stripes
26
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:12:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? I was thinking about getting one, but the PS4 is coming out in the fall... I might get that so I can play Planetside on it. (I don't like PC FPS's anymore, wears out my laptop keyboard). I might download DUST, but the PS4 isn't going to be backwards compatible and I don't know if CCP knows how to move DUST to it
I just want to point out that FPS games are probably the worst possible games to play on a console. Controllers + real time precision aiming = massive incomprehensible failure. For the love of god, get Planetside on pc. It's worth a worn out laptop keyboard.
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:17:00 -
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Litair wrote:Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? I was thinking about getting one, but the PS4 is coming out in the fall... I might get that so I can play Planetside on it. (I don't like PC FPS's anymore, wears out my laptop keyboard). I might download DUST, but the PS4 isn't going to be backwards compatible and I don't know if CCP knows how to move DUST to it I just want to point out that FPS games are probably the worst possible games to play on a console. Controllers + real time precision aiming = massive incomprehensible failure. For the love of god, get Planetside on pc. It's worth a worn out laptop keyboard.
It's new though, maybe after I spill a few things on it I won't care anymore. |
Anndy
The Evocati
62
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:20:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Anndy wrote: it might not happen right away but it will be converted to the PS4, it would be seriously stupid of CCP to release a game they expect to keep going along side eve right at the end of a consoles life and throw away 5 years of funding plus whatever it cost them for the eve sides changes
True, but the question should be if DUST's profit potential warrants more development given it's performance in 2013 and in light of recent news, the Planetside juggernaut will be there waiting for it.
no idea what the profits are but being f2p i'm sure it's making a decent bit, really they just need to do some advertising but CCP has never been great at that
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote: Planetside is the most direct competitor I could imagine. What is DUST's selling point when compared to Planetside 2?
dust has better gameplay imo, PS2 is a lot bigger scale but i'm not sure how far they will have to bring that down to work on console hardware, it's already fairly laggy on even beefy PCs
also the skill system is much different and really PS2 has way more p2w then dust, honestly when you compare them PS2 becomes more for the COD type |
GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:25:00 -
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how stupid do people have to be to not know that PS2 was going to be a flagship title on the ps4?
didn't the last 10 game updates over the last 6 months hint to it enough? |
Litair
Donchian Stripes
26
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:27:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Litair wrote:Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? I was thinking about getting one, but the PS4 is coming out in the fall... I might get that so I can play Planetside on it. (I don't like PC FPS's anymore, wears out my laptop keyboard). I might download DUST, but the PS4 isn't going to be backwards compatible and I don't know if CCP knows how to move DUST to it I just want to point out that FPS games are probably the worst possible games to play on a console. Controllers + real time precision aiming = massive incomprehensible failure. For the love of god, get Planetside on pc. It's worth a worn out laptop keyboard. It's new though, maybe after I spill a few things on it I won't care anymore.
Very well, I suppose that is an acceptable condition :p |
DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:30:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:how stupid do people have to be to not know that PS2 was going to be a flagship title on the ps4?
didn't the last 10 game updates over the last 6 months hint to it enough?
also, dust was partially paid for by sony to get their userbase acquainted to the idea of a f2p fps mmo.
absolutely nothing outta this is a surprise. if dust closes shop in 6 months, noone will care, not even ccp will.
Indeed |
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Capt Tenguru10
Nintendo Power Against ALL Authorities
846
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:44:00 -
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I have never played dust and don't really care to, but i will say I played ps2. It is a horrible game. I mean terrible IMHO. It is so boring and ridiculous I don't know why people play it. http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif |
Kiblete
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:45:00 -
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Litair wrote:Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? I was thinking about getting one, but the PS4 is coming out in the fall... I might get that so I can play Planetside on it. (I don't like PC FPS's anymore, wears out my laptop keyboard). I might download DUST, but the PS4 isn't going to be backwards compatible and I don't know if CCP knows how to move DUST to it I just want to point out that FPS games are probably the worst possible games to play on a console. Controllers + real time precision aiming = massive incomprehensible failure. For the love of god, get Planetside on pc. It's worth a worn out laptop keyboard.
The ps3 has a keyboard and mouse BTW. |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
0
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Posted - 2013.06.08 00:50:00 -
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Anndy wrote:Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote: True, but the question should be if DUST's profit potential warrants more development given it's performance in 2013 and in light of recent news, the Planetside juggernaut will be there waiting for it.
no idea what the profits are but being f2p i'm sure it's making a decent bit, really they just need to do some advertising but CCP has never been great at that
I have no idea how DUST is doing in CCP's eyes and I haven't even played it. But my point was that whatever it made in 2013 (and whatever profit projection this extrapolates out to) is going to be probably cut in half at least when it's directly competing with PS2.
I can't imagine a scenario where it's better off when it hits PlayStation 4 than it was at launch on PS3. So the question CCP would have to ask itself is whether it's worth it |
Thar Saal
Dead Pod Syndrome MORE.DPS
24
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:01:00 -
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Freighdee Katt wrote:The target market for DUST begins and ends with EvE bittervets who are bored to death with the space game, too "HTFU" to ever play some bullshit kiddie themepark like STO or SWTOR, and were looking for an excuse to buy a console. Within that microscopic demographic, DUST will be the only FPS anyone would ever play. People who don't give a crap about and have never heard of EvE will play it for thirty seconds, uninstall, and never look back.
Shockingly accurate explanation of Dust's demographic. Makes me almost pity CCP in their decisions to create the game built around the audience, stuck between having to make the game fit the expectations of eve players and ignoring the need for a decent fps foundation which would have attracted other fps/console players.
What is a shame is that the community will never understand or learn about the profit loss/gain from CCP's little diversion of a title because I can only assume they loss quite a bit of resources from the whole deal.
I think the lasting legacy of Dust514 is a strong warning or wake up call to CCP for future projects outside of maintaining EVE(hopefully for another decade), considering their other ventures failed in such an abysmal fashion. |
Velarra
234
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:09:00 -
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So what do you figure the odds are WoD Online will be coded for the PS4? Further, that it'll be in public open beta by and around the time the PS5 is 6 months from release? |
Thar Saal
Dead Pod Syndrome MORE.DPS
24
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:16:00 -
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Velarra wrote:So what do you figure the odds are WoD Online will be coded for the PS4? Further, that it'll be in public open beta by and around the time the PS5 is 6 months from release?
I hope CCP has the sense to keep it on the pc, and ignore the ps4, and i hope public beta for WoD starts Q1 of 2014/
on a side note/ Imagine the woe of CCP if WoD crumbles like dust. Why would any talented/upcoming designer sign on to that studio for that level of job security. |
Melvin Earl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:31:00 -
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I am surprised many of you are shocked by this news. How many more FPS games move on to the greener pastures that is the console and controller before you accept that a FPS on the PC is a dead market? |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1340
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:32:00 -
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Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
Thar Saal
Dead Pod Syndrome MORE.DPS
25
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:34:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:I am surprised many of you are shocked by this news. How many more FPS games move on to the greener pastures that is the console and controller before you accept that a FPS on the PC is a dead market?
