Hint: I know carebears are going to list 100 reasons why killers should be punished and why eve should be more like hello kitty online.

It's about sending a message.

Funny thing is, no one's done that.


This is a thread about consequences of podkilling in highsec. If you want to discuss that, great. If you just want to use it as an opportunity to rehash the "NPC corps are too easy" argument, dredge up one of the dozens of other threads about that.

Anything we do in Eve comes with consequenses wheter its good or bad, now i can understand taking a big standing hit isent fun, but you have a choise, you dont need to pod, its your choise, and you take the hit... as for the reason its a NPC corp player, well in some cases that standing hit might be "nicer", then pissing off a player in a powerfull corp, lets asume you podded Sir Chribba or Mitten in the Goons, you sure that standing hit is worse then being hunted and targetted all the time you undock, if they choose to go after you ?

Main thing is, there need to be a consequense, going after people in npc corps thats generally not into PvP shouldent be a get out of trouble free card, and as long as we have the standing system, those pilots are employed by corps belonging to the four empires, dont pod them, if you dont want the hit, simple as that ! or suggest a new better system that gives a equal consequence

Not about highsec buster.
Lowsec shares the same consequence.

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it's not just pod kills that cause npc and starter corp standing hits and hell it happened to me back in 2010 and neither target was in faction warfare.

the pod was infact a courier mission bot that came into low sec.

also a rhea i helped the alliance kill caused a npc corp standing hit.

it didnt hurt me but i can see how this is annoying the sec hit + a huge standing hit if i had spent enough time in low i have what ever the max tax is at refining/trading in high and low sec stations.

in the long run lagit engagement or gank it is gonna hurt if u kill enough pods cause seriously who checks to see if their in a npc corp or not ?

i dont mind a penalty for pod killing but dont make it so i have to go broke to refine/sell/repair not to mention what was mentioned earlyer Encouraging players to hide in npc corps

it's not just pod kills that cause npc and starter corp standing hits and hell it happened to me back in 2010 and neither target was in faction warfare.

in the long run lagit engagement or gank it is gonna hurt if u kill enough pods cause seriously who checks to see if their in a npc corp or not ?

Can anyone confirm that ship kills are giving NPC standings hits these days? If so, I guess I agree that's a little lame.


Eh, for pods I don't have a lot of sympathy. Honestly, I think pod killing in general (outside null/WH) should have more consequences. It should really mean something to pod someone... an act of sacrifice to say "screw you" to someone who's really pissed you off. As it is, podding has become such standard procedure that it's just an impersonal flash of epeen.

Whats wrong about podding really... if you get podded in highsec or lowsec you deserve it, no ship can lock you in time if you aren't an idiot unless they use 2 large smartbombs and so far that has never happened to me.

If you fly expensive pod and you die in it you had it coming for being such a slowpoke, there is no need for additional penalties when the whole fight was twosided and the guy practically let you pod him.

Am I supposed to let him go?

I kill what I can.

And that's your choice. I'm certainly not saying podding should be disallowed, but as is the mantra in Eve, actions have consequences. You have nothing in particular to gain from podding someone, so you have a choice: do it and accept the possible standing loss, or don't. The choice is meaningless if there are no consequences.

You mean like the choice of having expensive pod and being slow about getting the f out of where your ship just exploded?

i dont mind a penalty for pod killing but dont make it so i have to go broke to refine/sell/repair not to mention what was mentioned earlyer Encouraging players to hide in npc corps

Says the Caldari Provisions player. If you don't [expletive deleted] like it, don't [expletive deleted] pod anyone. No one is making you. If I ran a player corp and you podded one of my dudes, you would go straight to -10. No questions asked. If you shoot a corp or faction's NPCs, you lose standing with them. Why shouldn't it work the same for not only de-shipping, but pod killing one of their capsuleers?

If you do bad things to people, people stop liking you, and start to impose negative consequences on you. Don't you get it?

Sorry for not holding a grudge against a random player that podded me when he could, I'd have done the same.

No I don't really get it.

With new aggression mechanics people are allowed to kill pods if they have limited engagement with someone.
If the target is in player corp there are no repercussions.

If target is in NPC corp you lose 42.8571%
That is equal to neutral standing -> -4.29 for a single pod kill.

While that would be okay if it would be global since you couldn't before... It's not. It only applies to NPC corps.
You only get penalized for killing NPC corp players in legitimate engagements. NPC corp players are already protected versus wardecs, awoxing and thefts.

Question is, why are they also protected versus pod kills by punishing the "offenders"

This mechanics needs to be fixed. NPC corporations are safe enough without any extras like this.

Let me know what you think.

Since you asked what I think:

I think a pod-kill in eve is about as close as you can get to committing an atrocity or war crime (yes, I do it myself, but in wormhole space where there are no inconvenient record-keepers).

I think it's reasonable that the friends and allies of someone against whom you committed an atrocity will be upset and demand that their corporation marks you out for special attention.

They certainly aren't going to want you turning up and asking for work!

So a standings loss with an NPC corp of which you have smeared the body one of their valued members across the stars seems to me to be the very least of sanctions.

If I were running that NPC corp I think I'd wardec you, your corp, your wife, children and the next 5 generations of your family.

Okay back to the logic of NPC corp gives bad standings because player corps would too.

Why don't NPC corps give bad standings for nullsec and WH space if they are so damn self sentient hiveminds.

I call bs.

With new aggression mechanics people are allowed to kill pods if they have limited engagement with someone.
If the target is in player corp there are no repercussions.

If target is in NPC corp you lose 42.8571%
That is equal to neutral standing -> -4.29 for a single pod kill.

While that would be okay if it would be global since you couldn't before... It's not. It only applies to NPC corps.
You only get penalized for killing NPC corp players in legitimate engagements. NPC corp players are already protected versus wardecs, awoxing and thefts.

Question is, why are they also protected versus pod kills by punishing the "offenders"

This mechanics needs to be fixed. NPC corporations are safe enough without any extras like this.

Let me know what you think.

I think it's reasonable that the friends and allies of someone against whom you committed an atrocity will be upset and demand that their corporation marks you out for special attention.

Who the **** cares about NPC corp standings?

You'll get into one whenever you want if that's what you want, no matter what standings you have.