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Obmila
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:07:00 -
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Recently, our small mining corp was war decc'd by a similar sized rat corp over a mining dispute. Most of our members are 3-6 months old, and bring primarily miners, we are not all that skilled up when it comes to combat. We've fought the best we could, using mainly frigates as that's all we can really afford to loose more than one of.
Initially the corp fighting us was using mostly cruisers and frigates, with the occasional battlecruiser, but recently they've started using just Battleships against us.
Anyone have any tips for a mostly frigate with some cruiser support fleet to take on a couple Battleships?
Thanks in advance for any hints!
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Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:28:00 -
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Cut in close with your frigates and hold a 2-5k orbit on the BS. Youll need 4-5 friggies to take out a BC, 6-7 if you want to be safe taking out a BS. Can be done with less, but youd need to be quick about it.
Use hit and runs to your advantage, warp in. AB/MWD up close, try to kill the weakest target first, then warp out. Do it again. Theyll yell at you a lot, but only because their BS are not as agile and they wish they were. But thats war for you. Do what you can to win.
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:36:00 -
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sent an eve mail to you
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2005.11.11 18:56:00 -
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Crucifiers + Plated Mallers/Ruptures/Thoraxes for the win
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2005.11.11 19:03:00 -
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If the 2 BS work in a team and are well fitted ... you're screwed not even 8 or 9 of you will handle them ...
BTW what BS are we talking about?
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.11.11 19:31:00 -
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Kestrels with tracking disruptor or sensor damps. Orbit close (assuming empire, they won't have smartbombs) and let rip.
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Obmila
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Posted - 2005.11.11 19:34:00 -
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I know one of them was an apocalypse, and there was one other minmitar one for certain. The rat corp got a wee bit annoyed with our killing their cruisers, so they switched to the BSs. We've not enganged them much since as we've been trying to still recover and rebuild a bit. While loosing a dozen frigates to take out 3 cruisers and 4 frigates is a fair trade in my book, we just lack the resources to do it again and again. When they started gate and base camping with battleships, I decided it was time to come here and ask for advice.
Thanks again to all who have responded!
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.11.11 19:39:00 -
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 Originally by: DeadDuck
If the 2 BS work in a team and are well fitted ... you're screwed not even 8 or 9 of you will handle them ...
BTW what BS are we talking about?
You know how much damage 8 or 9 thoraxes can do? The BS wouldn't last 20 seconds.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.11 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
If the 2 BS work in a team and are well fitted ... you're screwed not even 8 or 9 of you will handle them ...
BTW what BS are we talking about?
Hah, not really.
8 frigates, each with guns, MWD, and sensor dampeners, are basically unkillable.
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xOm3gAx
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Posted - 2005.11.11 19:50:00 -
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if its just a few of them they are probably a joke anyway... use small ships to take out their bigger ones it costs them more isk that way ;) A handful of good frig pilots will pwn bc / bs...
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Obmila
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Posted - 2005.11.11 20:24:00 -
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We've been trying to do what we can for certain, but now that they've been camping our main base (why we picked a base without a medical facility I'll never know), we are kinda stuck. Podkilling + no way to reclone + camping is kinda an asshat tactic to use. Pirate or not, they already have more time in-game than us, have better ships than us, and have more people than us. How sitting outside a base all day waiting for people to leave can be fun is beyond me.
Sorry for the rant.
Basically, we have frigates, mostly amarr and some caldari. No thoraxes to the rescue I'm afraid :)
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RedWyvern
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Posted - 2005.11.11 21:13:00 -
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well, since you know what battleships they have I suggest a few Griffins with racial jammers to disrupt their fire, and some blaster incursi or rocket Kestrels to to the damage. Maulus loaded with sensor dampeners will also make their lives miserable ;)
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2005.11.11 21:29:00 -
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mass damps
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2005.11.11 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: DeadDuck
If the 2 BS work in a team and are well fitted ... you're screwed not even 8 or 9 of you will handle them ...
BTW what BS are we talking about?
You know how much damage 8 or 9 thoraxes can do? The BS wouldn't last 20 seconds.
2 BS vs 8 Thorax .... Just imagining 2 Dominix vs 8 Thorax ... the BS's being with close range setup's and full of drones... Hmm I can imagine the Thorax's being beaten ...
But anyway they are talking in frigates...
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2005.11.11 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: DeadDuck
If the 2 BS work in a team and are well fitted ... you're screwed not even 8 or 9 of you will handle them ...
BTW what BS are we talking about?
Hah, not really.
8 frigates, each with guns, MWD, and sensor dampeners, are basically unkillable.
Hmmm NOS them and then kill them one by one with a pair of 2 med pulses it will take time but they will fall one by one ... MWD and NOS dont really mix
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2005.11.11 21:40:00 -
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Better go to the Jammers ... 2 Black Birds with 2 good pilots and a good fit can jam a BS, it can take ages before they have a solid lock ...
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.11.11 21:57:00 -
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Get Merlins/Kestrels, and other good t1 frigs. Setup with rockets/blasters/ACS/etc with short range, high dmg ammo. Warp in and MWD/AB to the target and orbit at atleast 5km if possible (for the rocket kessies), and blaster range for others, and hope to god he doesnt have alot of smartbombs or NOS on.
Don't forget a few WCS too.
If you have cruiser pilots, you can try having the frigs dampen the hell out of the BS/BC, while your long-range cruisers (caracals fitted with Heavies and sensor boosters) open up a few vollys on the BS/BC, who can't target him due to dampeners, an cant warp away from the missiles due to WCS used by the frigs.
