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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.22 11:50:00 -
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I propose that CCP should sell ISK and ingame items for RL cash
Why?
We all know that the EULA prevents the sale of ISK for RL cash. This clause attempts to prevent others (Ebayers)gaining money from CCP's intelectual property.
It was generally accepted that the reverse was also true. That CCP frowned upon purchase of ISK for RL cash. With CCP's blessing on the sale of ETC's (game time cards) it is clear that as long as CCP get their cut then they are satisfied.
The current situation
Theres obviously demand. No matter how many petitions are filed and macroers banned, they still find a way. That means it has to be profitable and worth the hassle.
Thats RL money that could be swelling CCP's coffers.
In fact quite the opposite happens atm, its placing strain on their resources. Petitions have to be invetigated, mineral prices crash so newbs have to work harder to earn ISK and so on.
Lets stop tiptoeing around this and just accept that the world has changed. People spend money to be better at their hobbies all the time. I have a snazzy mountain bike, not a Tesco special. My squash racquet wouldnt be out of place on the space shuttle. Whats wrong with fluttering a bit of moolah on a game?
Proposal in a bit more detail
- A bit of work was done in the excellent post by CmdrRat to establish that the current baseline ISK/RL$ is 1USD=7.3mill ISK
- CCP should open up a web shop and sell items based on this exchange rate.
+ 1 unit of tier 2 bs = $13.70
+ 1 unit of tier 1 bs = $9.60
+ 1 unit of covetor = $3.40
+ 50 mill ISK = $6.80
- Items purchased with RL cash should be supplied by the market so that there is demand for producers, this prevents their efforts being undermined (haha pun!)
Advantages of this system
- It puts the money in CCP's pocket and not the macroers. They can improve the game with this money.
- Done properly, with a sliding "cost of ISK" - it will kill macroers. Put simply, CCP can do this more cheaply.
- This is a game. Demand for ISK has proven that the "golden ratio" is wrong atm. Hell, gimme a crow for $2 and I can pvp for a few hours instead of renting a dvd.
So, there it is. Valid proposal or downtime delusions?
*cough* Available for work as a consultant for this idea, will accept cash or shiny ingame toys as pay.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.22 11:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Deja Thoris
Valid proposal or downtime delusions?
Downtime delusion.
Ever played Entropia?
EVE is not Entropia.
Thank ******* god.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.11.22 11:52:00 -
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The funny thing about selling isks for GTC's is that the isks in question already exist. Your 'solution' would result in CCP creating isks and feeding inflation.
Which is absurd.
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.11.22 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
The funny thing about selling isks for GTC's is that the isks in question already exist. Your 'solution' would result in CCP creating isks and feeding inflation.
Which is absurd.
That's point #1
Point #2. Player X buys "n" amount of isk from CCP and use that amount to buy a fully officer fitted Rattlesnake. Rattlesnake goes poof to unknown bug wich GM's don't aknowledge.
Here comes sueing CCP.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.22 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
Originally by: Discorporation
The funny thing about selling isks for GTC's is that the isks in question already exist. Your 'solution' would result in CCP creating isks and feeding inflation.
Which is absurd.
That's point #1
Point #2. Player X buys "n" amount of isk from CCP and use that amount to buy a fully officer fitted Rattlesnake. Rattlesnake goes poof to unknown bug wich GM's don't aknowledge.
Here comes sueing CCP.
EVE has no bugs!!!!
Time = RL cash. People could sue anyway, its not a hard connection to make.
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AdriaLima
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Posted - 2005.11.22 11:59:00 -
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Its not a totally bad idea ..but to be honest i think alot of people would buy isk and perhaps BS's aswell.
I know i would.
Problem would be that it would cause a huge imbalance specially for those who worked to become very good producers of said items.
At least with the macro miners its "contained" ...though i must admit considering the fairly large number of macro miners it makes me wonder just how many people buy isk on ebay and such sites.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 22/11/2005 12:02:21
Here's what I'd do:
1)No More GTC's for ISK, RLC only.
2)All trial accounts on a separate server, TQ peeps can join this newb server to learn the youngins...
3)When players petition macro miners, and those players are confirmed to be macro miners by the GM's, the GM's perma-flag all those characters as outlaws, and the rest of us can gank them anywhere anytime without Concord interference.
4)Setup an eBay sting, catch players buying EVE Online items & ISK for RLC, ban them in a 3 strikes you're out system.
