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Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.11.27 01:48:00 - [301] Originally by: Maya Rkell I am SO not going to disagree on SOE's customer service(I'd link Tweety's rant but I'd get into trouble for the title). I'm not against selling time cards for ISK, I'd just utterly stop advertising of the "service". You advertise time cards? Ban. That lets people with private arrangements of ISK for time cards (for people who have a lower disposable income / no credit card) to continue, which tbh is my prime concern here. I'd agree entirely with this. - Proud member of the [23]. Don't get the reference in my sig? Click it.
Amerame	Posted - 2005.11.27 01:58:00 - [302] Originally by: Maya Rkell I am SO not going to disagree on SOE's customer service(I'd link Tweety's rant but I'd get into trouble for the title). I'm not against selling time cards for ISK, I'd just utterly stop advertising of the "service". You advertise time cards? Ban. That lets people with private arrangements of ISK for time cards (for people who have a lower disposable income / no credit card) to continue, which tbh is my prime concern here. This sounds like a decent compromise, to disallow the use of public forum and channels to advertise it.
Kim Chee	Posted - 2005.11.27 03:31:00 - [303] IMHO, anything in the game world should stay in the game world. If you have more real-life money than I do, all it should buy you is more months of play time. If the devs want to let you exchange in-game ISK for play time, it should be directly credited to your account... not provided in any form that can be re-sold or exchanged. If GTC's can be purchased with in-game ISK, and you get the actual real-world GTC... then they can be re-sold for cash. That rewards and encourages the very macro-miners and exploiters that the devs work so hard to eliminate.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.27 04:04:00 - [304] Originally by: Maya Rkell I'm not against selling time cards for ISK, I'd just utterly stop advertising of the "service". You advertise time cards? Ban. That lets people with private arrangements of ISK for time cards (for people who have a lower disposable income / no credit card) to continue, which tbh is my prime concern here. Thats the only way GTCs should work. No reselling. You get it from CCP or not at all. I don't buy the 'I have no means to pay' BS. If you don't have $15 extra per month ot pay to play, then you might want to consider spendign your game time improving that situation. As for mailing money, CCP would probably accept foreign currency but you may have to include alittle extra for the exchange cost that you yourself would have to pay (but really, most banks in any nation tend to carry US currency, which im sure CCP would take). ------------------------------------ Quote: 1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225 90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
Theonlystd	Posted - 2005.11.27 04:10:00 - [305] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Maya Rkell I'm not against selling time cards for ISK, I'd just utterly stop advertising of the "service". You advertise time cards? Ban. That lets people with private arrangements of ISK for time cards (for people who have a lower disposable income / no credit card) to continue, which tbh is my prime concern here. Thats the only way GTCs should work. No reselling. You get it from CCP or not at all. I don't buy the 'I have no means to pay' BS. If you don't have $15 extra per month ot pay to play, then you might want to consider spendign your game time improving that situation. As for mailing money, CCP would probably accept foreign currency but you may have to include alittle extra for the exchange cost that you yourself would have to pay (but really, most banks in any nation tend to carry US currency, which im sure CCP would take). And y do you get to decide who gets to pay or not? There are poeple out there who have rough patchs and such. And this will allow them to keep playing. You have a problem with game money being exchanged for gametime maybe its time for you to a play single player game? ------------------------------------------- Aye Spellcheck is beyond me along with propper grammer.
BloodSpoon	Posted - 2005.11.27 04:13:00 - [306] Edited by: BloodSpoon on 27/11/2005 04:14:09 thats like saying people who can't afford the gametime shouldn't play and jsut go for a walk... the rain falls on the just and unjust alike "ooooohh theres nothing wrong with killer robots from venus"
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2005.11.27 04:47:00 - [307] Originally by: BloodSpoon Edited by: BloodSpoon on 27/11/2005 04:14:09 thats like saying people who can't afford the gametime shouldn't play and jsut go for a walk... I can't afford a Viper and a Mansion, does that mean I should still get them? Sorry, but I believe people who arethat tight on money would be better off using it elsewhere, and as for the rough times, I've already given an idea of how to help with such a thing, but odds are most people haven't read even a small minority of the posts in this thread. ------------------------------------ Quote: 1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225 90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.
Theonlystd	Posted - 2005.11.27 05:15:00 - [308] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: BloodSpoon Edited by: BloodSpoon on 27/11/2005 04:14:09 thats like saying people who can't afford the gametime shouldn't play and jsut go for a walk... I can't afford a Viper and a Mansion, does that mean I should still get them? Sorry, but I believe people who arethat tight on money would be better off using it elsewhere, and as for the rough times, I've already given an idea of how to help with such a thing, but odds are most people haven't read even a small minority of the posts in this thread. bad comparision but eh if he offered you a viper or a mansion in a trade for some of your man hours after work. You'd pass that up? of course not And donno who made your believes the final say on everything. You know i can afford 15dollars pretty easily but if i start generating the isk to buy gamecards i will. That 15dollars can buy me a game or a meal. It allows poeple to play the game for free and continue playing. Allows poelpe with hetic lifes a bit of isk to play with. And really affects you none. I mean poeple have billions upon billions how much can these weekend players drive up the prices . What'll happen is you'll get to blow up some noobs 400dollar ship and get a good laff. And no i didnt bother to read all 11 pages of whining. ------------------------------------------- Aye Spellcheck is beyond me along with propper grammer.