Arma3, battlefield, crysis, RO2/RS, TF, PS2, BlackLight, CS:GO and many more argue against the statement of any decay of pc fps or its market. |
Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
228
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:35:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me.
They who murdered Galaxies.
Never forget. |
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
211
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:43:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? I was thinking about getting one, but the PS4 is coming out in the fall... I got one, just to play Dust, it was a big mistake. This was my first console ever. I'm still shocked how bad the graphics are. I really can't remember when i last played a game with such a poor resolution, that must be over 10 years back or something. |
Melvin Earl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:43:00 -
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Thar Saal wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:I am surprised many of you are shocked by this news. How many more FPS games move on to the greener pastures that is the console and controller before you accept that a FPS on the PC is a dead market? Arma3, battlefield, crysis, RO2/RS, TF, PS2, BlackLight, CS:GO and many more argue against the statement of any decay of pc fps or its market. Go look at FPS sales on a console versus a PC. Post your findings here. |
Thar Saal
Dead Pod Syndrome MORE.DPS
25
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Posted - 2013.06.08 01:49:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Thar Saal wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:I am surprised many of you are shocked by this news. How many more FPS games move on to the greener pastures that is the console and controller before you accept that a FPS on the PC is a dead market? Arma3, battlefield, crysis, RO2/RS, TF, PS2, BlackLight, CS:GO and many more argue against the statement of any decay of pc fps or its market. Go look at FPS sales on a console versus a PC. Post your findings here.
Posting sales figures wouldn't prove or negate my comments made. CoD selling double digit numbers on consoles doesn't suddenly mean pc developing studios jump boats for console exclusive markets. Their will always be a strong market for pc fps regardless of other hardware. I'd argue that instead of fps dying out on pc, more are being developed. |
Domer Pyle
Northern Flemish Bastards Inc Yulai Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:01:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me.
it does? funny. always thought it stood for MemoryLeak Online Entertainment. their games sure are full of them. that's why planetside is still laggy when you run it on a decent computer. "Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron |
Melvin Earl
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:03:00 -
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Thar Saal wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:Thar Saal wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:I am surprised many of you are shocked by this news. How many more FPS games move on to the greener pastures that is the console and controller before you accept that a FPS on the PC is a dead market? Arma3, battlefield, crysis, RO2/RS, TF, PS2, BlackLight, CS:GO and many more argue against the statement of any decay of pc fps or its market. Go look at FPS sales on a console versus a PC. Post your findings here. Posting sales figures wouldn't prove or negate my comments made. CoD selling double digit numbers on consoles doesn't suddenly mean pc developing studios jump boats for console exclusive markets. Their will always be a strong market for pc fps regardless of other hardware. I'd argue that instead of fps dying out on pc, more are being developed. I ask you to find hard evidence and you dismiss it declairing that your personal opinion is all that matters. |
Thar Saal
Dead Pod Syndrome MORE.DPS
25
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:12:00 -
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Melvin Earl wrote:Thar Saal wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:Thar Saal wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:I am surprised many of you are shocked by this news. How many more FPS games move on to the greener pastures that is the console and controller before you accept that a FPS on the PC is a dead market? Arma3, battlefield, crysis, RO2/RS, TF, PS2, BlackLight, CS:GO and many more argue against the statement of any decay of pc fps or its market. Go look at FPS sales on a console versus a PC. Post your findings here. Posting sales figures wouldn't prove or negate my comments made. CoD selling double digit numbers on consoles doesn't suddenly mean pc developing studios jump boats for console exclusive markets. Their will always be a strong market for pc fps regardless of other hardware. I'd argue that instead of fps dying out on pc, more are being developed. I ask you to find hard evidence and you dismiss it declairing that your personal opinion is all that matters.
Prove to me factually this is a correct statement "FPS on the PC is a dead market." I can already tell the type of evidence your'll struggle to find and why it's irrelevant.
Arguments are a two-way street. |
Lusty Wench
Nox Incurro
84
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:20:00 -
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PS2 is great fun until you realise just how wide spread the hacks are.
Aimbot, ESP, no bullet drop, no bullet spread, infinite ammo, no clip, teleportation...etc etc etc
You can say that you've never seen it therefore it isn't true, but I've done it so therefore it is true. You can't see the guys hiding in walls/terrain unless you have the ESP hack active. |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
300
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:27:00 -
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Dust 514 is your typical battlefield styled FPS. The only way to make it successful is if they give players some feeling of attachment like they do with eve. As it stands it is slightly better than warframe and slightly worse than Battle field. Why are games like league of legends so successful? Variety, investments, and competitive play, when you combine these elements into a game you end up with the formula required to make it long lasting. Dust has investments, a little variety with vehicles, and is as competitive as a FPS can get. "getting head shot by a 13 year old boy who plays 60 hours a week." However it is not original and just like battlefield 2142 it will die off within a year of its iteration.
The best thing CCP can do for themselves is try and make it an e-sport. The second best thing they can do for themselves is not to waste a single dime further into the FPS market or Dust 514 and try to break even. Just because my view point and opinion goes this way doesn't mean I dislike CCP as a developer. I, like others, see it as a mistake and I'll be around to enjoy other products they develop in the future. Join a Heroic Era today! |
Anndy
The Evocati
62
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:33:00 -
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Lusty Wench wrote:PS2 is great fun until you realise just how wide spread the hacks are.
Aimbot, ESP, no bullet drop, no bullet spread, infinite ammo, no clip, teleportation...etc etc etc
You can say that you've never seen it therefore it isn't true, but I've done it so therefore it is true. You can't see the guys hiding in walls/terrain unless you have the ESP hack active.
and that's exactly why i played for about a month before hitting uninstall and never looked back
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Lusty Wench
Nox Incurro
86
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:36:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me. They who murdered Galaxies. Never forget.
Preach it brother!
Sony will never get another cent from me. |
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Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:46:00 -
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Litair wrote: I just want to point out that FPS games are probably the worst possible games to play on a console. Controllers + real time precision aiming = massive incomprehensible failure. For the love of god, get Planetside on pc. It's worth a worn out laptop keyboard.
I said that to my nephew who's an X-Box nut and he said you get used to it and actually become quite skilled at it. For two players of equal skill, the PC player will always beat the console player though. It's just more intuitive and flexible to have mouse + keyboard combo.
Still, FPS are the most popular genre on consoles, so it must work Ok for people.
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Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
231
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:03:00 -
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Lusty Wench wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me. They who murdered Galaxies. Never forget. Preach it brother! Sony will never get another cent from me.
At least we still have SWGEmu. |
Lusty Wench
Nox Incurro
87
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:08:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:
At least we still have SWGEmu.
I haven't look at it in 'a very long time', have you tried it?
