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Spoon1	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:35:00 - [1] What do you guys think is the best BS for PvE ? Raven perhaps?
Sonreir	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:37:00 - [2] Dominix
Soul Queen	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:38:00 - [3] I like my raven, but ive never flown gallente / amarr types so i cant give an across the board opinion.
Spoon1	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:38:00 - [4] It would be nice if I knew how to set a poll up here to vote on Originally by: Sonreir Dominix Drone power takes it eh?
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:39:00 - [5] Raven all the way! ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:42:00 - [6] Dominix does own, but simply cant break a lot of stuff fast enough. I reckon it comes in second. Raven is the king of solo BS PvE.
Spoon1	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Testy Mctest Dominix does own, but simply cant break a lot of stuff fast enough. I reckon it comes in second. Raven is the king of solo BS PvE. I thought looking at the setups it would have to be the toughest, but then again Im a newbie, so who better to ask then not-newbies.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.24 11:47:00 - [8] Apoc.
Corvus Anderran	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Deja Thoris Apoc. Spot on. The Raven might be close, but unfortunately since I would literally die from embarassment at flying such an ugly ship, Apoc wins.
babylonstew	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:20:00 - [10] machariel, then apoc second
Other Minion	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:24:00 - [11] For non faction BS it is Raven and Apoc. They are about equal. A Apoc or Raven can be pimped out with officer gear and solo lvl 4s or high lvl complexs. The apoc is actually cheaper then the raven to pimp out, and less common for some reason. (it requires higher skills to use)
Marcsen	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:28:00 - [12] I agree that Apoc and Raven are pretty close to each other. BUT as PVE is all about moneymaking, tha Apoc wins as it doesn't need missiles. ---[G]---
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Spoon1 I thought looking at the setups it would have to be the toughest, but then again Im a newbie, so who better to ask then not-newbies. You'd be surprised at how newbie people can be after playing for 2 years :P
pk blinder	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:34:00 - [14] For 0.0 ratting, I would say Apoc as you don't need to carry ammo for lasers, but then lasers have a tough time with some hardened npcs, and you need to carry some kinetic or explosive missiles. For sheer survival and wtfpwnage, I wuld vote for the Raven, every time. Great ship - Superb tank and high DPS which is easily attainable without massive skills. Can do a variety of damage and has many different set ups. PK
Mikkel	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:38:00 - [15] Why tank if you can gank! :) I allways use a geddon in 0.0 1 med repper 2 cap relays and 5 heatsinks will kill everything before u are in armor.
Roba	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:40:00 - [16] Originally by: pk blinder For 0.0 ratting, I would say Apoc as you don't need to carry ammo for lasers, but then lasers have a tough time with some hardened npcs, and you need to carry some kinetic or explosive missiles. For sheer survival and wtfpwnage, I wuld vote for the Raven, every time. Great ship - Superb tank and high DPS which is easily attainable without massive skills. Can do a variety of damage and has many different set ups. PK You don't need to fit launchers. You can use Quad Light Beam II lasers. They are med guns, and do enough dps to rip up crusiers and frigates. They have small laser style tracking, but are a med gun with more dmg.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.11.24 12:41:00 - [17] I prefer the megathron, it kills stuff faster then anything else, just jas less staying power. Still, nothing it can't do that an apoc or raven can do when it comes to pve. The only pity is the ammo use. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Keylah	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:03:00 - [18] Apocalypse
Grey Area	Posted - 2005.11.24 13:22:00 - [19] I'd vote Apoc. I can fly both the Apoc and the Raven. The Raven is probably better at level 4 missions (as long as you have your setup geared for them) but the size of it's ammo really gimps it for long runs away from home. The Apoc is far more self contained, and has more choice in terms of setup. Groovy CURVES, and the SPREADSHEET that made 'em
Chris Henry	Posted - 2005.11.24 14:16:00 - [20] Probably the best non-faction setup BS is the Dom. Shove a large Gist on the Raven however and you have yourself a winner.
Stratosfear	Posted - 2005.11.24 14:39:00 - [21] Raven has an edge over the Apoc because of damage type choice. Killing Angels with an Apoc is not fun.
