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Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 2255	Posted - 2013.06.17 05:02:00 - [31] - Quote Half of it I admittedly had to copy from you. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Mud Pandemonium Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 4	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:12:00 - [32] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: Half of it I admittedly had to copy from you. You know, the wrong parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liRjmPgF1K4
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 1327	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:14:00 - [33] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: Onictus wrote: Darth Gustav wrote: Tell me more about how scripted wdfg should stop populsion mods. I want to keep this thread on-topic for the sake of the forum rules. Nevermind the comedy. Call it a point of view thing. You are looking at it like a an MWD that blinks you 100km, I'm looking at it by name. micro-jump drive. If an infinipoint stops EVERY other jump drive in the game and keeps everything else from warping (in range) it should damp well stop the warp or the jump from a MJD. So laugh away. First of all, let me get this out of the way: The MJD is a propulsion module because that's how the game categorizes it. My viewpoint comes from CCP's mechanics department doing their job correctly. Meanwhile, your point of view comes frome extrapolating a case-example of a bunch of pseudo-scientific role-playing nonsense as a generalization to justify a terribad game mechanic. Now I realize that may seem unfair so I'm sorry you're not happy with the role-playing fiction behind the game mechanic (which makes sense). But if Scripted WDFG start stopping prop mods I'm leaving FA, forming my own pirate alliance, and dominating low-sec for the rest of the game's lifetime. I'm sorry, but that would be entirely op for mechanically-irrelevant role-play reasons. That's definitely not good for Eve. I'd follow you to the creepiest dark places good sir. Dual Pane idea: Click! CCP Please Implement
Destoya Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 106	Posted - 2013.06.17 06:23:00 - [34] - Quote Giving an underused ship class a (very niche) role for normal subcap combat is never a bad thing, taking away that role is
Darth Fett Iris Covenant The Gorgon Empire 46	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:16:00 - [35] - Quote Darth Gustav wrote: That is the same exact logic as: If scrams stop MWD, scripted WDFG should too. NOT correct. You not need to turn off MWD for kill MWDed ship. If you have enough speed you can keep him at proper distance. You can web him to reduce speed. But currently you need scrambler for kill MJD ship, as after jump it appear at 100km away from you, outside any your tackling modules range. Align - MJD - insta warp after - you cannot prevent it without scrambler if it done good. Even if you have your own MJD you cannot keep him tackled. You cannot decrease their jump distance with webs. No scrambler=no kill (blobs, that insta shoting BS not count). Currently MJD is not prop module. It infinite warpstab without penalties.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3547	Posted - 2013.06.17 07:45:00 - [36] - Quote Darth Fett wrote: Darth Gustav wrote: That is the same exact logic as: If scrams stop MWD, scripted WDFG should too. NOT correct. You not need to turn off MWD for kill MWDed ship. If you have enough speed you can keep him at proper distance. You can web him to reduce speed. But currently you need scrambler for kill MJD ship, as after jump it appear at 100km away from you, outside any your tackling modules range. Align - MJD - insta warp after - you cannot prevent it without scrambler if it done good. Even if you have your own MJD you cannot keep him tackled. You cannot decrease their jump distance with webs. No scrambler=no kill (blobs, that insta shoting BS not count). Currently MJD is not prop module. It infinite warpstab without penalties. It is aligning to it's uncancelable MJD destination for several seconds before it jumps. Then once it lands, it'll have to align out. Once you see them spooling up, head to where they will be in 10 seconds and tackle them again there. Then work on killing them for another 2 minutes before they can do it again. No need for a scram at any point (hehehe) during this process. Just the ability to get a 28km radius (OH T2 point. You really should be using an interceptor for this) around your ship to intersect the endpoint of a 100km line with > 10 seconds notice. If they're trying to align to a planet before hitting the MJD, bump them once they've spooled up, then go to the endpoint of that line. Or... you know... fit a scram. Or fly a semi-competant Arazu (~100km point meet 100km MJD trip). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Darth Fett Iris Covenant The Gorgon Empire 46	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:15:00 - [37] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: No need for a scram at any point (hehehe) during this process. Just the ability to get a 28km radius Ok lets do a deal. Duel at spot in hisec, i will be in MJD BS, you will be in interceptor with warp disruptor (scramblers not allowed). We in one fleet. If you can hold me at this spot during 10 munutes you win and i will pay 1000mil to you. If i warp off - you fail and you will pay 1000mil to me. OK?