Comp Mini Suits....man those were good times. |
Majindoom Shi
We the Gankers
3
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:12:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? World Wide ps3 out sells xbox 360 even though xbox had a year head start on sales. So my guess is a fair amount of people have a ps3 |
Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:15:00 -
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Planetside 2 keeps your interest for maybe 2 months, then it's just boring. I played it for a few months, after a while, with no new content, it gets boring. It is a good game though, and has a huge fanbase from Planetside 1 so I forsee dust being a giant waste of money honestly now that Planetside is going console. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
269
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:15:00 -
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If Dust is only played by Eve bittervets, then no one in DUST should be surprised by AWOXing, Corp theft or general shennanigans that we all know and love from Eve |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
0
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:19:00 -
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I thought about this a bit since my last post and will just include it here, because might as well.
I think that players will be less likely to spend money on a F2P game they think is not "relevant"
While this may seem obvious, it's less obvious in terms of profit projection. Where often times instead of splitting market share, two similar products inexplicably diverge and one 'snowballs' down into the gutter.
It's not just a matter of gameplay, with PS2's popularity I don't see how DUST will be able to compete on the PS4 on a financial level (which has a snowball mechanism all it's own). Because when compared to PS2 an outside gamer will conclude DUST is irrelevant.
CCP will never be able to capture the marketshare and thus the 'relevancy' that PS2 already has, and that means less development dollars.
I think that DUST will continue to be a drain on EVE's development for as long as it exists and that's the only reason I even bother putting it out there. |
Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:19:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:If Dust is only played by Eve bittervets, then no one in DUST should be surprised by AWOXing, Corp theft or general shennanigans that we all know and love from Eve
None of that can really happen. Your weapons get locked if you have too much friendly fire going on, other than that, there's nothing to steal, and spying is kinda pointless. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:21:00 -
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Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote: I think that DUST will continue to be a drain on EVE's development for as long as it exists and that's the only reason I even bother putting it out there.
Like Incarna...which was unceremoniously killed.... http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO
Federal Defense Union
0
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:27:00 -
[50] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote: I think that DUST will continue to be a drain on EVE's development for as long as it exists and that's the only reason I even bother putting it out there.
Like Incarna...which was unceremoniously killed....
It was killed in a pretty funny/sad manner, but only because of a severe lack of imagination. WiS can be PvP and Sandbox , CCP failed with that though |
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:30:00 -
[51] - Quote
Someone mentioned that Sony shot themselves in the foot about another MMO?
Ask us EQII and SWG players all about it!!! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 03:46:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Someone mentioned that Sony shot themselves in the foot about another MMO?
Ask us EQII and SWG players all about it!!!
EQ2 is still going, I log in every once in a while to train stuff lol. EQ2 died after Rise of Kunark because of the ******** mechanics for raid encounters. People got fed up with random chance affecting whether or not you'd be able to complete an encounter, or having to be ridiculously over geared for the encounter to win. There was no longer any progression, but reliance of either random chance or out gearing the content and not having any progression...top that off with microtransaction garbage and you had a perfect storm for mass exodus. I have 2 lifetime free station pass accounts so I still log in from time to time, but I have a feeling EQ2 isn't going to get any more influx of people. The other problem was the pure apathy in maintaining the game...they released some stupid dungeon designer so they didn't actually have to release significant new content, just let the players make the content...that's not what the players want...they don't want to develop their game, they want someone to make the game so they can play it. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Anndy
The Evocati
62
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:10:00 -
[53] - Quote
Victoria Sin wrote: so it must work Ok for people.
pretty much every console FPS uses some form of aim assist to compensate |
Lusty Wench
Nox Incurro
87
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:17:00 -
[54] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Someone mentioned that Sony shot themselves in the foot about another MMO?
Ask us EQII and SWG players all about it!!!
Planetside 1 BFR SWG the village..yeah ok, CU dont like but ok I'll live, NGE yeah go get ******. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Someone mentioned that Sony shot themselves in the foot about another MMO?
Ask us EQII and SWG players all about it!!! EQ2 is still going, I log in every once in a while to train stuff lol. EQ2 died after Rise of Kunark because of the ******** mechanics for raid encounters. People got fed up with random chance affecting whether or not you'd be able to complete an encounter, or having to be ridiculously over geared for the encounter to win. There was no longer any progression, but reliance of either random chance or out gearing the content and not having any progression...top that off with microtransaction garbage and you had a perfect storm for mass exodus. I have 2 lifetime free station pass accounts so I still log in from time to time, but I have a feeling EQ2 isn't going to get any more influx of people. The other problem was the pure apathy in maintaining the game...they released some stupid dungeon designer so they didn't actually have to release significant new content, just let the players make the content...that's not what the players want...they don't want to develop their game, they want someone to make the game so they can play it.
EQII died because it went to war against the players. EQ2Flames wasn't created because it was just a fansite, it was created for all those who were banned (fully, not just on the forums, permanently banned from the game for disagreeing with SoE's design choices), and a place to expose the trash. You know something is wrong when a fansite about the trash is more popular than the official forums (more park themselves there than the EQII forums).
The backlash was horrid.
You bet SOE didn't like the exposure of their booster club antics or with Aeralik doing what CCP did with BoB.
Antics like that with another choice to play (WoW) was the downfall of EQII.
SOE has improved a lot since then, but not at the time it mattered. It's on life support now (a flagship IP Sony writes off).
I love EQII and will be there on the opening day of EQNext, but hope history doesn't repeat itself. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 04:36:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Barakkus wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Someone mentioned that Sony shot themselves in the foot about another MMO?
Ask us EQII and SWG players all about it!!! EQ2 is still going, I log in every once in a while to train stuff lol. EQ2 died after Rise of Kunark because of the ******** mechanics for raid encounters. People got fed up with random chance affecting whether or not you'd be able to complete an encounter, or having to be ridiculously over geared for the encounter to win. There was no longer any progression, but reliance of either random chance or out gearing the content and not having any progression...top that off with microtransaction garbage and you had a perfect storm for mass exodus. I have 2 lifetime free station pass accounts so I still log in from time to time, but I have a feeling EQ2 isn't going to get any more influx of people. The other problem was the pure apathy in maintaining the game...they released some stupid dungeon designer so they didn't actually have to release significant new content, just let the players make the content...that's not what the players want...they don't want to develop their game, they want someone to make the game so they can play it. EQII died because it went to war against the players. EQ2Flames wasn't created because it was just a fansite, it was created for all those who were banned (fully, not just on the forums, permanently banned from the game for disagreeing with SoE's design choices), and a place to expose the trash. The backlash was horrid. You bet SOE didn't like the exposure of their booster club antics or with Aeralik doing what CCP did with BoB. Antics like that with another choice to play (WoW) was the downfall of EQII. SOE has improved a lot since then, but not at the time it mattered. It's on life support now (a flagship IP Sony writes off). I love EQII and will be there on the opening day of EQNext, but hope history doesn't repeat itself.