Lord Morkoth	Posted - 2005.11.24 14:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Mikkel Why tank if you can gank! :) I allways use a geddon in 0.0 1 med repper 2 cap relays and 5 heatsinks will kill everything before u are in armor. would be nice to see u try and take on a officer spawn like that -sland bezt f heimi <=> The Collective
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Stratosfear Raven has an edge over the Apoc because of damage type choice. Killing Angels with an Apoc is not fun. Fit 8 projectiles If you cant kill em you can tank em till downtime
Rex Martell	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:16:00 - [24] Dominix 6 x Electron Blasters Full Dual Large Armour Tank 15 Heavies Otherwise APOC for sheer tanktasticness. "The object of war is not to die for your corp, but to make the other b@##@#d die for his"
Evil Edna	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:18:00 - [25] dominix but not with that setup ^^ Killboard.co.uk In game channel kr0m-public
Elfaen Ethenwe	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Stratosfear Raven has an edge over the Apoc because of damage type choice. Killing Angels with an Apoc is not fun. Fit 8 projectiles If you cant kill em you can tank em till downtime lol.
Thetis	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Corvus Anderran Originally by: Deja Thoris Apoc. Spot on. The Raven might be close, but unfortunately since I would literally die from embarassment at flying such an ugly ship, Apoc wins. O.o... the Apoc is far uglier than the raven... I mean, its Yellow... It looks like some 5y/o's drawing of a phaser rifle from star-trek. The Raven isnt pretty, but at least it looks like a spacecraft!!
Amerame	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:32:00 - [28] PvE is a bit vague, dominix can certainly perform most of the PvE stuff very efficiently, ratting, running mission, feeding shield / armor / energy in complexes, mining, not many ship can mine as well and still be able to dispatch BSes spawn in belts. It's cheap to fit, cheap to buy, you don't need ammos.
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.11.24 15:42:00 - [29] belt whoring: vindicator :) After that probably raven. Anyway HAC > BS for npcing. Originally by: WildCard "NOW Flyzone" before after Be back in a year or so
Spoon1	Posted - 2005.11.25 01:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Amerame PvE is a bit vague, dominix can certainly perform most of the PvE stuff very efficiently, ratting, running mission, feeding shield / armor / energy in complexes, mining, not many ship can mine as well and still be able to dispatch BSes spawn in belts. It's cheap to fit, cheap to buy, you don't need ammos. Yeah, I have heard from a few people that the Domi can solo mine in 0.0 (would be an interesting setup?) but I would like to do mission!
Ghoest	Posted - 2005.11.25 03:24:00 - [31] Poor Minmatar.
Jim Hsu	Posted - 2005.11.25 05:17:00 - [32] A Tempest can be effective against Angels, as far as I know. A Typhoon then... well... -- The market isn't broken. It's just de-regulated.
Lesican	Posted - 2005.11.25 09:10:00 - [33] Tempest - Can solo all lvl 4 Angel missions, dont often do missions against the 2 damage type rats cause its a bit easy/dull, cause of all the spare slots i end up with.
Lauriers	Posted - 2005.11.25 11:10:00 - [34] after trying Domi and Mega I prefer the mega, nothing ever survives
pshepherd	Posted - 2005.11.25 14:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Spoon1 Yeah, I have heard from a few people that the Domi can solo mine in 0.0 (would be an interesting setup?) the dominix is the best 0.0 miner, 6 DCM 2's, 15 harv drones, large armour reps (t2) and 3-4 hardners. and a tonne of drones to kill any NPC's. i can even tank officer spawns AND keep mining in it ============== This is a sig
Ralitge boyter	Posted - 2005.11.25 14:54:00 - [36] Poor little Minmatar... They have their use rat hunting in angel space, with the 100Km warp in and all. But still any BS sized ship out there beats it at PvE tasks, and mining of course... But what about the Typhoon? Why doesn't anyone... well what would it be good for other then trashing it? SO my vote would be a Raven as that is the one I can fly the Apoc is at least on par and the Domi is getting there still the domi I think has a little disadvantage over the other two due to their limited range but thats just me... ------------------------------------------- Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me.
