Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.

GǪexcept that unless someone pays money for it, no-one can play.

That would make it a Free-to-play game, which is a pretty drastic departure from the current subscription-based business model. So how do you propose that they'd make money? Also, you are aware that there was this whole ghost training (training without paying for it) thing a few years back, and that they removed it for a reason, right?

Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.

why not extend this but make it so i cannot train SP untill i either buy a new plex or sub to the game?

Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money.

How would CCP make more money from this?

So free combat alt accounts? Free scouts? Free hauler & Free scanning/probing alts?

GǪor, more accurately, Veterans play without paying for it themselves; CCP makes more money.
ed: Or do you mean that this would be the effect of the OP's suggestion? If so, then yes, that's why it's a bad idea.

You mean the way it already works? The question remains: if you start handing out the service people pay for for free, how do you propose that CCP will make money?

you already have this... its called 2nd and 3rd char on your accounts.

you only pay for one active training accout but are given up to three...

you already have this... its called 2nd and 3rd char on your accounts.

the premis of people wanting to purchase plex to train sp. or lazy people like me who dont want to rat for thier pvp isk.

EVE is a subscription game.

Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play.

This.

It is as simple as that. Also, EVE is not a very good platform for F2P so your idea is dumb.

No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...

People say if you enhanced this feature then ccp looses money... But if people stop playing ccp looses money anyways.

So this would reduce the amount of people leaving the game which could increase the amount of plex sold on market.

No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...

Play to Pay isn't the same as Free to Play.

I think the op maybe expects that only people in a crunch would us the "keep playing for free feature" for just long enough to make enough for a plex and everyone else would just be nice enough to pay on time when they're supposed to. Eve Online Honor System Edition.

No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...

EvE is not free to play, and never has been.
Someone is always paying for the game time, even if it's not you. you buy a months worth of paid game time for an ingame currency but someone out there still paid for the time,

You know most games have players that let someone else paying their bills. It is just that in EVE you don't have to ask your parent to do it you can ask another player instead. But that doesn't make it free to play. Someone still pays your subscription.

F2P is a completely different business model and need games that are built for that purpose. Typically, F2P games need 10-100 times more players for the same revenue as subscription games. How would you think TQ would cope with 4 million players ...??

Also, the gameplay in EVE is built on long term goals and social relationships. It is not like WOT for example where all that is expected of you is to log in whenever and push battle to "enjoy" the game with random kids that generally suck and only focus on their own thing .... EVE needs a bit more dedication from its players.

game sub = $14.99 USD
PLEX sub = $19.99 USD

its simple, every time you plexsub and destroy a PLEX, CCP makes an extra 5 bucks for a monthly sub.

I can't see how your plan would be more profitable

What I'd like to see is a 250mil ISK smaller sized PLEX. $19 version can be too much, but a $9.99 would be nice.

What PLEX was intended for originally has changed to a means to pay for many items, but the amount for it hasn't scaled for the price and it's new purpose.

I see people leaving the game bacause they dotn either A. have RL to support the game. or B. dont have enough time to get the isk to purchase a plex.

free ratting/mining/mission bots

sounds great

The fact you made this thread is proof that EvE is not free to play. If it was, you wouldn't be asking for the changes you're asking for.

Bad idea that can be easily abused. No thanks.

the fact i made this thread is i want to see the ftp mechanics improved but never remove the inherit sub mechanic from the game.

Again, if you want CCP to start giving away services for free, you have to propose some mechanism that lets them make that money back (and then some).

GǪexcept that unless someone pays money for it, no-one can play.

The troll is strong with this one.

more people playing the game means more plex bought = more money for CCP.

you assume that this could decase profit for ccp.

EVE is a subscription game.

GǪbecause there's nothing to suggest that it won't since all you're proposing is that they give away paid-for services for free.

Yup, F2P is where you play for free but you pay for everything with RL $$.

If EVE were F2P you would have to buy the right to fly a BC before you could use the ship.

That is how F2P works, it is not about the free part, it is about the horrible MT market that comes with it.

Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?

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indeed. and that is why eve is somewhat ftp. its ftp in teh sence you dont have to pay a dime to play . its not ftp because someone had to pay 20 bucks for that plex. its a great mechanic and i would like to enhance it.

no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.

no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.

Not for anyone who doesn't need anymore SP or doesn't risk clones. Pretty much this system would be exploited to hell, and will only cause a loss in profits for CCP then any increases.

I'm just going to quote myself this time, "You're dumb".

no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.

So your idea to encourage people to play is to punish them for playing?

no differnce then using an alt char on an account.

though for trading/manufacturing alts... yeah i do see your point.

there could be a simular resriction or penilty for every transaction like increase isk sink. or increased time for making stuff..

If it were, those people would already be playing.

My buddy stopped paying to play years ago...

If they are just remotely like you, we are probably better off if they don't return.

But i have also had friends who cant dedicate that much time to eve and eventually run out of isk and do not have spare cash

Sounds like your friends are broke. They have bigger problems than a video game.

After a long hard struggle Eve has people coming to it. This is verifiable through multiple sources. So complaining that PLEX makes people leave the game is a lost cause when its creating more subs than turning away.

Veterans play for free, CCP loses money.

who said plex keeps people away?

Where did the PLEX come from? Somebody bought it, but sold it for ISK rather than crediting their account? So has CCP lost money?

NO!

Very foolish misconception, I'm surprised you play Eve with Brain to level 1 and Thinking only injected.

Okay, sorry.

The world economy is in the shitter IRL, making fun of people for not having expendable cash is ******* ignorant.

The world economy is in the shitter IRL, making fun of people for not having expendable cash is ******* ignorant.

The OP.