You have EQ2Flames history all wrong. I was one of the forum moderators they were mad at when they made the site (StrollingWolf), and I happened to be in the little circle of "privleged" players that SOE used for feedback on EQ2 outside of the mainstream forums that the people that founded EQ2Flames came from. EQ2Flames was created because certain individuals threw a fit that players were recruited to be forum mods after one of our own told his buddies that he was a forum mod and who the rest of us were. It was basically internet nerd rage/jealousy and they decided they would be giant trolls in order to get back at SOE for not making them "one of the chosen ones", that and gaige and his buddies were just a bonafied dicks who would stab their friends in the back given the chance.
Funny thing is I was going through some old hard drives a few weeks ago and found all the stuff I saved of all the internal forum moderator board drama and EQ2Flames drama lol. Some funny **** right there. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:00:00 -
[57] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:You have EQ2Flames history all wrong. I was one of the forum moderators they were mad at when they made the site (StrollingWolf),
Ah, no.
If that isn't biased (a EQII moderator claiming, "YOU GOT IT WRONG!!!") when guess who helped ban the players who were protesting?
EQII's moderators can be pretty bad. I remember getting into a fight with one as she tried to control what I was posting -- trying to tell me how to post my content. That type of micromanagement of the "message" is horrid. No other game forum have I been on had the staff trying to control the very content of a player's posts.
Remember the RMT discussions/debates back in 2008? Yeah, that's the time when it got nuts. Support for it was glad-handing players to post what SOE wanted (and I was actually for it...but no, don't tell me how to post to even support it). Sleezy marketing.
No one controls the content of my posts or my viewpoints. Not Blizzard. Not EA. Not CCP...and certainly not SOE. I'm never a paid stooge.
So really do tell the truth, and tell the world what actually goes on and not white wash it.
Barakkus wrote:that and gaige and his buddies were just a bonafied dicks who would stab their friends in the back given the chance.
Although I don't readily approve of Gaige's antics, he did help to expose the rotten core in SOE. The booster club junk and what Aeralik did that was no better than what CCP did with BoB (and CCP got away with it a lot nicer).
The result from the Aeralik fiasco was he was given his walking papers.
Too bad it didn't occur in 2005 when it mattered, and we know the aftermath -- WoW became the #1 MMO. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Barakkus
1908
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:11:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ace Uoweme wrote:Barakkus wrote:You have EQ2Flames history all wrong. I was one of the forum moderators they were mad at when they made the site (StrollingWolf), Ah, no. If that isn't biased (a EQII moderator claiming, "YOU GOT IT WRONG!!!") when guess who helped ban the players who were protesting? EQII's moderators can be pretty bad. I remember getting into a fight with one as she tried to control what I was posting -- trying to tell me how to post my content. That type of micromanagement of the "message" is horrid. No other game forum have I been on had the staff trying to control the very content of a player's posts. Remember the RMT discussions/debates back in 2008? Yeah, that's the time when it got nuts. Support for it was glad-handing players to post what SOE wanted (and I was actually for it...but no, don't tell me how to post to even support it). Sleezy marketing. No one controls the content of my posts or my viewpoints. Not Blizzard. Not EA. Not CCP...and certainly not SOE. I'm never a paid stooge. So really do tell the truth, and tell the world what actually goes on and not white wash it. Barakkus wrote:that and gaige and his buddies were just a bonafied dicks who would stab their friends in the back given the chance. Although I don't readily approve of Gaige's antics, he did help to expose the rotten core in SOE. The booster club junk and what Aeralik did that was no better than what CCP did with BoB (and CCP got away with it a lot nicer). The result from the Aeralik fiasco was he was given his walking papers. Too bad it didn't occur in 2005 when it mattered, and we know the aftermath -- WoW became the #1 MMO.
The allowing of moderators to edit posts was a bad idea and put an end to pretty quickly. Gaige, if you didn't know was a moderator...Let me guess Mawie was editing your posts? lol...she was sort of a ***** anyways...
Gaige acted like a spoiled little teenager about everything. He basically was a troll looking to drum up some sort of drama from day one. It got him off to make other people's lives difficult because he was just that pitiful irl. **** happens I guess. Gaige had no altruism to him what so ever, not a shred. From what I remember what Aeralik did wasn't nearly as bad as the BoB fiasco, although I can't recall the details at the moment, that was a long time ago lol.
Not trying to whitewash anything, I was probably the least hated of the forum moderators. I just know what kind of person Gaige was and Ixnay...they both were pathetic fatbeard internet gamers who basically were those kids you knew in high school that would try and bully kids to make themselves feel better about themselves and get approval of their peers...nothing more for the most part. Gaige hated his personal life so much that he decided it would make him feel more of a person to make other people miserable. He's a miserable sob honestly. I used to be friends with him, had some respect for him until he showed his true colors. Add in a few drama queens like that one chick, whom I forget her name but she was Gaige's and Ixnay's pet and a couple others and you got EQ2Flames. It basically came down to "being an ******* is kewl" and is why the whole thing started. Honestly most of them were fairly respected and listened to by SOE until they decided to do some juvenile stupid ****. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
246
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:11:00 -
[59] - Quote
Melvin Earl wrote:Thar Saal wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:I am surprised many of you are shocked by this news. How many more FPS games move on to the greener pastures that is the console and controller before you accept that a FPS on the PC is a dead market? Arma3, battlefield, crysis, RO2/RS, TF, PS2, BlackLight, CS:GO and many more argue against the statement of any decay of pc fps or its market. Go look at FPS sales on a console versus a PC. Post your findings here.
Curious if those figures include digital sales on PC. |
Niko medes
Sonoran Shadow
70
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:20:00 -
[60] - Quote
Malak Dawnfire wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me. They who murdered Galaxies. Never forget.
This. Sony is a lesser evil nowadays but still an evil. |
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2013.06.08 05:49:00 -
[61] - Quote
I actually wouldn't mind giving DUST a try, but I'm not about to buy a console just for that. It does seem a bit of an odd decision, when designing a game that's presumably supposed to have an in-depth, lasting relationship with Eve, to develop it for a console. My impression (which could be wrong) is that the console playing demographic is much more likely to play something for a while, then move on to the next thing, not really sticking around with any single game on a long-term basis. I suppose that's partly to do with the fact that consoles have a limited lifespan whereas with a PC, you can just swap around some parts and keep going with the same platform. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:03:00 -
[62] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:The allowing of moderators to edit posts was a bad idea and put an end to pretty quickly. Gaige, if you didn't know was a moderator...Let me guess Mawie was editing your posts? lol...she was sort of a ***** anyways...
I'm not talking about editing posts, I'm talking about a moderator telling me what to post itself. PMing me about it.
Remember the booster club antics? Well, it extended to the forum and what players were posting.
It was b-a-d.
SOE didn't want to hear honest feedback. They wanted to dictate the feedback itself.
