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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:36:00 -
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Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.
So dont come complaining to me saying DIAF EvE will Never be FTP. It is... it has been for a while now.
I personally pay a sub every month and have no intention of stopping this.
but interesting enough i stopped paying for my alts a while ago.
I also have friends who will save up isk every month so that they can buy a plex esentially playing to have for Free or in other terms Free to Play as long as you play it enough to make it free to play.
But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash and let thier game time expire.
This is no fun and it leads to people leaving the game.
What i would like to see is if you do not have an active sub or a plex running you can still log into the game loose ships do market stuff but you cannot TRAIN skill points.
So this way if you need a little exra time ratting to save up for that plex you can but you loose the ability to train skills untill you buy that plex...
what do you gusy think? should we extend the Free to Play Mechanic for EVE?
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
2266
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:39:00 -
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EVE is a subscription game.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Jassmin Joy
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
133
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:42:00 -
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EvE is not free to play, and never has been.
Someone is always paying for the game time, even if it's not you. you buy a months worth of paid game time for an ingame currency but someone out there still paid for the time,
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14669
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:43:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play. GǪexcept that unless someone pays money for it, no-one can play.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Obunagawe
130
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:44:00 -
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Not everyone plays skillpoint-addiction-online.
Most of us.
But not everyone. |
Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
984
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:45:00 -
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Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.
Oh god. |
Zhade Lezte
117
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:48:00 -
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Not going to happen since this literally would make CCP less money.
If you want something close to this then train and sell characters on your third character slot, buy PLEX with the proceeds, and play for rather free on your other two characters. This way CCP gets what they want, you get what you want. |
Velarra
234
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:52:00 -
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So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts? |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 14:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play. GǪexcept that unless someone pays money for it, no-one can play. Quote:What i would like to see is if you do not have an active sub or a plex running you can still log into the game loose ships do market stuff but you cannot TRAIN skill points. That would make it a Free-to-play game, which is a pretty drastic departure from the current subscription-based business model. So how do you propose that they'd make money? Also, you are aware that there was this whole ghost training (training without paying for it) thing a few years back, and that they removed it for a reason, right?
true yes someone already has to buy that plex and sell it on the market and this will not change.
As it stands alsong as i have a plex i can play the game and earn enough isk to buy another.
why not extend this but make it so i cannot train SP untill i either buy a new plex or sub to the game?
People would still be buying plex to either cut the ratting needed for pvp or to activly train sp.
Yeah i know ghost training was removed... but thats a different thing altogether.
one is not playing the game and getting SP. the other is playing the game but not getting Sp.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
984
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:04:00 -
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People would buy less plexes. Why pay for a 200m SP character when I can have 4 50m characters for free who can do a lot more between them than a single character can?
Oh god. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14670
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:04:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.
GǪor, more accurately, Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money.
ed: Or do you mean that this would be the effect of the OP's suggestion? If so, then yes, that's why it's a bad idea.
MeBiatch wrote:why not extend this but make it so i cannot train SP untill i either buy a new plex or sub to the game? You mean the way it already works? The question remains: if you start handing out the service people pay for for free, how do you propose that CCP will make money?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Amanda Chelian
20
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:05:00 -
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Note how many people have multiple accounts with the current business model. Imagine how many would get more accounts if they only had to pay to accumulate SP. Every single player could have like 20 mining accounts if they so wished. |
Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
984
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money.
How would CCP make more money from this?
Oh god. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14671
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:08:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Tippia wrote:Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money. How would CCP make more money from this?
See my edit. At first it sounded like you had misunderstood how PLEX work.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:10:00 -
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Velarra wrote:So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts?
you already have this... its called 2nd and 3rd char on your accounts.
you only pay for one active training accout but are given up to three...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Veterans play for free, CCP loses money. GǪor, more accurately, Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money. ed: Or do you mean that this would be the effect of the OP's suggestion? If so, then yes, that's why it's a bad idea. MeBiatch wrote:why not extend this but make it so i cannot train SP untill i either buy a new plex or sub to the game? You mean the way it already works? The question remains: if you start handing out the service people pay for for free, how do you propose that CCP will make money?
the premis of people wanting to purchase plex to train sp. or lazy people like me who dont want to rat for thier pvp isk.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Riot Girl
Thundercats
The Initiative.