DeathForMeh	Posted - 2005.11.27 05:38:00 - [309] Frankly Im a collage student some of us wouldnt want to play eve as much if we had to pay for it instead of being able to pay for it with isk. plz dont get the devs to ban my time codes =( -------------------------------------------- X I was here
Menelak Faf	Posted - 2005.11.27 06:57:00 - [310] Lets take this a step further. What happens if someone wants to sell ISK for real money.. completely legally? Step 1: Someone buys a time card to sell for ISK. Step 2: Person buys time card with ISK. Step 3: Buyer lists code on Ebay (offering instant delivery, so no physical card is required). Step 4: Profit! I'm insane, I know. SoonÖ is relative.
Lord Frost	Posted - 2005.11.27 08:59:00 - [311] This is such a HUGE decision that needs to be made quick. It simply goes against everything pure about Eve. CCP needs to alteast SUSPEND all isk for GTCs as soon as possible... if not now, then tomorrow. This action should not be going on until a new and full investigation goes into this entire matter. Once again, as for my personal beliefs... - if you can't afford Eve, don't play - if you don't have the time, don't play - if you are selfish and want everything now, don't play This is an outrage! Mrs. Eve is turning over in her grave! How could anyone ever have thought to implement such a degrading rule that simply slaps everyone in the face who has put in so much of their time and effort to obtain their success in Eve! And I'm not talking just a "whap", I mean a KABASH! every hour, 7 days a week, for years! Timecards simply lessen the value of what we all earned... who would now even care to do anything, if a few hundred bucks can get you everything. Shame.
Arshes Nei	Posted - 2005.11.27 09:37:00 - [312] Originally by: Maya Rkell I'm not against selling time cards for ISK, I'd just utterly stop advertising of the "service". You advertise time cards? Ban. That lets people with private arrangements of ISK for time cards (for people who have a lower disposable income / no credit card) to continue, which tbh is my prime concern here. That sounds like a decent compromise, basicly going back to how things where before this became public knowledge. People always have traded GTCs ingame, just not openly and to the extend we see now. Of course that means no scam protection, but that wasnt a problem before people started buying them from strangers.
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.11.27 09:41:00 - [313] It needs disallowed pending review, not bloody allowed pending review. People are rushing to trade game time cards now in case they get disallowed for trade again. Real damage is being caused.
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2005.11.27 09:58:00 - [314] Originally by: Menelak Faf Lets take this a step further. What happens if someone wants to sell ISK for real money.. completely legally? Step 1: Someone buys a time card to sell for ISK. Step 2: Person buys time card with ISK. Step 3: Buyer lists code on Ebay (offering instant delivery, so no physical card is required). Step 4: Profit! I'm insane, I know. Thats what i've been saying all along. BAN IT. As others have said, if you really are that strapped for $15, you should possibly invest your time into getting either another job, or more hours at your current one. I'm sorry but they would have had to pay somehow to activate the account, if they cant afford to keep up the subscription, then they should stop playing. Simple. I had to take a break of a month because I had no money for myself, whats wrong with that? As for this *****s about people not having a way to pay, im sorry but take it this way. A ** website might take Visa, and Mastercard, just because it doesnt take switch doesnt mean I get to whine about it... if I want to view the lovely ladies inside, I am just going to have to get a new card.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.11.27 11:32:00 - [315] Has anyone come up with something that invalidates my argument that allowing regulated gtc sales in fact might very well have a sever negative impact on the greater evil that is isk farming for cash ? All you people that shout and whine about how isk farmers will buy timecards in bulk (which has yet to be observed anywhere) and will sell them on ebay (which has yet to be observed there). You all simple ignore a very valid argument that points out how this is not going to happen, and in fact would be great if it happened, since it would gradually put farmers out of work. Now, if you are replying here because you are of the opinion that buying isk should be prohibited on moral grounds, and that the sideeffect of allowing it that is partly doing away with the farmining business is not desiable enough, then go ahead. I'm personally not decided on wether buying isk for rl cash should (if regulated and possible with some limitations) be allowed under the current circumstances or not. I do however think that gtc'sales are GOOD at this time, since the way in which CCP has allowed them works against farming instead of rewarding it. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Galk	Posted - 2005.11.27 12:03:00 - [316] Edited by: Galk on 27/11/2005 12:04:58 Originally by: Rod Blaine All you people that shout and whine about how isk farmers will buy timecards in bulk (which has yet to be observed anywhere) Linkage "Temporarily out of 90 Day codes, I will be getting more soon so I'm taking back orders." Sigh...... ----------- When they asked me if i knew you, id smile and say you were a friend of mine.