Edited some of the mechanics
being able to bypass pardon's letter mechanic's by paying other pirate faction capsuleers for the LP to gain them

now pirates can not trade or contract over pardon letters. mechanic has been added to the prevent easy hHi-Sec access.

Give me a second while I go pop a bottle of 18 year old Chivers Regal, re-read this post and scream and shout in drunken excitement!!!

+1 Here

For the little hi-sec islands in low sec where you will start your Pirate FW career, are you suggesting that the security of that space would be the relevant pirate faction npcs that act like and as strong as the navy in hi-sec, that they engage people not enlisted as a part of that perticular Pirate FW?

I support this but ... also i would love to see more low sec. And part of this war to take also in low sec, not just null.

But this is absolutely one of best things (at least for me) that can happen to EvE. I would be loyal AS HELL Corpus or Centus Soldier !

Not sure about who would fight with who ... As far as i can tell you it would be Blood Raiders + Sansha vs Angel + Serpentis. I think Dread Guristas are more friends with Sansha/Blood Raiders than with Angel / Serpentis too. That could lead to some imbalance like 3 factions vs 2 . But in the end EVE is cruel world and is not meant to be FAIR ;).

this would require quite severe penalties otherwise there would be no reason to not join the pirate faction if you are already in FW. E.g.: standing penalties with all four factions would be the minimum. But the standing penalties are already so insignificant that it basically doesn't matter.

Just when I had lost hope that there would be any good ideas posted today.

+1

I would like to see pirate faction presence in lowsec. It makes more sense for them to have stations there than the empires fighting over the 0.1 status systems as they currently do.

I support this but ... also i would love to see more low sec. And part of this war to take also in low sec, not just null.

But this is absolutely one of best things (at least for me) that can happen to EvE. I would be loyal AS HELL Corpus or Centus Soldier !

Not sure about who would fight with who ... As far as i can tell you it would be Blood Raiders + Sansha vs Angel + Serpentis. I think Dread Guristas are more friends with Sansha/Blood Raiders than with Angel / Serpentis too. That could lead to some imbalance like 3 factions vs 2 . But in the end EVE is cruel world and is not meant to be FAIR ;).

I absolutely support this idea. Especially like the idea of gaining points for taking out navy faction pilots! LP's should be rewarded when destroying opposing pirate faction and neutral pilots too, but maybe in a smaller amount.

It would be a huge addition to existing FW system, and would sure make lowsec more alive and scenic than ever.

CCP, make it happen!

it will be the CONCORD of the Pirate Faction in the starter pirate system's to prevent Game Breaking Ganks and griefing.

Hold up.

Being serious here.

We anti-pirates had BETTER be able to go to systems next to pirate noob systems and gank in catalysts.

Just saying. It had better be possible, or this is no deal.

And CONCORD should PAY us for it!!!!

I love the idea of concord paying for ganking pirates. You wanna run with the pirate factions? Most of eve starts out by shooting pirates in asteroid belts for isk. Add players to the menu.

Hold up.

Being serious here.

We anti-pirates had BETTER be able to go to systems next to pirate noob systems and gank in catalysts.

Just saying. It had better be possible, or this is no deal.

And CONCORD should PAY us for it!!!!

I'm trying to wrap my head around the concept.

I remember way back talking to a mate about the ability for players to ACTUALLY join both a Police Faction and official Pirate factions in order to have mini-wars in both hisec and lowsec as people get to shoot the other ala FW.

Is this what you are pointing at, or just - like someoene said already - inverse the high-low sec situation to allow the pirate players killing ... what? Actual police ships?

Sorry, sorta confused.

pirate facwar sounds great but personally i would implement it with only loyalties vs every other faction ie serpentis+angels vs every other faction, Hell you could even do a Sansha vs everyone, or just make anyone who joins -10

Pirate FacWar sounds keen, but it's going to be a 0.0 thing, and joining a pirate faction is going to have to have to some pretty horrible consequences for your empire and CONCORD standings.

yes but instead you will get PIRATED a.k.a. CONCORDED

Pretty weird though that a do gooder would gank doesnt make that person a pirate then aswell?

but yes offcourse its the same mechanic
but with pirate faction as the local law enforcement to protect the rookie system a bit

That's a mistaken method of thinking, though. Ganking doesn't mean pirate.

Ganking is ambush. It's smart play. It's winning fights for a strategic purpose.

Pirating is, by nature, attacking others for the sake of stealing what they have.

In this case of attacking pirates, it would be more like a privateer, or authority sponsored piracy.

That's a mistaken method of thinking, though. Ganking doesn't mean pirate.

Ganking is ambush. It's smart play. It's winning fights for a strategic purpose.

Pirating is, by nature, attacking others for the sake of stealing what they have.

In this case of attacking pirates, it would be more like a privateer, or authority sponsored piracy.

I am quite certain the Blood Raiders would have a pilot.

If they won't have me then the Angels most certainly would!