Liam Mirren 629	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:35:00 - [38] - Quote Here's how I'm reading this thread: OP: "MJD are a bit silly and completely "out of character" within EVE, making engagements hilariously ********". replies: "NOOO DON'T TAKE MY NEW FAD STRATEGY AWAY FROM MEEEEEEE (ps: I'm still crying over all the nano nerfs, never should have been removed because it wasn't dumb at all). I'll go troll you with fallacies and dumb logic, using smoke and mirrors to try and keep any factual discussion from happening. Because if I don't people might pick up on that idea and we wouldn't want that as that might affect CCP's stance on the whole situation and I'm too scared to deal with that since MJD allows me to run away a lot, I LOVE running away". Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Alyssa Yotosala School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 121	Posted - 2013.06.17 08:45:00 - [39] - Quote Liam Mirren wrote: Here's how I'm reading this thread: OP: "MJD are a bit silly and completely "out of character" within EVE, making engagements hilariously ********". replies: "NOOO DON'T TAKE MY NEW FAD STRATEGY AWAY FROM MEEEEEEE (ps: I'm still crying over all the nano nerfs, never should have been removed because it wasn't dumb at all). I'll go troll you with fallacies and dumb logic, using smoke and mirrors to try and keep any factual discussion from happening. Because if I don't people might pick up on that idea and we wouldn't want that as that might affect CCP's stance on the whole situation and I'm too scared to deal with that since MJD allows me to run away a lot, I LOVE running away". Can a mod please close this thread, the quoted post above perfectly explains and answers everything that is mentioned in this thread. /thread
Rual Storge Caldari Provisions Caldari State 26	Posted - 2013.06.17 10:00:00 - [40] - Quote First: hi onictus, Second: hic bubbles should stop them, what else are hic's gud for anyways these days
Haramir Haleths Nutella Bande 10	Posted - 2013.06.17 10:58:00 - [41] - Quote Ok .... let get the idea behind .... If you change MJD to the worse, nobody will fly a BS like before MJD. If you leave MJD alone. You can catch BS with a scram and you will get a BS kill. Right ? Any Questions ?
Oggat The Adam's Family 23	Posted - 2013.06.17 11:00:00 - [42] - Quote And still nobody fits them. obligatory disclaimer, validating the .000001% times some guy put one on and MJD'ed off a station to see the effect.
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 272	Posted - 2013.06.17 13:08:00 - [43] - Quote Oggat wrote: And still nobody fits them. obligatory disclaimer, validating the .000001% times some guy put one on and MJD'ed off a station to see the effect. They see some use, they do interesting things for the SR battleship game.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 3548	Posted - 2013.06.17 13:41:00 - [44] - Quote Darth Fett wrote: RubyPorto wrote: No need for a scram at any point (hehehe) during this process. Just the ability to get a 28km radius Ok lets do a deal. Duel at spot in hisec, i will be in MJD BS, you will be in interceptor with warp disruptor (scramblers not allowed, no other aggression allowed except warp disrupting from you to me. garant - Chribba). We in one fleet. If you can hold me at this spot during 10 munutes you win and i will pay 1000mil to you. If i warp off - you fail and you will pay 1000mil to me. OK? Since Faction Police would have some fun with me, no. Come down and visit the Outer Ring and see what happens instead. You can, and people do, keep MJD battleships tackled without scrams. It's hard, and simply fitting a scram is generally a better idea, but it is possible. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10167	Posted - 2013.06.17 14:59:00 - [45] - Quote Darth Fett wrote: Hi I found this in patchnotes: The Focused Warp Disruption Script for Warp Disruption Field Generators will no longer prevent the Micro Jump Drive from activating. http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-retribution-1.1 Why now even Heavy Interdictor - ship, that disigned for tackling, cannot stop MJD? A wizard did it. Fit a scram to your HIC, it's a really good idea. 1 Kings 12:11
