you didnt say but you implied by referring to "more explorers" because cherrypicking is what explorers actually do, everything else is waste of time and supporting local competition.

I'm saying it's a bad idea because local competition is actually good for your wallet provided everyone (or most) finish the sites.

Let's say I'm running sites around Harbleblarg and someone else is running sites near Hurfledurf. If we both just cherry pick, both of us only end up with cherry picked sites. If we both finish our sites, new sites will be spawning for both of us, thus increasing our income.

It works just fine.

edit: I think this is a great example of the Prisoner's Dilemma playing out in a game. Everyone finishing all the sites and making sure they respawn is like the prisoners refusing to testifiy. You give up on the best result for yourself (cherry picking/testifying and going free) for a fairly acceptable result for everyone. But you can't trust the other people to not be greedy so you decide to beat them to it instead of being the sacrificial lamb, but then everyone ends up in a bad spot (worthless sites littering space/both prisoners in jail for the longer sentence term). But in EVE it's a decision that is made with every site you run, so most people probably try to average out their decisions depending on what's in the site and how many fresh sites they've been finding.

CCP Prime just submitted a fix for this problem. Sites will despawn a reasonable amount of time after the first can is hacked.

The unintentional "prisoners dilemma" in this case is interesting but the despawning mechanic is not easy to understand from within the game so it doesn't really work.

CCP Prime just submitted a fix for this problem. Sites will despawn a reasonable amount of time after the first can is hacked.

The unintentional "prisoners dilemma" in this case is interesting but the despawning mechanic is not easy to understand from within the game so it doesn't really work.

Hi all,

We are looking into this issue where players are encountering half finished/cherry picked sites.

This has occurred due to the original despawning mechanics of the sites pre-Odyssey and the vast increase in general exploration, so we have made a temporary fix to this which results in the sites remaining until all containers are opened or destroyed.

Obviously we feel that this is detrimental to the overall Exploration feature and are currently in talks about how to best alleviate this issue.

But for now, rest assured that we will be looking into resolving this to give you the best exploration experience we can before larger iterations occur further down the line.

CCP RedDawn

CCP Prime just submitted a fix for this problem. Sites will despawn a reasonable amount of time after the first can is hacked.

The unintentional "prisoners dilemma" in this case is interesting but the despawning mechanic is not easy to understand from within the game so it doesn't really work.

Any update on when we can expect the fix?
The whole experience is utterly broken as it is now.

Still no fix even after today's patch.
I don't understand you CCP.

Unless you're trying to deter people from exploring....

Yes I do find it odd as well that it has taken more than 4 days for the fix to be implemented. However, I can say I am enjoying my break away from expo.

I hope this is not so that sites get cleaned up and fresh sites spawn after downtime. That would be a massive advantage for some players, disadvantage to the rest. Wasn't it like that in the past and it sucked?
I'm not against the change per se. Unfinished sites will help ease the market situation a bit. Smart explorers who know where to look will still find fresh sites. But the eventual despawn has to be consistent with when the first container was hacked. Perhaps after 4, 6, 12 hours or whatever would be adequate.



I've seen a couple voices against the cargo scan. But tell me how a solo explorer would ever get a bpc from a relic site with no cargo scanner? Who would collect data cans and miss out on the t2 loot for this slim chance?
Cargo scan isn't the issue. The issue is a spew mechanic designed for group activity that is impossible to balance for serving its purpose while not being unfair to solo explorers. The cherry picking wasn't an issue with the old system.

I also find the cargo scan gives at least a bit of depth to running the sites. Otherwise the loot spew would be completely dull. I get excited when i see i valuable bpc on the scan and then pray that nobody disturbs me and the minigame fairy is good to me.

Another thing during Sisi test the cans were completely random and as a result the loot was abysmal for solo, whereas a group would always get all the goodies. Not fair, not balanced.

I stay by my opinion that the main issue with the new sites is the low entry barrier.

I got to say, spending hours finding a site and then realizing it's mostly empty is very disheartening. I'm not asking for rewards to be handed to me for free or with little effort, but traveling system-to-system with zero results to only be teased with a half-empty site is pretty bad. I know that's not your intention as the developer, but I just wanted to express my feelings on the whole ordeal.

What really kicked me off the other day was not the empty sites per se, but the fact a corp mate of mine landed a load of faction tower BPC's in high security while I was shooting blanks in the most dangerous space. According to your marketing team and your trailers, we are supposed to be discovering the deep treasures of the darkest and secluded spots in the EVE Galaxy. Yet, it seems at least from a reward standpoint, my corp mate was AFK hacking while I was sweating bullets and dodging Goonswarm gate camps.

Reference --> TwitchTv.com/TehFamine

P.S

Thanks for the fix to kill sites after first can has been hacked.

I spent most of my play time tonight finding half-empty sites and with no real value. It was a bit upsetting for me and my viewers (TwitchTv Stream). I think even if they did implement this change, there is still only 2 cosmic signatures popping in null-sec for most regions. That leaves maybe a small percentage chance of them being a relic/data site to be hacked (i.e.: not enough sites to go around).

Put the rats back in. Exploration is too easy, nearly risk free.

You want to fly into low or null for isk? Then you need a ship that can handle the rats before you get to your tasty loot. And the kind of ship that can handle the rats that should be found there aren't going to be killed by some weak interdiction nullified T3 cloaky no risk taking ship.

Would make the whole use of covert op frigates for hacking void. I don't think they want to do that.

It would also mean that no one flew to null-sec for these sites. There is no way I'm bringing a cruiser size hull or above into hostile space. It's almost suicide because of the warp out times from gate-to-gate. That leaves only recon ships able to hack. Which again, means no risk.

Think before you post.

Hello again,

With today's Tranquility update we have released the fix for the sites not despawning correctly.
Now, after any container within a site has been successfully hacked, a site despawn timer initiates.

There will still be the possibility that you encounter a site that has been 'cherry picked' but it should be a lot rarer than before.
(You've just been unlucky enough to find a site that has just recently been run by another player)

As usual, please submit in-game bug reports if you find anything unusual about this side of exploration.

All the best,
CCP RedDawn

So now sites will respawn as aggresivly as after expansion thus making market tank even more.

I like it , you should reap what you sow.

Thanks for the much needed fix.
Out of curiosity... how long is the timer?
I tested it out but stopped counting after an hour.
Doesn't that seem a bit excessive?

I mean who takes that long to hack a site!?

The timer initiates on the first successful hack of a container and only counts down when the site is empty.
So if you are sitting in the site, it will not despawn.
If another player warps into the site before it has despawned the timer is paused and initiates again when they leave.
As for the length of the timer itself, I'm not telling.

The timer initiates on the first successful hack of a container and only counts down when the site is empty.
So if you are sitting in the site, it will not despawn.
If another player warps into the site before it has despawned the timer is paused and initiates again when they leave.
As for the length of the timer itself, I'm not telling.