EQ2Flames had to exist to combat that amount of control of the "message". "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Domer Pyle
Northern Flemish Bastards Inc Yulai Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:11:00 -
[63] - Quote
Lusty Wench wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Someone mentioned that Sony shot themselves in the foot about another MMO?
Ask us EQII and SWG players all about it!!! Planetside 1 BFR SWG the village..yeah ok, CU dont like but ok I'll live, NGE yeah go get ******.
RIP bridge battles :(
oh, but ReconDelta's nerdrage was hilarious to read after his precious bfrs got nerfed, lulz. "Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron |
Solutio Letum
Terpene Conglomerate
124
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:17:00 -
[64] - Quote
Melvin Earl wrote:Thar Saal wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:Thar Saal wrote:Melvin Earl wrote:I am surprised many of you are shocked by this news. How many more FPS games move on to the greener pastures that is the console and controller before you accept that a FPS on the PC is a dead market? Arma3, battlefield, crysis, RO2/RS, TF, PS2, BlackLight, CS:GO and many more argue against the statement of any decay of pc fps or its market. Go look at FPS sales on a console versus a PC. Post your findings here. Posting sales figures wouldn't prove or negate my comments made. CoD selling double digit numbers on consoles doesn't suddenly mean pc developing studios jump boats for console exclusive markets. Their will always be a strong market for pc fps regardless of other hardware. I'd argue that instead of fps dying out on pc, more are being developed. I ask you to find hard evidence and you dismiss it declairing that your personal opinion is all that matters.
step 1: go to steam step 2: go to top sellers step 3: look at the top pages!
#3 saintrow pakage #5 saintrow #8 Arma 3!! #10 saint row again >.< #15 Arma 2!! #19 Metro last light...
okok i know it might surprise you but... FPS do sell, people like first person games.. or third person like saint row.. allo.... but mostly gun games.... i missed a few just go take a look....
eddit: i don't see any spaceship games in there....... :\ |
DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:45:00 -
[65] - Quote
I would of like to see DUST as a single player/coop comparable to Borderlands on scale based on EVE lore...... |
DRGaius Baltar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.06.08 06:48:00 -
[66] - Quote
Also, FFS targeting mechanics in Metal Gear Solid Sons of Liberty was more accurate than the current build in Dust |
Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
238
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:24:00 -
[67] - Quote
Lusty Wench wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:
At least we still have SWGEmu.
I haven't look at it in 'a very long time', have you tried it? Comp Mini Suits....man those were good times.
I still play it, have my Comp mini suit, using Carbineer at the moment.
Edit: As a SWG player, I'm obligated to link http://www.swgemu.com/forums/index.php
It's like old times, kinda. Work in progress but it's all we have. SOON. |
flakeys
Interstellar Corporation of Science and Technology Interstellar Confederation
1155
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Posted - 2013.06.08 07:56:00 -
[68] - Quote
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Planetside is the most direct competitor I could imagine. What is DUST's selling point when compared to Planetside 2?
I played planetside 1 and recently planetside 2 .. the moment dust was announced and some screens where released the first thing i thought was ' that's a planetside rip off' .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Chamile Eonic
The Church of MDAMC
2
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Posted - 2013.06.08 10:18:00 -
[69] - Quote
Don't forget that Destiny is on its way too. With it being made by the same people who made Halo, its got good pedigree. All the talk seems to be around it being a MMOFPS on consoles only. It could eat another chunk of Dusts lunch.
To make matters worse, it seems CCP aren't learning. The New First person fighting game they showed at Fanfest. Who wants to guess that as dust gets wound down thats getting wound up. Tied into the Eve Universe in a totally pointless way, again. |
Lusty Wench
Nox Incurro
93
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:24:00 -
[70] - Quote
I've just *cough* 'found' my original SWG CDs.
I was TKM/Commando back in the day. + 12pt AS/WS
Looks like they've come along quite well since last I was there.
I don't even remember what we *did* back then, but it was never boring, I don't remember ever logging out because I had nothing to do.
I remember flamer throwering (it's a word) krayts looking for pearls.
Group grinding on Dant with a bunch of friends, and BHs rocking up when I was a fresh(ish) Jedi, it was my first PVP as a jedi, and you HAD to fight them because of skill loss. I remember owning those 2 bozos. |
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Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
74
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:55:00 -
[71] - Quote
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Planetside is the most direct competitor I could imagine. What is DUST's selling point when compared to Planetside 2?
Player agency and the meta-game. PS2 is just Battlefield in space, with really big maps.
I played it for a few days and then uninstalled it. Not because PS2 is bad - it's just meh. It's got nothing that other shooters don't already have. It's just scaled up a bit.
That said - PS2 beats Dust hands down in the handling department, and it's more immediately fun. If CCP can get their act together and fix the atrocious controls in Dust, and - FOR THE LOVE OF GOD - add some color (Seriously - hasn't anyone at CCP gotten the memo that grey and bland environments are stupid and annoying?), then I think Dust stands a chance, and will still be around for Planetside 14.
I wouldn't worry too much about Dust on the PS4 either. Officially, CCP isn't developing anything for the PS4, and the exclusivity for PS3 is set to expire soon. Ergo - slow death on PS3 or PC release. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
66
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:21:00 -
[72] - Quote
DRGaius Baltar wrote:ThisWill this affect future development on the console platform? any second thoughts with PC platform now?
thats not a headshot, thats the nail in the coffin. OMG! the asteroid is depleted! |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
59
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Posted - 2013.06.09 01:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
I think it's funny that people still bring up the KB/M Vs. controller argument. One is not inherently better than the other, it is all about what you practice and play with that matters. Like a hockey player that has played with a right handed stick for all of his life, and then you handed him a left handed stick. He will not be as good left handed as he is right handed, but does that make one stick better than the other? Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. |
Embarado
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.06.09 01:58:00 -
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Ohishi wrote:I think it's funny that people still bring up the KB/M Vs. controller argument. One is not inherently better than the other, it is all about what you practice and play with that matters.
Given the range of motion allowed by the mouse alone, not even considering the functional benefit of being many more keys at your other hand's disposal, this is demonstrably false. I have never seen a controller come close to the accuracy of a laser mouse, even optical for that matter.
But yeah, if you think that your thumb is every bit as accurate as your entire arm plus all of your hand and finger stabilizer muscles, then I have no idea what to tell you. Compare with games that don't aim for you and you should be able to tell the difference right away. "there is no old system anymore" -CCP BunnyVirus |
Bl4ck Ph03n1x
Gangsters And Gentlemen Silent Ascension
39
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:18:00 -
[75] - Quote
Soon on your devblogs: Dust porting to PC! That or...
If- WHEN dust will crash, CCP will have lost a major investment. That mean they will need a lot of money, fast. That mean Devs fired (it already happened massively with the nex events), microtransaction panic (NEED MONAY NAW), game simplification panic (NEED PLAYERZ NAW), and/or no expansion before a while, or a combination of the above.