Out of game wealth SHOULD NOT play any part of in-game success...
It's a ******* game with a persistant univese, lets keep everything in-game and keep RL variables out of it.
The only RL variable should be how much time the person plays the game...
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Ashraaf
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:08:00 -
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Not at all absurd
Actually, i don't buy item for cash in any game i play, I don't sell my item for cash too
If there's a shop.
I don't buy item for cash, it's definitively the last things i do, i prefer keep money to go to the fanfest 2006 
I'm not sure that i don't sell item, maybe if i found the opportunity or the real stuff, but i won't do it as a regular basis
We saw more and more miners and more and more site selling stuff for eve. 
That's reality, we must play with that. I mine and produce, but i see that this part of the game get ruined by intensive macro miner, belt depleted, trit going down...
I've got no choice to adapt, change or leave
(I'm not leaving and someone allready claim my stuff) 
That put some advantage for players. Cut down the macroer stuff cause who want to buy 10M isk 1Ç if you can have 15M for the same Ç.
That put the reverse effect if player sell item on the shop. Who want to sell the fresh produce BShip if he can sell it for 10Ç
It's something, us players have to consider. this is part of the game, Asian population do it in every game, and we saw it more and more in other game (Daoc, Wow, EQ...)
Isk sell/Buy we could chose not do to it, but we could not actually ignore it 
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Poseiden
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:10:00 -
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Nice bit of reverse psychology deja 
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Rovol
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:14:00 -
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Very very very very bad idea imho......
I firmly believe that isk should only be obtainable through in game activity. I have no respect whatsoever for those that buy in game items with RL cash.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rovol
Very very very very bad idea imho......
I firmly believe that isk should only be obtainable through in game activity. I have no respect whatsoever for those that buy in game items with RL cash.
You say that. But why is it wrong? I've yet to see it articulated.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:19:00 -
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Such things are inevitable and as with Real Life black markets, the best way to undermine them is to make them legal. Once you've made them legal, you can remove the criminal element completely by supplying the items in question yourself. There are two benefits:
(1) You remove the criminal element as they will no longer make a profit,
(2) You profit yourself from supply of the items in question.
Either way, you are simply dealing with supply and demand - something I know a lot of you on the forums are hugely in favour of (especially the Tech II BPO owners). Don't close your eyes and pretend there isn't a demand out there for items in return for cash. There is. And no amount of fiddling about will remove that demand.
So, I agree with the OP proposal.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Rovol
Very very very very bad idea imho......
I firmly believe that isk should only be obtainable through in game activity. I have no respect whatsoever for those that buy in game items with RL cash.
You say that. But why is it wrong? I've yet to see it articulated.
Ever tried playing chess against someone who just takes your queen off the board because he's richer than you are?
Stuff you want in the game, you should earn, IN THE GAME.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Stuff you want in the game, you should earn, IN THE GAME.
So true, but hopelessly deluded. The black market already exists. Should CCP spend ever more resources on trying to defeat it (it can never be defeated) or should they go with the flow and allow it to happen, only control it?
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Khatred
Originally by: Discorporation
The funny thing about selling isks for GTC's is that the isks in question already exist. Your 'solution' would result in CCP creating isks and feeding inflation.
Which is absurd.
That's point #1
Point #2. Player X buys "n" amount of isk from CCP and use that amount to buy a fully officer fitted Rattlesnake. Rattlesnake goes poof to unknown bug wich GM's don't aknowledge.
Here comes sueing CCP.
EVE has no bugs!!!!
Time = RL cash. People could sue anyway, its not a hard connection to make.
No actualy you can't. There is in the EULA a small part that says "You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game"
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: babyblue
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Stuff you want in the game, you should earn, IN THE GAME.
So true, but hopelessly deluded. The black market already exists. Should CCP spend ever more resources on trying to defeat it (it can never be defeated) or should they go with the flow and allow it to happen, only control it?
I've played games wherey you can buy the best stuff for IRL cash. If it happens to EVE, I'm gone. It'd be a complete waste of time me even trying to compete.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:25:00 -
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take yer high falution , item buying with cash ideas and get the hell off this game and go play entropia. see how much fun that game is, then youll see why its bad idea.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:25:00 -
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so when i pop 2 ishtars i have killed over 30 dollars in RL cash  LOL, that makes me scared of even flying my own bs
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:27:00 -
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Why can't we just live in harmony and get rid of money?