Furion35	Posted - 2005.11.25 15:22:00 - [37] Competitors Raven Pros: All damage types, still have armor if shields get eaten up, Missiles (Missiles) Cons: Less sustainable tank (in most cases), Ammo :/ takes up much space and money, Apocalypse Pros: Possibly the best tank (2 large rep, 3 hardeners), No ammo and adjustable range (though there is crystal changing bug) Cons: Restricted damage type (EM and Thermal), Dominix: Pros: All around good tank and damage, Cons: Aquired taste for looks (or do Domi pilots try not to look?? ), Drones can be dumb (dont follow command, get stuck on each other)
Germain	Posted - 2005.11.25 15:31:00 - [38] Edited by: Germain on 25/11/2005 15:32:11 i love my tempy its poo but it more fun been in structure i love to pop 6 curises in 6secs from 165km+ away its so cool. and six frigs in one volly is so cool looks like bonfire night. And 2.5million BSspawns dont last long as well from range close up its so poo the autocannons need some love CCP
Arleonenis	Posted - 2005.11.25 15:43:00 - [39] 0.0 apoc if enemy is sansha/blood and to some degree serpentis (if others than raven) lvl4 raven (apoc could be good against blood/sanshas and to some degree serpentis oponents) as you see it depends what you fight against, i really dont reccomend apoc against angels, raven could do all damage types so is mors multipurpose but it have big drawback in 0.0: ammo usage, but in agent running its irrelevant and now missles really dont cost much they are 10 times cheaper than year ago (same minerals but batch is 100 not 10)
Spoon1	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:13:00 - [40] Originally by: pshepherd the dominix is the best 0.0 miner, 6 DCM 2's, 15 harv drones, large armour reps (t2) and 3-4 hardners. my newbie-ness showing, what are DCM's ?
DARKKK	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:29:00 - [41] deep core miners. I prefered mining & chaining at same time :)
Naurhir	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:35:00 - [42] Quote: 0.0 apoc if enemy is sansha/blood and to some degree serpentis (if others than raven) lvl4 raven (apoc could be good against blood/sanshas and to some degree serpentis oponents) Quote: I agree
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Lesican Tempest - Can solo all lvl 4 Angel missions, dont often do missions against the 2 damage type rats cause its a bit easy/dull, cause of all the spare slots i end up with. What sort of fitting do you use for that? Standard T1/2 or are we talking a Gisti heavy ship here? Harry Voyager ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
Spoon1	Posted - 2005.11.26 11:41:00 - [44] Thanks Darkk
Lesican	Posted - 2005.11.26 14:55:00 - [45] Originally by: Harry Voyager Originally by: Lesican Tempest - Can solo all lvl 4 Angel missions, dont often do missions against the 2 damage type rats cause its a bit easy/dull, cause of all the spare slots i end up with. What sort of fitting do you use for that? Standard T1/2 or are we talking a Gisti heavy ship here? Harry Voyager I run a t1/t2 build, no officer mods etc, dual 650mm auto's are your friend :)
Destructor1792	Posted - 2005.11.27 18:09:00 - [46] Originally by: Lesican Tempest - Can solo all lvl 4 Angel missions, dont often do missions against the 2 damage type rats cause its a bit easy/dull, cause of all the spare slots i end up with. I'd have to say Tempest as well. Probably one of the most hardest ships to get good at in Eve, but if you put the time & effort in, they are a devastating BS to fly And armor tanking 2 x 1 mill rats & god knows what else with only one hardner going & reps giving it what for is an absolute joy ______________________________________ something, something, something swiggly goes here apparently --and the computer says... "NO"--
Violent Desire	Posted - 2005.11.27 20:50:00 - [47] apoc, can tank for ages. Raven a close second tho
Shinca	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:01:00 - [48] I'd say domi but then I can only fly gallente BS... I just started playing around in missions with it and was totaly suprised how fast 15 T2 heavys can melt the NPC BSs... and with 1 target painter the frigs were gone in seconds OK, to use 15 drones takes a while but 13 should be plenty for most situations on top of that it can either shield tank or armor tank (armor for me since I have better skills for that)... for the armor tank I prefer LAR + 1600 plate instead of 2 LAR since it's not so cap hungry... and you don't need the speed as much as you do in a MT plus it's much cheaper than any tier 2 BS there are few things that are anoying: - drones getting stuck - drones not obeying you - drones aggroing all the NPC groups if you are not careful ----------------------------- O o ¦ ≤¦)))>((
