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Cat Casidy
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:10:00 -
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...but...but I was being sarcastic! . |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:15:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago... You know most games have players that let someone else paying their bills. It is just that in EVE you don't have to ask your parent to do it you can ask another player instead. But that doesn't make it free to play. Someone still pays your subscription.
F2P is a completely different business model and need games that are built for that purpose. Typically, F2P games need 10-100 times more players for the same revenue as subscription games. How would you think TQ would cope with 4 million players ...??
Also, the gameplay in EVE is built on long term goals and social relationships. It is not like WOT for example where all that is expected of you is to log in whenever and push battle to "enjoy" the game with random kids that generally suck and only focus on their own thing .... EVE needs a bit more dedication from its players.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Nothing Is True Everything Is Permitted
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:19:00 -
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Jassmin Joy wrote:EvE is not free to play, and never has been. Someone is always paying for the game time, even if it's not you. you buy a months worth of paid game time for an ingame currency but someone out there still paid for the time,
If something is free over an extended period of time it's always likely someone else is paying for it. My free TV channels are paid for by suckers who buy what they advertise. |

Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:20:00 -
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UNLIMITED FREE MINING ALTS.
The bots would rule us all. Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:22:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:MeBiatch wrote:No its not. My buddy stopped paying to play years ago... You know most games have players that let someone else paying their bills. It is just that in EVE you don't have to ask your parent to do it you can ask another player instead. But that doesn't make it free to play. Someone still pays your subscription. F2P is a completely different business model and need games that are built for that purpose. Typically, F2P games need 10-100 times more players for the same revenue as subscription games. How would you think TQ would cope with 4 million players ...?? Also, the gameplay in EVE is built on long term goals and social relationships. It is not like WOT for example where all that is expected of you is to log in whenever and push battle to "enjoy" the game with random kids that generally suck and only focus on their own thing .... EVE needs a bit more dedication from its players.
eve with 4 million subs would be epic. but thankfully that wont be for like 15 years so teh tech will be supported to handle that... imagine jita with 20k in system.
with Plex its an interesting situation.
Yes someone has to actually purchase that plex with rl money to inject it into the game. but no you dont actually have to pay any real life money once that plex is in game.
so yes. eve is sub based. but it also allows the ability for it to be ftp. but not like the ftp models that exist and noor would i want it that way.
i see people leaving the game bacause they dotn either A. have RL to support the game. or B. dont have enough time to get the isk to purchase a plex.
by removing Sp gain and clone replacement but still allowing people to make isk and then purcahse a plex would make it so less people would leave the game and ipso facto increase the amount of plex purcahsed. as demand would go up. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
235
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:24:00 -
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What I'd like to see is a 250mil ISK smaller sized PLEX. $19 version can be too much, but a $9.99 would be nice.
What PLEX was intended for originally has changed to a means to pay for many items, but the amount for it hasn't scaled for the price and it's new purpose. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
950
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:29:00 -
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free ratting/mining/mission bots
sounds great |

Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:31:00 -
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Morganta wrote:game sub = $14.99 USD PLEX sub = $19.99 USD
its simple, every time you plexsub and destroy a PLEX, CCP makes an extra 5 bucks for a monthly sub.
I can't see how your plan would be more profitable
I'd think that most PLEX are bought with promotions, so I am not sure the surcharge truly applies. They probably are roughly equal.
I DO think that PLEX makes CCP more money, but that is mosttly due to PLEX not being used (destroyed, confiscated, lying in the item hangar of inactive accounts). They also sort of function as a loan, CCP gets the money ahead of time. |

Kewso
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:33:00 -
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I haven't logged in for almost 6 months before this expansion but my character stayed active and I never payed a dime...
last time I actually paid for Eve was around 2010.
income from afk mining, afk l4 grinding, exploration and then PI as a passive income and of course research
id log in once a month for a moment to swap skills and if needed buy a few plexes or back then gtc's on forum.
but as far as my cash, i quit paying in 2010 so 2 years of free eve for me the last 6 months which i wasn't even playing :P
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:33:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:What I'd like to see is a 250mil ISK smaller sized PLEX. $19 version can be too much, but a $9.99 would be nice.
What PLEX was intended for originally has changed to a means to pay for many items, but the amount for it hasn't scaled for the price and it's new purpose.
i would also support mini plex. you cant get game time with it but you can tsf it for isk. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:35:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:I see people leaving the game bacause they dotn either A. have RL to support the game. or B. dont have enough time to get the isk to purchase a plex. It sound like a valid argument until you realize that subscription is 11-15 USD/EUR per month. If you are even remotely dedicated to EVE it shouldn't be to hard to prioritise such cost (in my town that equals Gëê a burger and 2 beers a month). |

Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
984
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:35:00 -
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The fact you made this thread is proof that EvE is not free to play. If it was, you wouldn't be asking for the changes you're asking for. Oh god. |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:35:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:free ratting/mining/mission bots
sounds great
vrs the ones you already have on an alt account?
big diffence is if you get podded you have to plex up to upgrade the clone. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:39:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:The fact you made this thread is proof that EvE is not free to play. If it was, you wouldn't be asking for the changes you're asking for.
the fact i made this thread is i want to see the ftp mechanics improved but never remove the inherit sub mechanic from the game. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:40:00 -
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Bad idea that can be easily abused. No thanks. |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:40:00 -
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Freakdevil wrote:Bad idea that can be easily abused. No thanks.
elaberate. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:48:00 -
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i would even add an overview/local tag that indicates if the players is currently protected under PLEX(sub)
something like a green money sign next to thier picture...
it would be a mini profession to suicide gank those people to force them to buy a plex... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

Riot Girl
Thundercats The Initiative.
984
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:52:00 -
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You blew your cover. The trolling was decent up until the green money signs part. Oh god. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:56:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Riot Girl wrote:The fact you made this thread is proof that EvE is not free to play. If it was, you wouldn't be asking for the changes you're asking for. the fact i made this thread is i want to see the ftp mechanics improved but never remove the inherit sub mechanic from the game. There is no F2P mechanic. What you want is introduce one, which can't really work since the game is designed around a completely different and almost entirely incompatible business model.
Again, if you want CCP to start giving away services for free, you have to propose some mechanism that lets them make that money back (and then some). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 17:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Again, if you want CCP to start giving away services for free, you have to propose some mechanism that lets them make that money back (and then some).
more people playing the game means more plex bought = more money for CCP. you assume that this could decase profit for ccp.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

Tarpedo
Incursionista
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Frist off with the way plex works EvE is already Free To Play. GǪexcept that unless someone pays money for it, no-one can play.
Exactly the same principle work for every F2P games. They aren't charities - someone always pay for others, just not directly like it's (primitively) done in EVE.
To OP: there is "ideas" forum with thousands of great and stillborn ideas. |

hellcane
Never Back Down
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:02:00 -
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The troll is strong with this one. |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1578
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:03:00 -
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hellcane wrote:The troll is strong with this one.
Troll or stupidity. Though one could say they go hand in hand. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
14673
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:08:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:more people playing the game means more plex bought = more money for CCP. Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?
Quote:you assume that this could decase profit for ccp. GǪbecause there's nothing to suggest that it won't since all you're proposing is that they give away paid-for services for free.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
30
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:10:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:EVE is a subscription game.
Yup, F2P is where you play for free but you pay for everything with RL $$.
If EVE were F2P you would have to buy the right to fly a BC before you could use the ship.
That is how F2P works, it is not about the free part, it is about the horrible MT market that comes with it.
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:you assume that this could decase profit for ccp. GǪbecause there's nothing to suggest that it won't since all you're proposing is that they give away paid-for services for free.
as an insentive to get enough isk or rl money to re-sub to the game yes.
less people leaving the game mean more fl money for ccp. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:16:00 -
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Xavier Liche wrote:Doc Fury wrote:EVE is a subscription game.
Yup, F2P is where you play for free but you pay for everything with RL $$. If EVE were F2P you would have to buy the right to fly a BC before you could use the ship. That is how F2P works, it is not about the free part, it is about the horrible MT market that comes with it.
indeed. and that is why eve is somewhat ftp. its ftp in teh sence you dont have to pay a dime to play . its not ftp because someone had to pay 20 bucks for that plex. its a great mechanic and i would like to enhance it. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1075
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?
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no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost |

Lexmana
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:22:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Xavier Liche wrote:Doc Fury wrote:EVE is a subscription game.
Yup, F2P is where you play for free but you pay for everything with RL $$. If EVE were F2P you would have to buy the right to fly a BC before you could use the ship. That is how F2P works, it is not about the free part, it is about the horrible MT market that comes with it. indeed. and that is why eve is somewhat ftp. its ftp in teh sence you dont have to pay a dime to play . its not ftp because someone had to pay 20 bucks for that plex. its a great mechanic and i would like to enhance it. By your definition every game is free to play if it is possible to convince someone else to pay your bill. |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1578
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Posted - 2013.06.08 18:22:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:Why would more people play the game? How do you ensure that those who suddenly decide that it's worth paying for now that it's free(?!) outnumber the ones who stop paying for it now that it's free?
\ no sp gain and cant upgrade clone is a compelling reason.
Not for anyone who doesn't need anymore SP or doesn't risk clones. Pretty much this system would be exploited to hell, and will only cause a loss in profits for CCP then any increases.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
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