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Arduemont Rotten Legion Ops 1513	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:23:00 - [61] - Quote My vision of a free to play Eve is one where Walking in Stations exists in a finished enough state for people to be able to stay in station and actually have things to do. That way, a PLEX would be required to undock, or train skill points. The ones who didn't pay would rely on the people with pilots licenses to move them around, move their items around, and the rest of it. That might actually make courier contracts more viable. You could look at the free to play players as "non-capsuleers". "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Riot Girl Thundercats The Initiative. 984	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:24:00 - [62] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Tippia wrote: Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free? \ no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason. So your idea to encourage people to play is to punish them for playing? Oh god.
Cat Casidy Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly 149	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:25:00 - [63] - Quote I'm just going to quote myself this time, "You're dumb". .
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1075	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:25:00 - [64] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: MeBiatch wrote: Tippia wrote: Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free? \ no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason. Not for anyone who doesn't need anymore SP or doesn't risk clones. Pretty much this system would be exploited to hell, and will only cause a loss in profits for CCP then any increases. no differnce then using an alt char on an account. though for trading/manufacturing alts... yeah i do see your point. there could be a simular resriction or penilty for every transaction like increase isk sink. or increased time for making stuff.. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1075	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:27:00 - [65] - Quote Cat Casidy wrote: I'm just going to quote myself this time, "You're dumb". i can speak fine. thank you for your concern There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 14674	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:28:00 - [66] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason. If it were, those people would already be playing. So all you're doing is offering players who don't particularly need to keep their characters' training queues active a way to keep playing without paying for it. Your entire idea hinges on attracting people with a service they would get if they subscribed now. If it was that attractive, they'd already be customers. Those who already are customers, on the other hand, are given stuff for free under your service. End result: no reason for the number of paying players to increase + no reason for may existing players to keep paying = less people paying = less money (+ more expenses for CCP). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1075	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:28:00 - [67] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: MeBiatch wrote: Tippia wrote: Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free? \ no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason. So your idea to encourage people to play is to punish them for playing? yes to give them enough time to get isk so they can re-sub There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1578	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:30:00 - [68] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Brooks Puuntai wrote: MeBiatch wrote: Tippia wrote: Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free? \ no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason. Not for anyone who doesn't need anymore SP or doesn't risk clones. Pretty much this system would be exploited to hell, and will only cause a loss in profits for CCP then any increases. no differnce then using an alt char on an account. though for trading/manufacturing alts... yeah i do see your point. there could be a simular resriction or penilty for every transaction like increase isk sink. or increased time for making stuff.. A alt still requires a sub and has limitations. Add in a F2P model and I can have unlimited market alts, spy alts, etc. All of which I could play at the same time since they aren't linked to another account. No matter how much you try and justify your idea and add restrictions, it will still be exploitable and will not be worth it profit wise for CCP. A mix between a F2P and Sub based in a sandbox environment does not work. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1075	Posted - 2013.06.08 18:39:00 - [69] - Quote Tippia wrote: If it were, those people would already be playing. not true at all. i know lots of people who would love to continue to play the game but either. dont have the spare cash to play or b dont have enough time to dedicate to the game to save up for plex. and such both have left the game by providing a way to continue to play but with restrictions... this would encourage people to stay with the game and re sub when a. they got spare cash or b. enough isk saved up for a plex... plus if i am running on ftp time and just got podded i will want to resub asap as to not loose any sp if i die again as i will be stuck in an alpha clone till i can. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 211	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:03:00 - [70] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: My buddy stopped paying to play years ago... If they are just remotely like you, we are probably better off if they don't return.