All it brings is jealousy and disatisfaction.
Hug a tree, it's free.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
take yer high falution , item buying with cash ideas and get the hell off this game and go play entropia. see how much fun that game is, then youll see why its bad idea.
So am I correct in saying you are against this idea? Care to say why?
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: babyblue
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Stuff you want in the game, you should earn, IN THE GAME.
So true, but hopelessly deluded. The black market already exists. Should CCP spend ever more resources on trying to defeat it (it can never be defeated) or should they go with the flow and allow it to happen, only control it?
I've played games wherey you can buy the best stuff for IRL cash. If it happens to EVE, I'm gone. It'd be a complete waste of time me even trying to compete.
Yes. I'm not arguing whether it's philosophically sound or not. Class A drugs are generally considered to be bad of course. They are available on the black market which is generally controlled by criminals. Law enforcement can put an increasingly large proportion of it's resources into fighting the criminals, or it can legalise class A and spend some of the money saved educating people about the -ve effects of the drugs. Much like we do with smoking. It's actually quite interesting to see how obviously good such a policy would be, but how obviously incapable we are as a society of accepting it as so.
The black market exists whether we think it's a good thing or not. The only question is whether to fight it, or embrace it.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
so when i pop 2 ishtars i have killed over 30 dollars in RL cash LOL, that makes me scared of even flying my own bs
Dont pop em nub. Ransom them for $5
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Maderda Kuhal
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:33:00 -
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I have a much better, fun idea. It's obvious who the isk farmers are. They don't try to hide. Groups mining in a belt, most having the same ship, all belong to npc corps, all about the same birth date. So, if CCP would just let us declare against people in npc corps the problem would be solved. Blow them up, they get new stuff, blow them up they get new stuff. It would be like shooting npc rats. 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Maderda Kuhal
I have a much better, fun idea. It's obvious who the isk farmers are. They don't try to hide. Groups mining in a belt, most having the same ship, all belong to npc corps, all about the same birth date. So, if CCP would just let us declare against people in npc corps the problem would be solved. Blow them up, they get new stuff, blow them up they get new stuff. It would be like shooting npc rats.
Please keep to the topic and keep stupid (yes stupid) ideas out of here. Your idea is a newbie griefers wet dream.
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Tiny Carlos
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Maderda Kuhal
I have a much better, fun idea. It's obvious who the isk farmers are. They don't try to hide. Groups mining in a belt, most having the same ship, all belong to npc corps, all about the same birth date. So, if CCP would just let us declare against people in npc corps the problem would be solved. Blow them up, they get new stuff, blow them up they get new stuff. It would be like shooting npc rats.
Please keep to the topic and keep stupid (yes stupid) ideas out of here. Your idea is a newbie griefers wet dream.
I don't think you should be so quick to call other people ideas stupid, not with this thread to your name.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Carlos
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Maderda Kuhal
I have a much better, fun idea. It's obvious who the isk farmers are. They don't try to hide. Groups mining in a belt, most having the same ship, all belong to npc corps, all about the same birth date. So, if CCP would just let us declare against people in npc corps the problem would be solved. Blow them up, they get new stuff, blow them up they get new stuff. It would be like shooting npc rats.
Please keep to the topic and keep stupid (yes stupid) ideas out of here. Your idea is a newbie griefers wet dream.
I don't think you should be so quick to call other people ideas stupid, not with this thread to your name.
I'm sorry, you contributed what? Why is it stupid? I named valid benefits.
1) more profit for CCP
2) More fun for players
3) Macroers a thing of the past.
Name me the downsides please?
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Kim Usemake
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Posted - 2005.11.22 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I'm sorry, you contributed what? Why is it stupid? I named valid benefits.
1) more profit for CCP
2) More fun for playerswith plenty of spare cash IRL
3) Macroers a thing of the past.
Name me the downsides please?
The beauty of an MMO is that it allows an environment where personal skill and expertise can let you succeed or fail, not whether or not daddy's credit card is handy.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.11.22 13:01:00 -
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The macrominers will just undercut CCP.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.11.22 13:01:00 -
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if u want RL cash for assets ingame go play some other game - eve is built upon ingame ability and with the about of nerfs etc nothing item wise ever remains the same anyway
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Dahin
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Posted - 2005.11.22 13:02:00 -
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I propose that pirates now ransom people for gametime cards.
And then, since it's not illegal, sell the gametime cards on ebay.
How ebil is that...
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