I'm afraid. Some of these things are already happening. Some contents is not modified to make the universe better, but to please some parts of the population. Microtransactions are a past, and they could use the "ship skins" stuffs to sink a little more the sandbox without people complaining too much. Devs Fired? Already happend once, could happen again. Seen any true expansion these past years?
Well... Time to abandon ship? Star Citizen anyone?
Tl:dr CCP cannot afford to lose dust. They invested it the past years of devellopent that didn't go in EvE, and boatload of money. Losing it now would mean losing it all. And i don't believe the fps consoler will prefer the "better gameplay" of dust over the popularity of PS2. Brace yourself for WoW in space. Don't feed the trolls. |
Owena Owoked
Dedicated Individuals Committed to Killing
21
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:44:00 -
[76] - Quote
Embarado wrote:Ohishi wrote:I think it's funny that people still bring up the KB/M Vs. controller argument. One is not inherently better than the other, it is all about what you practice and play with that matters. Given the range of motion allowed by the mouse alone, not even considering the functional benefit of being many more keys at your other hand's disposal, this is demonstrably false. I have never seen a controller come close to the accuracy of a laser mouse, even optical for that matter. But yeah, if you think that your thumb is every bit as accurate as your entire arm plus all of your hand and finger stabilizer muscles, then I have no idea what to tell you. Compare with games that don't aim for you and you should be able to tell the difference right away. I do think my thumb is as accurate as everything you described, as when I first started playing FPS on the PC I used a trackball. I still think the trackball is far superior to the mouse, it is hard to find a new trackball I like though with the options that todays mice have packaged with them.
Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTyOXUNu824 |
Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
244
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:48:00 -
[77] - Quote
Lusty Wench wrote:I've just *cough* 'found' my original SWG CDs.
I was TKM/Commando back in the day. + 12pt AS/WS
Looks like they've come along quite well since last I was there.
I don't even remember what we *did* back then, but it was never boring, I don't remember ever logging out because I had nothing to do.
I remember flamer throwering (it's a word) krayts looking for pearls.
Group grinding on Dant with a bunch of friends, and BHs rocking up when I was a fresh(ish) Jedi, it was my first PVP as a jedi, and you HAD to fight them because of skill loss. I remember owning those 2 bozos.
You should join back in! With Publish 3 (Whenever they release that on Bas) bases will finally be added and plenty more of the Points of Interest will be populated accordingly. Never a dull moment, I just hope they eventually bring back the TEF system, that was good fun. |
Lyza Kimbo
Cat Scratch Fever
19
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:54:00 -
[78] - Quote
Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote: ... Brace yourself for WoW in space.
You say that like it was a bad thing
Just imagine the possumbilities-
Space Elves Space Trolls! Interstellar Halflings Sparkly Vacuum Vampires!
Oh, and the inevitable YouTube machinima music videos "I'm too sexy for my Naglfar, Too sexy for my Naglfar, Up in that wormhole, WAY far!" |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:08:00 -
[79] - Quote
Lyza Kimbo wrote:Bl4ck Ph03n1x wrote: ... Brace yourself for WoW in space.
You say that like it was a bad thing Just imagine the possumbilities- Space Elves Space Trolls! Interstellar Halflings Sparkly Vacuum Vampires! Oh, and the inevitable YouTube machinima music videos "I'm too sexy for my Naglfar, Too sexy for my Naglfar, Up in that wormhole, WAY far!"
You forgot space pandas "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
fairimear
Air Initiative Mercenaries
2
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:10:00 -
[80] - Quote
who did not see this coming besides CCP?
and once again we see why ccp should done dust for pc or not at all |
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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
245
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:36:00 -
[81] - Quote
Owena Owoked wrote:But yeah, if you think that your thumb is every bit as accurate as your entire arm plus all of your hand and finger stabilizer muscles
Doesn't matter how fast you are, you're still limited by the speed of your controls.
Console controls are not as agile as a laser mouse (and can't mod the USB controller for even more speed...computers you can).
Consoles are cheap for a reason. You compromise performance and modifications for $$$ saved.
A lot of voodoo is done to get games to perform similar to PCs (notice the gate animations and loss of control? That's the stuff done to make consoles play when it can't perform on par as a computer).
There's no substitute for a PC for FPS games. Let us know if the PS3 can perform as well as a quad SLI computer; 16GB of fast memory; and a processor that'll run circles around a console -- Hint: it can't it doesn't have the horsepower.
In BF3 do you know how they got the XBox and PS3 to work with PCs? Things like auto aiming, as they can't compete with PCs and their speed.
It's a joke about accuracy and speed to compare console performance against computers that regularly play FPS games. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Zane Lowe
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2013.06.09 11:50:00 -
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Mouse and keyboard is the "better" control system strictly speaking, but I prefer to play all video games with a controller. It just feels better.
I have no idea why the "premier" gaming device is a glorified typewriter. It breaks any kind of immersion I have in pretty much any game. |
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2013.06.09 12:58:00 -
[83] - Quote
Zane Lowe wrote:Mouse and keyboard is the "better" control system strictly speaking, but I prefer to play all video games with a controller. It just feels better.
I have no idea why the "premier" gaming device is a glorified typewriter. It breaks any kind of immersion I have in pretty much any game. How does it feel being stuck in the eighties? "You either need less science fiction or more medication."
"Or less medication and more ammo!" |
Lyza Kimbo
Cat Scratch Fever
20
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:43:00 -
[84] - Quote
fairimear wrote:who did not see this coming besides CCP?
and once again we see why ccp should done dust for pc or not at all
QFT = quoted for truth
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
811
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:49:00 -
[85] - Quote
played a few planetside 2 games, was not impressed, uninstalled. Can't really see the point. now Dust on PC I'd actually play because of the Eve universe This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
C DeLeon
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
142
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Posted - 2013.06.09 18:56:00 -
[86] - Quote
Making dust an important part of sov warfare and releasing it on pc would turn dust into a decent success because all those bittervets would play the crap out of it. PS2 was exciting for me for like 2 weeks but after that I was even too lazy to uninstall it. On the other hand I'm having fun with Dust althought it's still in the baby phase. |
Dorion Strag
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:15:00 -
[87] - Quote
Did CCP not headshot DUST 514 when they made it a PS3 exclusive spinoff of a PC based game? |
Kult Altol
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
386
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Posted - 2013.06.09 19:42:00 -
[88] - Quote
I was about to open OPs link, but it was the martini. Yeeeeeah, rather read the ingredients of shampoo. An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. A narrow mind is a focused mind.
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Djana Libra
The Black Ops S2N Citizens
238
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:38:00 -
[89] - Quote
Malak Dawnfire wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me. They who murdered Galaxies. Never forget.
Never forgive. |
Katia Pwomperson
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:48:00 -
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Malak Dawnfire wrote:How can you kill which had no life?
What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger. |
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Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
60
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:18:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Owena Owoked wrote:But yeah, if you think that your thumb is every bit as accurate as your entire arm plus all of your hand and finger stabilizer muscles Owena Owoked was misquoted in your post and you expect people to take you seriously?