dmaul raven	Posted - 2005.11.27 22:51:00 - [49] Im using an armor tanked raven nowadays. Im quite happy with it. Im going to train for ammar BShips though, i will choose then -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.11.27 23:10:00 - [50] Edited by: FalloutBoy on 27/11/2005 23:12:06 dominix all the way. so easy to fit its not funny. 6xmedium guns (serps and guristas I use medium rails, Bloods and Sanshas I use beams, Angels I use artys) 5xCap rechargers (fb-10s or better) 2xLarge Rep IIs, 3xRacial hardners, 2xCap Relays nothing it can't take down. also fun to replace guns with miners and find a tripple spawn to chain while you mine. after patch when 5 drones will = the 15 the domi now has, and the addition of the highslot drone control mods you can essentially double your drone damage from the current. you'll essentially have 30 of todays drones which will rip any bs apart really fast
Spoon1	Posted - 2005.11.28 00:01:00 - [51] Originally by: FalloutBoy after patch when 5 drones will = the 15 the domi now has, and the addition of the highslot drone control mods you can essentially double your drone damage from the current. you'll essentially have 30 of todays drones which will rip any bs apart really fast I was going to get a raven, but you just talked me back into gallente
Aryth	Posted - 2005.11.28 01:29:00 - [52] Domi all the way. The fact is that a dom is cheap and it does many different jobs very well. The big shoe just rocks. "We demand ridgedly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
Ab Initio	Posted - 2005.11.28 03:08:00 - [53] Depending on my need, I use: Dom - Best all rounder.. Gank and tank. Megathron - It all dies before it even gets close to you. Raven - I run a 2 x LAR, 2 x Hardner armor tank on the raven.. Runs 23/7, superb tank.
Porro	Posted - 2005.11.28 03:12:00 - [54] Originally by: FalloutBoy after patch when 5 drones will = the 15 the domi now has, and the addition of the highslot drone control mods you can essentially double your drone damage from the current. you'll essentially have 30 of todays drones which will rip any bs apart really fast The highslot drone mods effect range iirc, low slots = damage, and med = tracking. Unless theres a super sikrit other drone module :P
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.11.28 03:35:00 - [55] Raven easily. More so after RMR.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.11.28 03:40:00 - [56] "The highslot drone mods effect range iirc, low slots = damage, and med = tracking. Unless theres a super sikrit other drone module :P" Well, apparently there's also Drone Control Unit I Gives you one extra drone. You can only activate 5 modules at the same time. (high slot, 75 cpu, 5 mw, needs Drone Interfacing 4) ... so it'd seem ships can actually have up to 10 drones launched at once, as long as they have enough cpu and give up some high slots o.O
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.11.28 10:31:00 - [57] All things being equal skill wise : Level 4 missions : Raven Hands down, Machariel, Navy Issue Apoc, tempest, Typhoon ( dont do missions myself but I wingman sometimes for kicks and giggles and Never once am I needed if the first two ships are used. ) 0.0 hunting : Machariel, Raven, Tempest, Apoc, dominix After RMR 0.0 : Raven, Machariel, Tempest, Apoc Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
husk harn	Posted - 2005.11.28 10:36:00 - [58] i use a dominix to mine and ratting in 0.0; it's good for missions too, but don't go in a (difficult) complex with it raven can do anything
Dexter Rast	Posted - 2005.11.28 11:13:00 - [59] best ship to use for pve is the ship you have the most skill points for and also what npc`s you are fighting. raven should be used agasint gurista`s, serps and angels, sheild tank 4tw apoc/geddon for dispensing with sanchas and bloods but its whatever floats your boat, i like to use my tempest and phoon for doing my missions, but it depends on what mission you are doing to what ship i use, for general npc`ing i would vote the raven to be the more user freindly --------------------------------------------- Please use a signature that conforms with the EVE-Online forum rules for signatures - Jacques'

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