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1075	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:07:00 - [71] - Quote Karak Terrel wrote: MeBiatch wrote: My buddy stopped paying to play years ago... If they are just remotely like you, we are probably better off if they don't return. nah they are much cooler... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Lugio Bearbottom 2	Posted - 2013.06.08 19:15:00 - [72] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash Sounds like your friends are broke. They have bigger problems than a video game.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 664	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:02:00 - [73] - Quote After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 664	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:04:00 - [74] - Quote Lugio Bearbottom wrote: MeBiatch wrote: But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash Sounds like your friends are broke. They have bigger problems than a video game. The world economy is in the shitter IRL, making fun of people for not having expendable cash is ******* ignorant. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1075	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:10:00 - [75] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away. who said plex keeps people away? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8191	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:14:00 - [76] - Quote I have characters that no longer need any training, but I train alts on those accounts to sell for ISK and put that towards subsidizing the PLEX I need to keep them running. If this happened I'd just leave em unpaid. This really isn't good for the game or for CCP. Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Darvaleth Sigma Progressive State State Section 9 290	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:18:00 - [77] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Veterans play for free, CCP loses money. Where did the PLEX come from? Somebody bought it, but sold it for ISK rather than crediting their account? So has CCP lost money? NO! Very foolish misconception, I'm surprised you play Eve with Brain to level 1 and Thinking only injected. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 665	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:19:00 - [78] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away. who said plex keeps people away? The OP. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha
Riot Girl Thundercats The Initiative. 986	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:19:00 - [79] - Quote Darvaleth Sigma wrote: Riot Girl wrote: Veterans play for free, CCP loses money. Where did the PLEX come from? Somebody bought it, but sold it for ISK rather than crediting their account? So has CCP lost money? NO! Very foolish misconception, I'm surprised you play Eve with Brain to level 1 and Thinking only injected. Okay, sorry. Oh god.
Darvaleth Sigma Progressive State State Section 9 290	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:22:00 - [80] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: Darvaleth Sigma wrote: Riot Girl wrote: Veterans play for free, CCP loses money. Where did the PLEX come from? Somebody bought it, but sold it for ISK rather than crediting their account? So has CCP lost money? NO! Very foolish misconception, I'm surprised you play Eve with Brain to level 1 and Thinking only injected. Okay, sorry. Somebody... somebody accepted their mistake? I take it back. You sir, give me hope for the future of mankind. I'm the fool here, and I hang my head in shame. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Lugio Bearbottom 3	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:23:00 - [81] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Lugio Bearbottom wrote: MeBiatch wrote: But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash Sounds like your friends are broke. They have bigger problems than a video game. The world economy is in the shitter IRL, making fun of people for not having expendable cash is ***** ignorant. The world economy is in the shitter IRL, playing video games while bitching about not having expendable cash is **** stupid.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 2574	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:39:00 - [82] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Lugio Bearbottom wrote: MeBiatch wrote: But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash Sounds like your friends are broke. They have bigger problems than a video game. The world economy is in the shitter IRL, making fun of people for not having expendable cash is ***** ignorant. Hardly. It's just a statement of fact. If you have little to no expendable cash then spending money on video games should be very low on your priority list. Harsh, but true. As for the OP's idea... as others have pointed out there are too many ways to exploit this. Just have accounts for everything including, but not limited to... - spy alts (doesn't require skillpoints)... - cyno scouts (which can be trained in under a month and also won't have to worry about skillpoint loss because it will have less than 900k skillpoints... which is completely covered under the basic free clone service)... - hauler alts (requires less than a month of training... basic versions of these alts won't exceed 900k skillpoints and will be covered by the free clone service)... - market/trading alts (which won't worry about skillpoints or being podded since they always stay in station)... - mining alts (similar to trading alts... but they do undock. Just use Procurers and stay in NPC corps and you won't have to worry about ganks or wars)... The list goes on. This also doesn't take into account that mission runners and high-sec carebears who have just the right amount of skillpoints they need, never participate in PvP (or put themselves at risk in any way), and hide in NPC corps will see no need to pay for their accounts either. They have what they want. They haven't lost a clone in "X" amount of years. Why should they pay more unless they have to (if they get ganked for the first time in months/years)? I see it quite clearly... Under the OP's system PLEX use will initially spike as everyone trains up all their alts... followed by a slow and painful decline in both PLEX use and subs as people get all the necessary SP they need for their new, free to play, alts. Then CCP will introduce Pandas and other ** just to encourage us to pay again. And a [horrible] cycle "boom-bust" sub numbers will begin. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1075	Posted - 2013.06.08 20:43:00 - [83] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: MeBiatch wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away. who said plex keeps people away? The OP. Umm nope... Try to read again... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Xeraphi The Gun Runners 24	Posted - 2013.06.08 21:26:00 - [84] - Quote If your friends are having trouble financially and are unable to plex ingame also, then maybe you could help them stay in the game. Run missions with them when they're on and make them not share their mission rewards while you share yours. Buy their ore at a generous price. Be there for them. Eve may be a cold world but friends can provide a hot meal (and a cold drink) in a comfy station to drive out the chill, together.

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