BoBoZoBo Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team 237	Posted - 2013.06.17 15:10:00 - [46] - Quote Next thing is - if it cannot prevent a Micro Jump Drive - why does it prevent a capital jump drive? TBH WARP scramblers should not prevent JUMP drives. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 1327	Posted - 2013.06.17 16:54:00 - [47] - Quote Darth Fett wrote: RubyPorto wrote: No need for a scram at any point (hehehe) during this process. Just the ability to get a 28km radius Ok lets do a deal. Duel at spot in hisec, i will be in MJD BS, you will be in interceptor with warp disruptor (scramblers not allowed, no other aggression allowed except warp disrupting from you to me. garant - Chribba). We in one fleet. If you can hold me at this spot during 10 munutes you win and i will pay 1000mil to you. If i warp off - you fail and you will pay 1000mil to me. OK? I will not be able to hold you in a spot, but I sure as hell will be able to hold you long enough for bigger ships to come and kill you. Provided the grid doesn't 'break', for 10 minutes, I could hold you on a single grid in an inty pretty easily. May I use a stealth bomber instead of an interceptor? If so, I accept your challenge. Is there bonus for solo killing you? Bonus round, if I can flip it and kill you in an inty with a MJD bs, will you offer more? (edit) the only thing I ask is that you actually fit the ship for combat. No weak crap like warp stabs, nanos or agility boosters. Fit the ship the way you'd fit an actual tanked MJD BS to fight, not to run. Dual Pane idea: Click! CCP Please Implement
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 1327	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:03:00 - [48] - Quote BoBoZoBo wrote: Next thing is - if it cannot prevent a Micro Jump Drive - why does it prevent a capital jump drive? TBH WARP scramblers should not prevent JUMP drives. This has been answered a few times, but I'll have a crack at it. Because a MJD is, for all intents and purposes, a propulsion module where a capital jump drive is not. Dual Pane idea: Click! CCP Please Implement
MailDeadDrop Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities 193	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:38:00 - [49] - Quote This horse may have been beaten sufficiently, but in case it hasn't... Focused interdiction modules disrupt capital jump drives. Capital jump drives are inherent parts of most capital ships (i.e. they aren't modules which can be fitted or unfitted). Micro jump drives are not inherent parts of any ship. They are propulsion modules. Aside, I suppose a black ops battleship could have both a micro jump drive and a non-micro jump drive, in which case to stop it one would need both an interdiction jammer and a scram. MDD
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 2259	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:42:00 - [50] - Quote CCP unambiguously classified the MJD as and treated it like a Propulsion Module. The current mechanics are correct. Until scripted WDFG disrupt other propulsion modules (namely the MWD) it's ridiculous to expect them to stop the MJD, an edge case on a hull class that legitimately needed a face lift. Well played, CCP. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Rob Crowley State War Academy 71	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:40:00 - [51] - Quote BoBoZoBo wrote: Next thing is - if it cannot prevent a Micro Jump Drive - why does it prevent a capital jump drive? Because a big, complex, general purpose machine is more easily disrupted than a smaller, simpler, specialized machine. That was easy, next question!
Darth Gustav Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension 2259	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:23:00 - [52] - Quote Rob Crowley wrote: BoBoZoBo wrote: Next thing is - if it cannot prevent a Micro Jump Drive - why does it prevent a capital jump drive? Because a big, complex, general purpose machine is more easily disrupted than a smaller, simpler, specialized machine. That was easy, next question! Also, the real reason is that game balance trumps pseudo-scientific role-play nonsense every time. Good game design with poor justification is more playable than poor game design with good justification. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension 272	Posted - 2013.06.17 21:05:00 - [53] - Quote Zagdul wrote: Bonus round, if I can flip it and kill you in an inty with a MJD bs, will you offer more? That is the big issue there.
Estella Osoka Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords 110	Posted - 2013.06.17 21:06:00 - [54] - Quote Does a MJD, when activated, say "Warp Drive Active"? No, because it is a prop mod. Warp Scramblers stop MJD bcause they are designed to disable them. TL;DR: Use a Warp Scambler and stop using Warp Disrupters

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