...Or you could just use a ton of plated raxes since they're pretty damn deadly with blasters and a cloud of heavy drones(for now).
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Obmila
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Posted - 2005.11.12 17:43:00 -
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Thanks all.
We got lucky and spotted one BS on it's own, at least 2 jumps from any allies. We warped in with a force of about 10 kessies/punishers, and between jamming and NOS managed to take the BS down to hull before the BS logged out.
About 20 minutes later, the BS logged back in, and the 3 of us stubborn enough to stick around managed to take it out.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.11.12 19:45:00 -
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Well, if they are almost always flying cruisers or BS, skip the webber you would normally use and give some thought to std. EW, tracking disruptors, and target painters.
Odds are they will be fitting nos against you, so rockets and AB are a good thing.
Can't wait for the cap injector changes mind you.
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Butane Vein
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Posted - 2005.11.12 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Obmila
Thanks all.
We got lucky and spotted one BS on it's own, at least 2 jumps from any allies. We warped in with a force of about 10 kessies/punishers, and between jamming and NOS managed to take the BS down to hull before the BS logged out.
About 20 minutes later, the BS logged back in, and the 3 of us stubborn enough to stick around managed to take it out.
He logged out, thats pretty sad on his part considering they war dec'd ya. Good job on getting him tho.
Just a heads up, if your always within close range they might try and get crafty using them SmartBombs on ya. It'll squish your ships and pods rather quick.
But sounds like your getting in some good experience and some fun.
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2005.11.12 21:50:00 -
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looks like u need a merc. hire one
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.11.12 21:50:00 -
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- Attacking a smaller less experienced corp = lame
- Camping frigates with battleships = lame (and pointless)
- Logging while losing your battleship welldeserved to frigs = VERY lame
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2005.11.12 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Brastagi on 12/11/2005 23:18:54
Originally by: Obmila
Thanks all.
We got lucky and spotted one BS on it's own, at least 2 jumps from any allies. We warped in with a force of about 10 kessies/punishers, and between jamming and NOS managed to take the BS down to hull before the BS logged out.
About 20 minutes later, the BS logged back in, and the 3 of us stubborn enough to stick around managed to take it out.
*chuckles* Way to show them you that guys aren't a pushover 
Agree with log during battle is very LAME
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.11.12 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 12/11/2005 23:28:35
. double post
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.11.12 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
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8 frigates, each with guns, MWD, and sensor dampeners, are basically unkillable.
Hmmm NOS them and then kill them one by one with a pair of 2 med pulses it will take time but they will fall one by one ... MWD and NOS dont really mix
How do you nos something you cannot lock? Remember the sensor dampers..
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.11.12 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: DeadDuck
If the 2 BS work in a team and are well fitted ... you're screwed not even 8 or 9 of you will handle them ...
BTW what BS are we talking about?
Hah, not really.
8 frigates, each with guns, MWD, and sensor dampeners, are basically unkillable.
Hmmm NOS them and then kill them one by one with a pair of 2 med pulses it will take time but they will fall one by one ... MWD and NOS dont really mix
The skills and numbers are key here; if they can use racial jammers, or alternatively enough dampeners they can make themselves invulnerable to NOS and fire.
Kudos on the battleship kill guys. May it be the first of many.
And by the way, how much did you get from the loot? Because if you do get a thorax and insure it, you may find that the cost to lose it isn't terribly great - being in the position you are in you can easily fund your entire campaign off once-a-week battleship kills. Even a regular T1 gun can sell for a decent amount.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2005.11.13 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ras Blumin on 13/11/2005 00:37:40
Originally by: Wee Dave
And by the way, how much did you get from the loot? Because if you do get a thorax and insure it, you may find that the cost to lose it isn't terribly great - being in the position you are in you can easily fund your entire campaign off once-a-week battleship kills. Even a regular T1 gun can sell for a decent amount.
Yup. 2-4 t1 bs guns should would be worth about the same as an insured t1 fitted thorax.
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Solid Shadow
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Posted - 2005.11.14 04:55:00 -
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cheap no nonsense way to kill bs .. frigs with tracking distuptors .. incursus with blasters do massive damage and are cheap to replace get a few tracking disruptos on a bs or even a cruiser and it wont hit a frig in orbit
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Khristopher
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Posted - 2005.11.14 08:07:00 -
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Awesome thread guys keep us updated. I love the Miner's Strike Back posts. Just because they are smaller in number, experience, and wealth doesn't mean they can't learn fast turn around and smack you up. Grats on the BS kill! 
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2005.11.14 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
2 BS vs 8 Thorax .... Just imagining 2 Dominix vs 8 Thorax ... the BS's being with close range setup's and full of drones... Hmm I can imagine the Thorax's being beaten ...
But anyway they are talking in frigates...
Are you joking? 3/4 Thorax per Dominix... each fitted with blasters, 8 heavies, and a tanked 1600mm plate (4000+ armour HP). The Domi doesnt stand a chance. The thorax is also pretty good at running racial jammers in mid-slots. Bye bye Dominix.
But yeah - going back to topic, you need to co-ordinate your attacks closely, focusing 1 ship at a time.
Use racial jammers where you can, EW is the way to go, though most frigates struggle with the cap to run them for long. A group of frigates can EASILY take out a BS, but don't use MWD when you are close to them, or they will hit you for full damage due to the increase signature radius. You're best off fitting afterburners and circling them at 1km/s.
For added fun, warp scramble whilst you jam. But you'll need to work closely as a team - they will soon leave you alone once they have lost a few BS to swarms of frigates.
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