984
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:13:00 -
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I wonder if that super you tackled will hang around for you while you relog to switch to your alt.
Oh god. |
Alphea Abbra
Grim Determination
Nulli Secunda
260
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:15:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Velarra wrote:So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts? you already have this... its called 2nd and 3rd char on your accounts. you only pay for one active training accout but are given up to three... I can't have 9 characters logged in over 3 accounts.
I could have 3 paid accounts and 6 unpaid and do that instead (Although I probably would have 1-2 paid and the rest unpaid).
Cynoalt doesn't need training, but simultaneous login.
Trading alts? Yeah, nice. Boosting alts? Yup yup. PI? Hmm, maybe.
There are probably many more where it's either just as good or much better to have it on an unpaid, untrained account. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
Clockwork Pineapple
1861
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:16:00 -
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game sub = $14.99 USD
PLEX sub = $19.99 USD
its simple, every time you plexsub and destroy a PLEX, CCP makes an extra 5 bucks for a monthly sub.
I can't see how your plan would be more profitable |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14672
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:17:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Velarra wrote:So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts? you already have this... its called 2nd and 3rd char on your accounts. GǪnone of which are free. If they aren't paid for, you no longer have access to them or the abilities and services they provide. You're suggestion that you should have access to them without paying for it.
Quote:the premis of people wanting to purchase plex to train sp. or lazy people like me who dont want to rat for thier pvp isk. You're still giving away a service for free, which means less money for CCP. How do you propose they make up for it?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Lexmana
971
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:30:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:EVE is a subscription game.
This.
It is as simple as that. Also, EVE is not a very good platform for F2P so your idea is dumb. |
Sentamon
1031
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:32:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.
You have no idea what F2P is.
Didn't read the rest.
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:38:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Doc Fury wrote:EVE is a subscription game.
This. It is as simple as that. Also, EVE is not a very good platform for F2P so your idea is dumb.
No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...
People say if you enhanced this feature then ccp looses money... But if people stop playing ccp looses money anyways. So this would reduce the amount of people leaving the game which could increase the amount of plex sold on market...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2718
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:40:00 -
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There is a difference between free to play for in game currency and F2P.
While the end result is the same for some players, it's a completely different mechanic.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14672
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Posted - 2013.06.08 15:42:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago... GǪwhich doesn't change the fact that the game is subscription-based, not F2P.
Quote:People say if you enhanced this feature then ccp looses money... But if people stop playing ccp looses money anyways. GǪbut also have lowered costs since they're not creating and server or bandwidth load.
Quote:So this would reduce the amount of people leaving the game which could increase the amount of plex sold on market. How does a scheme that relies on people using PLEX less cause more PLEX to be sold?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Khalkotauroi Defence Labs
9125
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:14:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:
No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...
Your friend may not be paying for his gametime in hard cash, but somebody else is.
Every plex on the market has been paid for with cash, even the ones CCP injected from their confiscated stash, they don't just magically appear.
I eat your hatred for breakfast, then wash it down with your tears. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1578
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:41:00 -
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Play to Pay isn't the same as Free to Play.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Cat Casidy
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
149
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:57:00 -
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I think the op maybe expects that only people in a crunch would us the "keep playing for free feature" for just long enough to make enough for a plex and everyone else would just be nice enough to pay on time when they're supposed to. Eve Online Honor System Edition.
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:58:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Play to Pay isn't the same as Free to Play.
debateable... its 'semi' free to play.
hell how to sweeten the pot... you make it so if you want to upgrade your clone you have to have an active sub.
the point is to allow players to continue to ammass wealth to buy the next plex so they can continue to play.
having SP gain and the ability to upgrade clones would do this.
arguments against are peopel who say well we get free alts and such... well we got free alts anyways... so its not that big of a difference.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Hybrid tech I ammo boost |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 16:59:00 -
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Cat Casidy wrote:I think the op maybe expects that only people in a crunch would us the "keep playing for free feature" for just long enough to make enough for a plex and everyone else would just be nice enough to pay on time when they're supposed to. Eve Online Honor System Edition.
somewhat yes. there is an assumption that peole like me are addicted to sp gain and will want that back asap.
Edit:
I updated the op to include the loss of ability to upgrade or replace a clone if account is not subbed/plexed. to encourage people to continue to purchase plex.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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