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.11.27 12:07:00 - [317] Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 27/11/2005 12:04:58 Originally by: Rod Blaine All you people that shout and whine about how isk farmers will buy timecards in bulk (which has yet to be observed anywhere) Linkage "Temporarily out of 90 Day codes, I will be getting more soon so I'm taking back orders." Sigh...... That is selling in bulk m8, not buying in bulk. I'm quite sure CCP is smart enough to keep an eye on the wallets of those selling gtc's in bulk aren't they ? All I've seen sof ar is people buying a few at a time. If there's bulk buying for isk going on via sellers like this one, then I;m all for it since nothing could make tracing the farmers any easier for CCP at thsi time. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.11.27 12:11:00 - [318] Like I said, selling in bulk and buying in bulk pretain to two wholly different arguments here. Those that sell in bulk are taking their trustfunds and buying game power for them. Controversial yes, and I'm in no way saying I support that practice when seen apart from the next one. Those that buy gtc's for isk in bulk to resell on ebay would be isk farmers converting isk to rl cash. And these are the guys that disrupt our game the most. Not to mention the guys causing the most unrest. It's the bulk buying that is supposedly going to happen according to Dark Shikari and alot of others here. I'm utterly unconvinced it will, and quite convinced that if it would, it would actually have a positive eff3ect on isk farming overall rather then a negative effect. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Galk	Posted - 2005.11.27 12:13:00 - [319] Well as he kept informing people he was running out and obtaining more, i just took the inference. Still it's been done to death, from certain quotes that have gone up, i expect something will change very soon. ----------- When they asked me if i knew you, id smile and say you were a friend of mine.
TarianH	Posted - 2005.11.27 12:23:00 - [320] /Signed
Galk	Posted - 2005.11.27 12:33:00 - [321] Shikari was quoting kieron: Originally by: Dark Shikari Dark Shikari > and I feel a bit cheated tbh kieron > As I stated in one of the many forum threads on this topic, we allowed the trade of ISK for TCs to help players that may be less financially fortunate and as an off-shoot of the ISK for game services policy kieron > When we were discussing it, we had no idea that it would turn around and bite us in the butt. kieron > I think the policy is going to be reviewed. More than that, I can't say right now[/size=2] Ill take it as it comes, but after a review id expect clarification and the reasoning behind it to be made clear. If ccp are willing to do that, then personal choices can be made. I respect your arguements on limited sales, but i won't play ignorant on those willing to take advantage of the current free for all on the issue. Ill leave it in ccp's hands for now. ----------- When they asked me if i knew you, id smile and say you were a friend of mine.
Numeram	Posted - 2005.11.27 12:41:00 - [322] Edited by: Numeram on 27/11/2005 12:40:59 Well, that's good news then.
thesulei	Posted - 2005.11.27 12:57:00 - [323] Not signed (and no, I'd don't sell GTC nor pay for my sub with isk). I liked it back when selling GTC for isk was done outside of official channels and at a small scale. You had to know somebody who knew somebody who sold GTC for isk...
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.11.27 13:04:00 - [324] Originally by: Staranc After reading some posts I've gotta say one thing... Most people are jealous of the fact that people can use there in game wealth to buy GTC's while the ones who can't purchase with ingame wealth have to pay using cash. Its facts... thats what i believe. I beleive the world is flat. Does that make it a fact? No. It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I could go buy ETC's but I choose not too.
Ninsoku	Posted - 2005.11.27 13:05:00 - [325] signed
Gan Ning	Posted - 2005.11.27 13:13:00 - [326] /signed if someone earns thier isk through hard npc'ing, mining or whatever then i respect that. If they can just go and buy gamecards and sell them for isk just because they're loaded in rl then i think that spoils the game and more importantly the spirit of gameplay. It just becomes a game of "i have more rl money than you so I win"
Lord Frost	Posted - 2005.11.27 18:30:00 - [327] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Staranc After reading some posts I've gotta say one thing... Most people are jealous of the fact that people can use there in game wealth to buy GTC's while the ones who can't purchase with ingame wealth have to pay using cash. Its facts... thats what i believe. I beleive the world is flat. Does that make it a fact? No. It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I could go buy ETC's but I choose not too. Its not a "jealous" issue. I actually feel sorry for the lad who has to spend a few hundred bucks to actually compete in this game. Its a selfish issue. The guy selling timecards is so selfish he could give a rats arse about the tens of thousands of player before him that earned and obtained the game through long hours and hard work... I think THAT man is jealous that he can't commit to building large Empires as many of us have.
L'ithillian Kin	Posted - 2005.11.27 19:39:00 - [328] Signed
velox	Posted - 2005.11.27 20:54:00 - [329] /signed Always aiming one step beyond the edge.
Pandemic Thinking	Posted - 2005.11.27 21:45:00 - [330] SIGNed

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