now if you do pod em in highsec.......well....suffer the consequences, podding is NOT legal under ANY circumstance in high sec, except for solid reds (-5 and below) or wt in regards of concord.

all this is weird.

with my main, who is a pirate, i do pod a LOT of ppl in lowsec, from any corp including NPC ones.

i remained around -10 for a while, but recently, i'm going up again, but i STILL kill pods

never saw such a big SS hit for a pod, -10% is the biggest i had from memory

for duels, think it work as intended, kill his ship, but if you pod him => consequence

Main thing is, there need to be a consequense, going after people in npc corps thats generally not into PvP shouldent be a get out of trouble free card, and as long as we have the standing system, those pilots are employed by corps belonging to the four empires, dont pod them, if you dont want the hit, simple as that ! or suggest a new better system that gives a equal consequence

So you think podding someone in the enemy FW militia NPC corp deserves a -75% standing hit while podding someone in a player corp does nothing?

Btw, if I would have KNOWN this before, I would have tried not to pod anyone, but it is documented nowhere.
And that some podkills are fine and others aren't - that is just silly.

Besides, I don't understand the politics of these FW NPC corps... kill all our ships, you're welcome, that is fine for us - but if you kill a single pod, we will hate you for EVER EVER EVER?!?!?

To some extent, if Podding is a crime, and you do it while fighting for lets say the Galante in the FW, not only loose standing with the corp pilot you pod, but with Gallante as well, since your doing a criminal action enlisted by Gallante

Anyone actually go through the trouble of bug reporting this? It's great to post it on the forums, but without a bug report, it's not likely to get looked at.

So you think podding someone in the enemy FW militia NPC corp deserves a -75% standing hit while podding someone in a player corp does nothing?

But you can go from +10.00 to -10.00 if they so decide.

But it has ZERO impact on you while NPC corporations own stations that make repairs and trading more expensive.

Grinding standing back to 6,67 or higher is easy with NPC corp. You can't grind your standing up with player corp.

Raising awareness.

You pod a member of an NPC corp and your standings with that corp drop? What's the issue? Seems pretty reasonable to me. Not sure how you can compare that with a PC run/owned corp, since those are actual players who get to make up their own mind how they feel about you.

It's not about the answer, it's about the fact that this is a new mechanic that wasn't included in any of the patchnotes

There is no answer that justifies privilege of NPC corp that additionally punishes those who legally kill people in limited engagments only because they are in NPC corp, no warnings displayed no information given.

Trial and error in your case.

That's a legitimate gripe I guess.


"Legally" just means CONCORD won't intervene. Do you get a standings hit on the ship kill, or just the pod kill? As far as I know, CCP has never encouraged pod killing in high sec. You can do it without CONCORD intervention under certain circumstances, but that doesn't mean there won't be other consequences. If you do it to a player in a player corporation, you'll earn that corporation's ire. If the player is in an NPC corporation, that's simulated by standings. Seems pretty reasonable (though yes, it probably should have been mentioned in patch notes if that's a substantial change from previous mechanics).

Only player corporations don't own indestructible stations that never change ownership.

If I earn some player corps ire I will burn that corp to the ground. NPC corps are a different matter.

Go be a devils advocate somewhere else carebear.

Hint: If you want to be taken seriously, engaging your critics goes a lot farther than namecalling.

Hint: I know carebears are going to list 100 reasons why killers should be punished and why eve should be more like hello kitty online.

It's about sending a message.

Funny thing is, no one's done that.


This is a thread about consequences of podkilling in highsec. If you want to discuss that, great. If you just want to use it as an opportunity to rehash the "NPC corps are too easy" argument, dredge up one of the dozens of other threads about that.

Anything we do in Eve comes with consequenses wheter its good or bad, now i can understand taking a big standing hit isent fun, but you have a choise, you dont need to pod, its your choise, and you take the hit... as for the reason its a NPC corp player, well in some cases that standing hit might be "nicer", then pissing off a player in a powerfull corp, lets asume you podded Sir Chribba or Mitten in the Goons, you sure that standing hit is worse then being hunted and targetted all the time you undock, if they choose to go after you ?