Also, I have 16 gig of RAM in my gaming PC and I'll tell you what, it is a waste to have that much RAM for gaming. You will never use it. Also, look at the specs for the new PS4 and XBOX 1. They basically are computers.
And to your point about auto-aim. Console games didn't always have auto-aim. Games like RS3 and GR/GR:IT never had auto aim and they had millions of copies sold and huge competitive gaming scenes.
Also, you can mod the controller for more speed and accuracy. There are even dedicated sites setup where you can purchase your own modded controller from $50 and up.
But like I said earlier, just because you are biased towards KB/M does not mean controller is any less viable as a control scheme. It is just what you prefer. Preference is not proof of fact and there are people out there that will use a controller over your KB/M and destroy you in a FPS without the need of auto aim. Hell I play BF3 almost exclusively now with my 360 controller plugged into my PC and I still get top 5 on my team just about every match. Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. |
Kiblete
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:22:00 -
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Djana Libra wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me. They who murdered Galaxies. Never forget. Never forgive.
The NGE was Lucasarts, blame them.
Is the Emu still going? |
Praeduran Taiadriius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:27:00 -
[93] - Quote
It would have been a better idea for CCP to wait a short time to port DUST to the PS4 for another game at launch rather then that of releasing during the end of the PS3's life. Regardless of what system, PS4 is not backwards compatible which is a major problem for the life span of dust514 because the PS4 is soon to launch |
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
60
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:35:00 -
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Praeduran Taiadriius wrote:It would have been a better idea for CCP to wait a short time to port DUST to the PS4 for another game at launch rather then that of releasing during the end of the PS3's life. Regardless of what system, PS4 is not backwards compatible which is a major problem for the life span of dust514 because the PS4 is soon to launch PS4 is not backwards compatible because they want to sell you PS3 games as DLC on PS4. Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought. |
Malak Dawnfire
Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS
246
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:39:00 -
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Kiblete wrote:Djana Libra wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me. They who murdered Galaxies. Never forget. Never forgive. The NGE was Lucasarts, blame them. Is the Emu still going?
Yup. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
807
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:57:00 -
[96] - Quote
Console games evolved a lot since their beginning, have more in common with PC games than the old console ones except for controls but they're getting to the point your console soon enough is nothing else but another computer, less powerful or versatile.
This said, leads me to Dust514 and Eve. Eve is not dieing, we can agree it's rather an old system even CCP have hard time to recode without introducing new bugs and brake what was fine. Dust will not die neither but in order for it to survive as long as Eve we can expect a PC version out one day or another that WILL be far more successful than the console version.
Planetside2 is quite awesome, spandex and hysteric Max's erryday. Dust? -I don't know and don't want to know, I don't play console games and not ready to buy one to do the same thing I can do with my computer but worst.
And lol for the 80's comment above, tell us all about it. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
807
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Posted - 2013.06.09 23:13:00 -
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Praeduran Taiadriius wrote:It would have been a better idea for CCP to wait a short time to port DUST to the PS4 for another game at launch rather then that of releasing during the end of the PS3's life. Regardless of what system, PS4 is not backwards compatible which is a major problem for the life span of dust514 because the PS4 is soon to launch
Dude CCP can't put a Directx11 option client already because of greedy. XP OS not even updated anymore by the editor who doesn't even want to listen talking about anymore, they moved forward for more interesting stuff which is good.
In a year or two PS5 will be out, games will become again incompatible with new stuff and yada ya, idiots will continue to buy that crap because it's fashion yada ya and the circle goes on and on. Makes me think about Apple and the latest news, you know people who want to get the cake eat it and pound the cooker on the couch, this always finishes ugly one day or another. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4175
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Posted - 2013.06.10 00:30:00 -
[98] - Quote
Digital Messiah wrote:Just because my view point and opinion goes this way doesn't mean I dislike CCP as a developer. I, like others, see it as a mistake and I'll be around to enjoy other products they develop in the future.
I am often VERY critic about CCPs works and for a simple reason.
They had a vast and bold vision, ALIEN TALENT, the Zuckerberg / Steve Jobs kind of talent... they really had it... but back in 2000.
True, they delivered some nasty spaghetti code and similar but EvE was born of genius.
Then those guys retired or got promoted to high ranks and they started hiring "regular guys". Regular designers, regular programmers... and year after year, EvE became more and more of a better coded game but by people who don't have the ALIEN TALENT and thus we witness for these "okay" patches or even some atrocious garbage like the "launcher".
The new titles are not made by ALIEN TALENT programmers and designers. Therefore they born lackluster if not somewhat dated and boring.
CCP have to find the ancient glories kind of people again, because EvE cannot alone carry CCP over forever and on inertia. After all EvE's being over-dumbed down and ruined as we speak, sooner or later the ancient playerbase at the root of every MMO players retention will start losing people to turnover and just to seeing the game made a shadow of itself.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Black Dranzer
242
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Posted - 2013.06.10 01:31:00 -
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CCP chose the PS3 for a specific reason; Because they didn't want to compete with their own playerbase. It's fair to assume that PS3 FPS Dudebros are not Eve's target audience. In that, it was a good idea; They were reaching out for a new market. The idea was that they'd unite two playerbases in one universe. Vastly different cultures uniting together. It's a beautiful vision.
Unfortunately, it's flawed for one fundamental reason: MMOs have a much longer lifespan than consoles.
Ultima Online has been kicking around for what, 16 years? Some older MUDS have been going on for decades. Consoles, on the other hand, get discarded every 5 years or so. Their technology rapidly and chaotically changes. Backwards compatibility is a luxury. Games released for consoles are stuck in a technological timewarp; They don't really have room to grow. None of these things mesh well with MMOs. In fact, they clash horribly.
I'm not sure what the deal was. I remember the first question upon the announcement of DUST was "But what happens with the PS3 dies?", and the only answer was a sort of awkward "we'll see when we get there". Maybe they predicted a bigger adaption rate and massive incomes which would fund further development. Maybe they expected the current generation of consoles to last longer, or for DUST to take less time to develop than it did. They couldn't have failed to predict this. Somebody in CCP must have asked these questions. What was the answer? We know what the vision was, but what was the plan?
DUST's best bet is to abandon the PS3 and become a purely PC FPS, assuming licensing deals with Sony haven't made this practically impossible. There'd be some overlap with the Eve market, but DUST strikes me as more of a PC Shooter kind of game anyway.
But sadly, I fear they're locked into contractual obligations with Sony, that they know the current situation is bad, but that there's nothing they can practically do about it. So they keep moving forward.
God speed, CCP. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Nyratic
354
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:03:00 -
[100] - Quote
Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Planetside is the most direct competitor I could imagine. What is DUST's selling point when compared to Planetside 2? Literally the only thing is the connection to Eve, something that the average console player isn't going to care about. Bienator II: "You can identify eve players by looking at their cars. Since they don't drive what they can't afford to lose." I play in highsec. |
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1580
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:05:00 -
[101] - Quote
dark heartt wrote:Noooo Noooooo NOOOOOOOOO wrote:Planetside is the most direct competitor I could imagine. What is DUST's selling point when compared to Planetside 2? Literally the only thing is the connection to Eve, something that the average console player isn't going to care about.
