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Beliar Gray
Alpha Sleepers
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Posted - 2013.06.10 21:59:00 -
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With new aggression mechanics people are allowed to kill pods if they have limited engagement with someone. If the target is in player corp there are no repercussions.
If target is in NPC corp you lose 42.8571% That is equal to neutral standing -> -4.29 for a single pod kill.
While that would be okay if it would be global since you couldn't before... It's not. You only get penalized for killing NPC corp players in legitimate engagements. NPC corp players are already protected versus wardecs, awoxing and thefts.
Question is, why are they also protected versus pod kills by punishing the "offenders"
This mechanics needs to be fixed. NPC corporations are safe enough without any extras like this.
Let me know what you think. |

Beliar Gray
Alpha Sleepers
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Posted - 2013.06.10 22:28:00 -
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Here is a link to picture which shows the issue in question.
http://i.imgur.com/C8ay5RK.png |

Beliar Gray
Alpha Sleepers
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:27:00 -
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Looks like nobody gives a damn. |

Edward Olmops
Sirius Fleet Cerberus Unleashed
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Posted - 2013.06.11 14:39:00 -
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Oh, I do.
You know what? If you podkill an NPC corp player in Factional Warfare, you suffer a whooping -75% standing hit. (managed to do that for 2 FW corps before realizing what is going on).
For you who are unaware of standing mathematics: that is down from 10.0 to -5.0 in a single volley! (and it only takes capturing like 4763 plexes to get the standing back up).
And of course we talk about a legitimate engagement: shoot the enemy militia!
So responding to the original question: YEAH IT SUCKS! (in FW even more - before I podkill hoping to kill a billion ISK pod and get some 100k LP, I really have to check whether the hopefully tackled pod is in an NPC corp -.-)
+1 for the idea to fix this.
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
80
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Posted - 2013.06.12 08:46:00 -
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all this is weird.
with my main, who is a pirate, i do pod a LOT of ppl in lowsec, from any corp including NPC ones.
i remained around -10 for a while, but recently, i'm going up again, but i STILL kill pods
never saw such a big SS hit for a pod, -10% is the biggest i had from memory
now if you do pod em in highsec.......well....suffer the consequences, podding is NOT legal under ANY circumstance in high sec, except for solid reds (-5 and below) or wt in regards of concord.
as for FW, you can freely kill their ships, not their pods it seems, this imao is wrong you are supposed to be at war so podkills should be allowed
for duels, think it work as intended, kill his ship, but if you pod him => consequence |

UKBigWolf
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Posted - 2013.06.12 08:55:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote: now if you do pod em in highsec.......well....suffer the consequences, podding is NOT legal under ANY circumstance in high sec, except for solid reds (-5 and below) or wt in regards of concord.
The aggression mechanics now allow you to pod anyone you have a limited engagement with, without concord showing up And I think this also means you can gank someone and then kill their pod without further sec. status loss (because you've now killed them with a limited engagement flag) - though not 100% sure, not attempted it tbf |

Edward Olmops
Sirius Fleet Cerberus Unleashed
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Posted - 2013.06.12 09:57:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote:all this is weird.
with my main, who is a pirate, i do pod a LOT of ppl in lowsec, from any corp including NPC ones.
i remained around -10 for a while, but recently, i'm going up again, but i STILL kill pods
never saw such a big SS hit for a pod, -10% is the biggest i had from memory
We are NOT discussing Security Status here, this is about Standings. Security Status is ofc no problem in legitimate engagements - you won't lose any.
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Beliar Gray
Alpha Sleepers
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Posted - 2013.06.12 12:01:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote: for duels, think it work as intended, kill his ship, but if you pod him => consequence
No consequence if you pod player corp character. Their corporations don't matter.
The mechanic where system punishes you for podding NPC corporation players is as stupid as it gets.
Why do you encourage people to stay in NPC corp CCP? |