Main thing is, there need to be a consequense, going after people in npc corps thats generally not into PvP shouldent be a get out of trouble free card, and as long as we have the standing system, those pilots are employed by corps belonging to the four empires, dont pod them, if you dont want the hit, simple as that ! or suggest a new better system that gives a equal consequence

Not about highsec buster.
Lowsec shares the same consequence.

http://imgur.com/N7SnO9l
http://imgur.com/D5Fa9eT

it's not just pod kills that cause npc and starter corp standing hits and hell it happened to me back in 2010 and neither target was in faction warfare.

the pod was infact a courier mission bot that came into low sec.

also a rhea i helped the alliance kill caused a npc corp standing hit.

it didnt hurt me but i can see how this is annoying the sec hit + a huge standing hit if i had spent enough time in low i have what ever the max tax is at refining/trading in high and low sec stations.

in the long run lagit engagement or gank it is gonna hurt if u kill enough pods cause seriously who checks to see if their in a npc corp or not ?

i dont mind a penalty for pod killing but dont make it so i have to go broke to refine/sell/repair not to mention what was mentioned earlyer Encouraging players to hide in npc corps

it's not just pod kills that cause npc and starter corp standing hits and hell it happened to me back in 2010 and neither target was in faction warfare.

in the long run lagit engagement or gank it is gonna hurt if u kill enough pods cause seriously who checks to see if their in a npc corp or not ?

Can anyone confirm that ship kills are giving NPC standings hits these days? If so, I guess I agree that's a little lame.


Eh, for pods I don't have a lot of sympathy. Honestly, I think pod killing in general (outside null/WH) should have more consequences. It should really mean something to pod someone... an act of sacrifice to say "screw you" to someone who's really pissed you off. As it is, podding has become such standard procedure that it's just an impersonal flash of epeen.

Whats wrong about podding really... if you get podded in highsec or lowsec you deserve it, no ship can lock you in time if you aren't an idiot unless they use 2 large smartbombs and so far that has never happened to me.

If you fly expensive pod and you die in it you had it coming for being such a slowpoke, there is no need for additional penalties when the whole fight was twosided and the guy practically let you pod him.

Am I supposed to let him go?

I kill what I can.

And that's your choice. I'm certainly not saying podding should be disallowed, but as is the mantra in Eve, actions have consequences. You have nothing in particular to gain from podding someone, so you have a choice: do it and accept the possible standing loss, or don't. The choice is meaningless if there are no consequences.

You mean like the choice of having expensive pod and being slow about getting the f out of where your ship just exploded?

i dont mind a penalty for pod killing but dont make it so i have to go broke to refine/sell/repair not to mention what was mentioned earlyer Encouraging players to hide in npc corps

Says the Caldari Provisions player. If you don't [expletive deleted] like it, don't [expletive deleted] pod anyone. No one is making you. If I ran a player corp and you podded one of my dudes, you would go straight to -10. No questions asked. If you shoot a corp or faction's NPCs, you lose standing with them. Why shouldn't it work the same for not only de-shipping, but pod killing one of their capsuleers?

If you do bad things to people, people stop liking you, and start to impose negative consequences on you. Don't you get it?

Sorry for not holding a grudge against a random player that podded me when he could, I'd have done the same.

No I don't really get it.

With new aggression mechanics people are allowed to kill pods if they have limited engagement with someone.
If the target is in player corp there are no repercussions.

If target is in NPC corp you lose 42.8571%
That is equal to neutral standing -> -4.29 for a single pod kill.

While that would be okay if it would be global since you couldn't before... It's not. It only applies to NPC corps.
You only get penalized for killing NPC corp players in legitimate engagements. NPC corp players are already protected versus wardecs, awoxing and thefts.

Question is, why are they also protected versus pod kills by punishing the "offenders"

This mechanics needs to be fixed. NPC corporations are safe enough without any extras like this.

Let me know what you think.

Since you asked what I think:

I think a pod-kill in eve is about as close as you can get to committing an atrocity or war crime (yes, I do it myself, but in wormhole space where there are no inconvenient record-keepers).

I think it's reasonable that the friends and allies of someone against whom you committed an atrocity will be upset and demand that their corporation marks you out for special attention.