And what many Eve players despite. Odd how very little is ever thought out.
The whole DUST concept and the Eve connection is something that sounds interesting on paper, but is terrible in practice. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Flamespar
Woof Club
609
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:12:00 -
[102] - Quote
Looks like CCP need to hurry up and get their so called 'AAA shooter' up to scratch. There will be a number of free to play shooters that will be launching with the PS4 that are much more highly polished than dust. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Nariya Kentaya
Exclusion Cartel The Kadeshi
620
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Posted - 2013.06.10 04:32:00 -
[103] - Quote
Malak Dawnfire wrote:Kiblete wrote:Djana Libra wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Well SOE does stand for Sony Online Entertainment. The Playstation is made by Sony.
Makes sense to me. They who murdered Galaxies. Never forget. Never forgive. The NGE was Lucasarts, blame them. Is the Emu still going? Yup. Always wanted to try the emo, but everytime i go to try i remember the only reason i played SWG was the same reason i play EVE, all the friends i had made that i could explore and **** around in a cantina with.
but yeah, came into SWg a month before CU, CU was tolerable, but i had to cry myself to sleep every night after NGE, ended up quitting a month ro two after the big protest in Theed where Admins teleported everyone to instadeath zones. |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1517
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Posted - 2013.06.10 05:08:00 -
[104] - Quote
DRGaius Baltar wrote:Will this affect future development on the console platform?
I have always doubted Dust would do particularly well anyway. I love the idea of Dust, and the planning and thought behind it are fantastic, but ultimately it has become a pretty mediocre game and Planetside 2 will trample all over it.
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Prince Kobol
790
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Posted - 2013.06.10 07:00:00 -
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I will go against the grain here and I say I enjoy Dust :)
Yeah it has its faults (like every game) but it will be continued to be improved.
As for PS2.. downloaded for PC.. played, realised after 5 minutes that unless you use some kind of bot you don't stand a chance so download a bot, got banned.
Created new account.. had some fun, zerg, some more zerg, got banned. Repeat until get bored of zerg, un-installed a short time later.
I've started out playing FPS on the PC back with quake, quake2, Unreal, the days when when you wanted to play multi-player it involved actually moving your physical rig to some venue.
The reason I stopped and moved over to console was because I got sick of all the bots that were being used.
Not saying that they don't exist on consoles but they are far less prevalent then on PC. |
Andemnon Kohort
Protagonists Of Doom
53
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:22:00 -
[106] - Quote
Majindoom Shi wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? World Wide ps3 out sells xbox 360 even though xbox had a year head start on sales. So my guess is a fair amount of people have a ps3
North America, 44 million xbox 360's and 27 million PS3's worldwide, the overall sales are identical, the only reason for this, is because the PS3 was very popular in japan. vg chartz console sales worldwide |
Prince Kobol
791
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:51:00 -
[107] - Quote
Andemnon Kohort wrote:Majindoom Shi wrote:Malak Dawnfire wrote:But who has a PS3? World Wide ps3 out sells xbox 360 even though xbox had a year head start on sales. So my guess is a fair amount of people have a ps3 North America, 44 million xbox 360's and 27 million PS3's worldwide, the overall sales are identical, the only reason for this, is because the PS3 was very popular in japan. vg chartz console sales worldwide
No, one of the major reasons why the PS3 sold well is because when it was released it was the cheapest way to have a blu ray player |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3625
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Posted - 2013.06.10 08:51:00 -
[108] - Quote
Brooks Puuntai wrote:The whole DUST concept and the Eve connection is something that sounds interesting on paper CCP, bringing you the best in ~~
Brooks Puuntai wrote: but is terrible in practice. Oh. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Prince Kobol
791
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Posted - 2013.06.10 09:00:00 -
[109] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:The whole DUST concept and the Eve connection is something that sounds interesting on paper CCP, bringing you the best in ~~ Brooks Puuntai wrote: but is terrible in practice. Oh.
I wouldn't call it terrible. For me Dust is a game that needs a lot of polishing but you can see massive potential. It is much more involved and has much more scope and depth then any other FPS game.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1583
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Posted - 2013.06.10 09:37:00 -
[110] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:The whole DUST concept and the Eve connection is something that sounds interesting on paper CCP, bringing you the best in ~~ Brooks Puuntai wrote: but is terrible in practice. Oh. I wouldn't call it terrible. For me Dust is a game that needs a lot of polishing but you can see massive potential. It is much more involved and has much more scope and depth then any other FPS game.
CCP isn't known for its ability to polish features. How long has DUST been indev and even basic combat control/movement is still very sluggish? I doubt console players have the same patience as Eve players have when it comes to waiting for improvements.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
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Tub Chil
Last Men Standing
59
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Posted - 2013.06.10 10:04:00 -
[111] - Quote
Dust is dying? |
Wodensun
ZeroSec
110
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Posted - 2013.06.10 11:04:00 -
[112] - Quote
Malak Dawnfire wrote:How can you kill which had no life?
Southpark ftw Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident... |
Hehaw Jimbojohnson
Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance
57
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Posted - 2013.06.10 21:45:00 -
[113] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:The whole DUST concept and the Eve connection is something that sounds interesting on paper CCP, bringing you the best in ~~ Brooks Puuntai wrote: but is terrible in practice. Oh. I wouldn't call it terrible. For me Dust is a game that needs a lot of polishing but you can see massive potential. It is much more involved and has much more scope and depth then any other FPS game.
People really need to stop with this "potential" nonsense. Everywhere I the internet, I see DUST bashed for being a very mediocre game that doesn't live up to the hype in any way. Yet, there are always the guys basically saying "Yeah, the game sucks, but I'm gonna give it a 10 out of 10 cuz it has the POTENTIAL to be awesome!".
Yes, I was very excited for the DUST concept, but it's been in dev for what, 5 years? It also has had a basically open beta (buy in with a cheap merc pack for over a year) and the basic mechanics of the game are still mediocre to bad. This doesn't even count the fact that, feature wise, it is about as bare-bones as a FPS can get. If they haven't gotten anywhere close to right by now, it's gonna take another 5 years for them to possibly realize any "potential". CCP has also proven, time and time again, that they are horrible at releasing a barebones feature and later realizing its potential. 99% of the time, it is just left broken or reiterated and reiterated until it is even more broken.
I have the "potential" to win the lottery, but it's more likely I'll drown in a bucket somewhere along the line. The sad part about DUST is, even if it drowns in a bucket, it'll still likely be kept on life support by EVE's profits. It is painful to think how much of EVE's profits have been pissed away on the project already for the extremely mediocre product that officially launched a month ago. |
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