Chuck the letter of pardon. It conflicts with the new sec-recovery system we see in place now.

...It would be a huge addition to existing FW system, and would sure make lowsec more alive and scenic than ever....

So you want to be gainfully employed on the farm but do not want to actually do any work on the farm .. I see a lot of effort going into describing how the pirate can make LP and not a single word about how he loses it (buying stuff is not losing it, but converting it).

Pirates do need to have something to do other than gank random people, but FW is not it. You'd need to do a hard nerf to pirate null sec or create a new set of LP stores with laughably bad offers for it to work .. pirate stuff is more often than not better than T2, there is a reason why LP generation is not as straightforward as FW's button orbiting for instance.

Portion low-sec up and let pirates take, hold and fight over turf.
Claim a constellation and have piraty activities in entire region in general and in constellation in particular count towards the claim.
Introduce contractual/formalised protection rackets, sentry gun circumvention, deep space hideouts and other nefarious things that would entice the less than honest to kill the locals and call the place home.

In summation: FW has been tried and has despite CCP's "efforts" it has in many respects failed .. today it is little more than a glorified farm with a wardec attached. Better to have a pirate specific system that can function alongside and on top (or below as the case may be) of FW mechanics (read: shared space but not mechanics).

Putting a little toothpick flag in the turd that is FW does not change the fact that it is still a turd. There would be minimally more life in low-sec with a large increase in farming behaviour as the ability to repair sec status is by no way exclusive to low-sec .. doubly so if it was possible to straight up buy access to high-sec even if only temporary.

Have pirate territory not directly compete with FW territory. Instead, let pirates initiate dust 514 mercenary battles against whatever defending/sov holding FW group is nearby or is owners of a district. They could hack sattellites to initiate battles.

-Then tie LP rewards into the capturing/attack/ and defense of temperate planets (battles occur around satellites). Being on grid when a district is won will grant LP.

-The more districts your faction holds the better system bonuses for the pirate factions and more penalties there are for sov-holding FW groups.

-Owning 100% of districts in the system gives causes FW militias a 20% capture penalty on either side and a +25% increased Ihub LP bleed rate. Lower amounts result in lesser bonuses.

-Conversely, higher rates of pirate district ownership means more pirate faction tag spawns (alternative income and traffic for camped/home systems).

-Regional remote pirate agents create deadspace missions that become like limited entrance pvp deadspace that operates like FW sites. With buttons, and extra NPC assistance compared to FW sites, if these buttons are defended or attacked, the victors get significant rewards from their factions divided among themselves, but LP can only come from Ihub LP bleed. If conducted in a lvl 0 system no LP will be rewarded (encourage missions in hottest zones).

Basically pirate 'faction warfare' wouldn't be so much about holding sovereignty as it would be about creating zones where players could risk and gain a lot from greater risks.

I'm here to bump this, even tho it's high. I REALLY WANT this more than anything to be implemented to this game.

Honestly it would be end game for me. I'm pretty sure i would stick to this. I already did like FW. But as i was starting game i was hoping i can somehow work for glory of Blood Raiders etc. In the end all i can do is some stupid missions in null sec ;/. It doesn't feel like i'm doing anything for those factions - so i don't even bother.

But i still think that low sec should be bigger overral. Especially with more FW. Null is too big...

Don't get me wrong i don't want null sec to be gone - but many people would stick to low sec no doubt if it was big enough.
Low sec is the only non carebear friendly place (maybe whs too). And what more it's also solo/small gang friendly - and FW is about that.

Interesting concept ill let it roll a bit and see if i can make something into the main post as addiion not sure yet though
i wil lahve to think about the machanics and how to palce them and see where the next game breaking feature might occur.

thanks for the feedback

Alternatively, I've thought that there really needs to be an overhaul to the way we interact with empire corps/ faction corps. I think we can still see the amount of shares that are available for each corp, but it would be really neat if we could somehow get involved in the ownership of those shares and became invested in their growth or destruction.

If somehow the networth of each faction/empire corp was in constant flux as a result of player actions, such as LP fees, payouts, services performed, office rental payments in stations, skillbooks bought, POS charters bought, etc. then the more isk going in, the higher the corp's networth increases.

Players could have the option of turning corp LP into shares of a corp and a share would always be weighted in proportion to LP. Basically, you could invest your LP into a corp, watch the value of your shares rise, and then cash out for a greater return.

However, occaisionally, having greater stakes in various companies could come with new kinds of influence. After having so many accumulated shares you could be designated with titles and claim offices within these corporations even without being members of the corp...this is in another post to come...

I support your sentiment, but shouldn't Pirate Faction have some sort of benefit superior to that of lowsec faction? Is it just the LP? And how would this new faction warfare affect the LP prices of those who currently run missions in that space? And what would the affect by on T2 implant prices, how would you preserve their price level?

Sorry to be a negative nancy, I support your idea fully, I just think you'd absolutely bomb the market for T2 implants if you were to flood the area with as much LP as I see FW guys in lowsec get

As long as joining the Pirate faction is based on security status and not standing, so flashy's actually get something out of being that, supported.