They certainly aren't going to want you turning up and asking for work!

So a standings loss with an NPC corp of which you have smeared the body one of their valued members across the stars seems to me to be the very least of sanctions.

If I were running that NPC corp I think I'd wardec you, your corp, your wife, children and the next 5 generations of your family.

Okay back to the logic of NPC corp gives bad standings because player corps would too.

Why don't NPC corps give bad standings for nullsec and WH space if they are so damn self sentient hiveminds.

I call bs.

With new aggression mechanics people are allowed to kill pods if they have limited engagement with someone.
If the target is in player corp there are no repercussions.

If target is in NPC corp you lose 42.8571%
That is equal to neutral standing -> -4.29 for a single pod kill.

While that would be okay if it would be global since you couldn't before... It's not. It only applies to NPC corps.
You only get penalized for killing NPC corp players in legitimate engagements. NPC corp players are already protected versus wardecs, awoxing and thefts.

Question is, why are they also protected versus pod kills by punishing the "offenders"

This mechanics needs to be fixed. NPC corporations are safe enough without any extras like this.

Let me know what you think.

I think it's reasonable that the friends and allies of someone against whom you committed an atrocity will be upset and demand that their corporation marks you out for special attention.

Who the **** cares about NPC corp standings?

You'll get into one whenever you want if that's what you want, no matter what standings you have.

Common sense says if you shoot someone then you should expect their corp to like you less. Just because concord (one entity) is ok with you killing someone doesn't mean the corp the player is in (another entity entirely) is going to be ok with it. Also so what if you're in FW and the enemy corp doesn't like you? You planning on switching sides or something? You're at war, don't like it then make peace... The only reason this is even being brought up is because pod killing outside war decs can now possibly be ok with concord however that doesn't meant The Scope has to be ok with or any other npc corp, I also don't remember any npc corp only accepting "law abiding" pilots (or refusing "law abiding" pilots for that matter) so apparently they have different views than concord on who it is and isn't ok to shoot at. This is normal and frankly in line with how a player corp would interact. If you want to live in npc controlled space then you should be nice to the corps/factions in control, just like if you lived in player controlled space.

You pod a member of an NPC corp and your standings with that corp drop? What's the issue? Seems pretty reasonable to me. Not sure how you can compare that with a PC run/owned corp, since those are actual players who get to make up their own mind how they feel about you.

Ok I podded around 100 guys in player corporations in highsec, some of them set standings towards me to -10, I also received threats of payback, insults and general asshatry.

NOTHING happened, standings were bad but players that I podded never came at me for it.
I have been in a player corp so they could wardec me but that didn't happen.

So why do I get punished when I pod a guy in NPC corp... Much less... Why do I get standings hit only in highsec and lowsec?

It's not the lore and even if it was a lore thing you have to have at least limited engagement of sorts to be able to pod someone with sec hit, meaning that fight is mutual and not one sided.

Gameplay wise there is no need for this **** and it would be better that all limited engagement or suspect flag where you pod someone incurs a small sec loss instead of NPC corp hit which are next to impossible to repair.

People whine about too many players in NPC corporations that you can't wardec.

This extra podding deterrent that only ever applies to them is additional reason for them to stay in NPC corporations.

Eve is a game with consequences but consequences should make sense and be more player based than to have some system preventing us from being bad to others instead. Player controlled environment is what defines a true sandbox.

So what if you spent weeks if not months grinding up to +8 standings with a corp so you can install jumpclones only to have it instantly dropped to -1 because of 1 time a duel opponent didn't warp his pod off? Bearing in mind there is absoluetely no documentation or warning system for this in place... Would you still ask "What's the issue?"?

so +9.9 to -2.15 for one podkill of a suspect is ok?

i didnt see any prior warning of this incredible standing loss either

This has been true for several years now, just because you just starting killing people in npc corps doesn't mean the mechanic hasnt been here all along.

And just because it's been there all along doesn't mean it's a good mechanic, particularly in a 'legal' podkilling.

Sorry for not holding a grudge against a random player that podded me when he could, I'd have done the same.

No I don't really get it.