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:22:00 -
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Anything we do in Eve comes with consequenses wheter its good or bad, now i can understand taking a big standing hit isent fun, but you have a choise, you dont need to pod, its your choise, and you take the hit... as for the reason its a NPC corp player, well in some cases that standing hit might be "nicer", then pissing off a player in a powerfull corp, lets asume you podded Sir Chribba or Mitten in the Goons, you sure that standing hit is worse then being hunted and targetted all the time you undock, if they choose to go after you ?
Main thing is, there need to be a consequense, going after people in npc corps thats generally not into PvP shouldent be a get out of trouble free card, and as long as we have the standing system, those pilots are employed by corps belonging to the four empires, dont pod them, if you dont want the hit, simple as that ! or suggest a new better system that gives a equal consequence
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Edward Olmops
Sirius Fleet Cerberus Unleashed
62
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Posted - 2013.06.12 13:56:00 -
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Fey Ivory wrote: Main thing is, there need to be a consequense, going after people in npc corps thats generally not into PvP shouldent be a get out of trouble free card, and as long as we have the standing system, those pilots are employed by corps belonging to the four empires, dont pod them, if you dont want the hit, simple as that ! or suggest a new better system that gives a equal consequence
So you think podding someone in the enemy FW militia NPC corp deserves a -75% standing hit while podding someone in a player corp does nothing?
Btw, if I would have KNOWN this before, I would have tried not to pod anyone, but it is documented nowhere. And that some podkills are fine and others aren't - that is just silly.
Besides, I don't understand the politics of these FW NPC corps... kill all our ships, you're welcome, that is fine for us - but if you kill a single pod, we will hate you for EVER EVER EVER?!?!? |

Beliar Gray
Alpha Sleepers
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Posted - 2013.06.12 19:56:00 -
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Edward obviously understands what I'm saying =D |

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.12 21:34:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote:Fey Ivory wrote: Main thing is, there need to be a consequense, going after people in npc corps thats generally not into PvP shouldent be a get out of trouble free card, and as long as we have the standing system, those pilots are employed by corps belonging to the four empires, dont pod them, if you dont want the hit, simple as that ! or suggest a new better system that gives a equal consequence
So you think podding someone in the enemy FW militia NPC corp deserves a -75% standing hit while podding someone in a player corp does nothing? Btw, if I would have KNOWN this before, I would have tried not to pod anyone, but it is documented nowhere. And that some podkills are fine and others aren't - that is just silly. Besides, I don't understand the politics of these FW NPC corps... kill all our ships, you're welcome, that is fine for us - but if you kill a single pod, we will hate you for EVER EVER EVER?!?!?
Ewen wars have rules, i cant say i am exactly know the on that have been in our human history, but for example, shooting a jumping pilot in parachute was considered very bad in WW2, when you sank a ship, you were obliged to pick up surivors etc... sure this is Eve, but Eve do try to have a alive world, where your actions matter, im not going to say if its to much of a hit or to little, but shooting a pod from a ship you already defeated, feels like a action that would be looked badly upon.
To some extent, if Podding is a crime, and you do it while fighting for lets say the Galante in the FW, not only loose standing with the corp pilot you pod, but with Gallante as well, since your doing a criminal action enlisted by Gallante |

Beliar Gray
Alpha Sleepers
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Posted - 2013.06.12 22:24:00 -
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Fey Ivory wrote: To some extent, if Podding is a crime, and you do it while fighting for lets say the Galante in the FW, not only loose standing with the corp pilot you pod, but with Gallante as well, since your doing a criminal action enlisted by Gallante
Okay you are trolling...
I hope for your sake you aren't this stupid. |

Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:55:00 -
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Bump
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Rengerel en Distel
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:02:00 -
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Anyone actually go through the trouble of bug reporting this? It's great to post it on the forums, but without a bug report, it's not likely to get looked at.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:15:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Anyone actually go through the trouble of bug reporting this? It's great to post it on the forums, but without a bug report, it's not likely to get looked at.
It's not a bug. It's a *feature*.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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RoAnnon
Strategic Acquisitions Group Tactical Research Lab
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:34:00 -
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You pod a member of an NPC corp and your standings with that corp drop? What's the issue? Seems pretty reasonable to me. Not sure how you can compare that with a PC run/owned corp, since those are actual players who get to make up their own mind how they feel about you. So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |

Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:07:00 -
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Edward Olmops wrote:So you think podding someone in the enemy FW militia NPC corp deserves a -75% standing hit while podding someone in a player corp does nothing?
But you can go from +10.00 to -10.00 if they so decide. |

Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:26:00 -
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Tobias Hareka wrote:Edward Olmops wrote:So you think podding someone in the enemy FW militia NPC corp deserves a -75% standing hit while podding someone in a player corp does nothing? But you can go from +10.00 to -10.00 if they so decide. But it has ZERO impact on you while NPC corporations own stations that make repairs and trading more expensive.
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Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:26:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Tobias Hareka wrote:Edward Olmops wrote:So you think podding someone in the enemy FW militia NPC corp deserves a -75% standing hit while podding someone in a player corp does nothing? But you can go from +10.00 to -10.00 if they so decide. But it has ZERO impact on you while NPC corporations own stations that make repairs and trading more expensive.
Grinding standing back to 6,67 or higher is easy with NPC corp. You can't grind your standing up with player corp. |

Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:01:00 -
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Tobias Hareka wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:Tobias Hareka wrote:Edward Olmops wrote:So you think podding someone in the enemy FW militia NPC corp deserves a -75% standing hit while podding someone in a player corp does nothing? But you can go from +10.00 to -10.00 if they so decide. But it has ZERO impact on you while NPC corporations own stations that make repairs and trading more expensive. Grinding standing back to 6,67 or higher is easy with NPC corp. You can't grind your standing up with player corp. Player corps don't matter.
Why are you trying so hard to be dense.
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Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.04 11:33:00 -
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Bump
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Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.05 15:13:00 -
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Bump
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Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:30:00 -
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Raising awareness. 
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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
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Posted - 2013.07.06 18:20:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Raising awareness.  Of what? This guy gave you the answer:
RoAnnon wrote:You pod a member of an NPC corp and your standings with that corp drop? What's the issue? Seems pretty reasonable to me. Not sure how you can compare that with a PC run/owned corp, since those are actual players who get to make up their own mind how they feel about you.
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Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:11:00 -
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I obviously can't hope to get the information across to you since you aren't even trying to understand what I'm implying.
It's not about the answer, it's about the fact that this is a new mechanic that wasn't included in any of the patchnotes and the punishment that makes people favor NPC corporations beyond the part where you can't be wardecced by a player corporation.
There is no answer that justifies privilege of NPC corp that additionally punishes those who legally kill people in limited engagments only because they are in NPC corp, no warnings displayed no information given.
Trial and error in your case.
That kind of awareness, after reading this you don't need to lose NPC corp standings without knowing why the hell that happened.
It's not suicide ganking it's limited engagement.
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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
118
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Posted - 2013.07.06 19:27:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:It's not about the answer, it's about the fact that this is a new mechanic that wasn't included in any of the patchnotes That's a legitimate gripe I guess.
Arya Regnar wrote:There is no answer that justifies privilege of NPC corp that additionally punishes those who legally kill people in limited engagments only because they are in NPC corp, no warnings displayed no information given.
Trial and error in your case. "Legally" just means CONCORD won't intervene. Do you get a standings hit on the ship kill, or just the pod kill? As far as I know, CCP has never encouraged pod killing in high sec. You can do it without CONCORD intervention under certain circumstances, but that doesn't mean there won't be other consequences. If you do it to a player in a player corporation, you'll earn that corporation's ire. If the player is in an NPC corporation, that's simulated by standings. Seems pretty reasonable (though yes, it probably should have been mentioned in patch notes if that's a substantial change from previous mechanics). |

Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:34:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:It's not about the answer, it's about the fact that this is a new mechanic that wasn't included in any of the patchnotes That's a legitimate gripe I guess. Arya Regnar wrote:There is no answer that justifies privilege of NPC corp that additionally punishes those who legally kill people in limited engagments only because they are in NPC corp, no warnings displayed no information given.
Trial and error in your case. "Legally" just means CONCORD won't intervene. Do you get a standings hit on the ship kill, or just the pod kill? As far as I know, CCP has never encouraged pod killing in high sec. You can do it without CONCORD intervention under certain circumstances, but that doesn't mean there won't be other consequences. If you do it to a player in a player corporation, you'll earn that corporation's ire. If the player is in an NPC corporation, that's simulated by standings. Seems pretty reasonable (though yes, it probably should have been mentioned in patch notes if that's a substantial change from previous mechanics).
Only player corporations don't own indestructible stations that never change ownership.
If I earn some player corps ire I will burn that corp to the ground. NPC corps are a different matter.
Go be a devils advocate somewhere else carebear.
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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
118
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:39:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Only player corporations don't own indestructible stations that never change ownership.
If I earn some player corps ire I will burn that corp to the ground. NPC corps are a different matter.
Go be a devils advocate somewhere else carebear. Hint: If you want to be taken seriously, engaging your critics goes a lot farther than namecalling. |

Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:07:00 -
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Zor'katar wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:Only player corporations don't own indestructible stations that never change ownership.
If I earn some player corps ire I will burn that corp to the ground. NPC corps are a different matter.
Go be a devils advocate somewhere else carebear. Hint: If you want to be taken seriously, engaging your critics goes a lot farther than namecalling.
Hint: I know carebears are going to list 100 reasons why killers should be punished and why eve should be more like hello kitty online.
It's about sending a message.
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