I would say this idea should be a point of focus for the next expension. Pilots and corps have been wanting to "join" with pirate factions for years now. Pilots use to do it in the roleplaying kind of way. This however would be a great improvment.

allthough this should be a player controlled substance it would just make the big boy's rich here you can flod your hands that goons PL TEST etc etc and some of the following wannabees spend the big isk directly after release
then eve would be broken in half with sledghammer.

but to comeback to your idea to make the sum up short it woul be a sort of sov mechanic i nthe mix with FW so to speak?

In the last 2 years I have made a number of threads encouraging this change to EVE.

A combination of changing how sec status interacts with highsec to increase pirate vulnerability there relative to their sec status, opening up pirate stations in those lowsec systems that have no NPC stations currently, changing FW mechanics so that it's harder to farm and adding NPC patrols of either pirate or faction ships (relative to which faction 'owns' the system) would be four changes that together I think would be worthy of an expansion *especially* if these also coincided with pirate faction ship rebalancing.

I support this but ... also i would love to see more low sec. And part of this war to take also in low sec, not just null.

But this is absolutely one of best things (at least for me) that can happen to EvE. I would be loyal AS HELL Corpus or Centus Soldier !

Not sure about who would fight with who ... As far as i can tell you it would be Blood Raiders + Sansha vs Angel + Serpentis. I think Dread Guristas are more friends with Sansha/Blood Raiders than with Angel / Serpentis too. That could lead to some imbalance like 3 factions vs 2 . But in the end EVE is cruel world and is not meant to be FAIR ;).

i would say it could depend on the territory, for example, between Amarr and Caldari we could have war between the Guristas and the Blood Raiders, maybe make it a 3 way warzone, with the Sansha as a third enemy. so we would have 3 way warzones like this:

Amarr/Caldari : Guristas vs Blood Raiders vs Sansha's Nation

Caldari/Minmatar : Blood Raiders vs Angels vs Guristas vs Sansha's Nation ( 4 way warzone)

Gallente/Minmatar : Serpentis vs Blood Raiders vs Angels (Serpentis would be allied with the Angels by default of course)

Gallente/Amarr : Serpentis vs Blood Raiders vs Sansha's Nation

Amarr/Minmatar : Blood Raiders vs Angels vs Sansha's Nation

Caldari/Gallente: Serpentis vs Guristas vs Sansha's Nation

as for the OP, how would this affect the Incursion Rewards?, i mean, would it be a way to get rare blueprints like for example, the Revenant?

I think this would be fantastic. It would be even better if they could actually seize the systems from the FW navies. Toss in some 3 way action and see where it goes.

only 19 likes for Pirate FW idea ? Screw you EvE community.

only 19 likes for Pirate FW idea ? Screw you EvE community.

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I'd absolutely love to be able to fly for the Cartel.

I don't think pirates should be in faction war but i believe that players should be able to join and fly for pirates corps. Think more of a jihad sort of game play. Pirate players join said faction, take missions to kill players of other factions for booty(akin to what a pirate would really do), Raid highsec in player supported incursions. What is a player run incursion you ask. Well it is a incursion that pirate players can go in and fight along side the regular rats without any repercussions from concord. These raids act as a normal incursion except the addition of players with the normal rats. Objective is as long as players keep the bar on the rats side, the incursion stays, think beachhead. The slaughter would be glorious, tears would flow when pirates start to hold highsec for periods of time. How would a -10 pirate get there, easy wormhole like sansha already do. Players would have to turn to powerful allies to help fight them off. The blood would stain the stars. Make rewards for players be worth the effort but not to great that pirate ships become the next isk sink. They could limit the rewards to implants like the concord incursions do. In lowsec they could take space the same way the fw pilots do but i believe that would bore the type off player that wants to be a pirate. Plus a pirate is abut raids not holding space if you want that join regular fw.

if you read the end it states, that the type of pilot who wants to fly for the pirates probably wouldn't want to own space. I added the ability just as a after thought. In hind sight i should not of added it at all. The ability to invade and hold high sec hostage, even for a short time, would be enough to make this game play fun. Also it goes more with what pirates would actually want to do. To add pirates to the FW mechanic would just not make sense. Now taking missions to disrupt faction war, that sounds like a pirate thing to do. missions could be to kill so many pilots, collect so many frozen corpses, Raid I-hub bashes and such.

Pirate FacWar sounds keen, but it's going to be a 0.0 thing, and joining a pirate faction is going to have to have to some pretty horrible consequences for your empire and CONCORD standings.

Am I seriously the only one that noticed this post. What do you know that you're not telling us? :)

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I'd absolutely love to be able to fly for the Cartel.

+1
And a bump from me good sir.

No reason the pirate factions shouldn't be in on the wars.

+1 I would love to see this someday.

This is a really good idea, it would make the warzone explode!!!