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Kaeljen Dae
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Posted - 2005.11.25 13:56:00 -
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Signed.
GTCs for ISK is one of CCP's greatest errors if you ask me. I think that the only way of gaining things on Tranquility should be by
a) paying for an account and therefore being able to play (time = RL money but also tranquility ISK)
b) Spending time in the game to make money.
I always thought that EVE was a completely capitalistic game in which it was all about making ISK. I thought this was the "goal" of the game, and the ways to achieve it and they used to be fun.
Why does CCP allow an object outside tranquility (Game card) to get linked to anything ingame (ISK)? I am very upset about this and I am completely sure I will lose my interest in EVE progressively as this goes on (as I have been losing interest with all this macroing).
I therefore bid all honest Players behind the characters who have joined EVE thinking the same as I did to take their time and think. I love this game and I don't want it to get corrupted by this stuff. I know many more love this game too and I know that you, as I do, do trust that the guys at CCP are crazy and they love their game as much and more than we do, and that they are doing their best to keep this game great and to improve it.
I know you guys at CCP won't abandon us but please realize that this is a GREAT Issue for us and shift more attention to it. With every day that passes there are more people suffering from this "corruption". People who have to spend double the time in the (boring) 1.0 asteroid-belts to afford a bantam than what they would have to because of macroers, people who will never be able to buy a T2 BPO, no matter how much time they spend in game, because someone decides to invest 1000Ç in GTCs and makes insane bids for T2 BPOs raising the puts for the next T2 BPO.
I wonder if there is anything we players can do to keep Tranquility an isolated system? I'm more than willing to and I know that the only problem here is a lack of manpower @ CCP. You guys can bet your behinds on the fact that there are more people that want to keep the system clean like me.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:16:00 -
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I think the only infuence RL cash should have is on paying for accounts, anything else should be removed, so no isk/item/ship selling, no account selling, if u want to make more ISK get more accounts.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Feta Solamnia
b) I don't think this will ever happen. That is unless the billing department finds and easier alternative for getting gametime without a creditcard.
Tried PayByCash?
It requires no credit card, no bank account, no nothing, only an envelope, dollar bills, and a stamp. And a pen and printer.
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Heywhatareyoudoinhere
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:31:00 -
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Not signed.
If poor players can mine three or four afternoons to earn one month of free gameplay, then there will be a lot more of players in total. Maybe it will improve gameplay.
Becouse there is same price for all around the world (not to mention richest states have it lower) but there is huge difference in our income. How many westerners will play Eve if monthly fee will be 3x or 5x higher than now? But it is another story anyhow.
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Resnik
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:36:00 -
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Not signed, Lets say that im below 18 years old, I can't afford credit card, noone in my family have credit card, and only shop in country have time cards over priced. I think its ok to buy timecards for ISK ...BUT... I would like to see something like CCP ISK GTC shop, so actualy we pay isk to CCP, and if we draw a line, CCP gets the profit anyway, but only if someone else buy's that time card for real money. Only stuff that bugs me, is that some RL rich ppl benefit so much then in eve 
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Dezzereth
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:38:00 -
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Signed
Ingame cash for ingame services, RL cash for RL services.
If the two mix up in MMOs the results usually are less than satisfying. People with more RL cash at hand should not get an ingame advantage.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:38:00 -
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down with timecard selling!
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hattifnatt
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:48:00 -
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Resnik
Not signed, Lets say that im below 18 years old, I can't afford credit card, noone in my family have credit card, and only shop in country have time cards over priced. I think its ok to buy timecards for ISK ...BUT... I would like to see something like CCP ISK GTC shop, so actualy we pay isk to CCP, and if we draw a line, CCP gets the profit anyway, but only if someone else buy's that time card for real money. Only stuff that bugs me, is that some RL rich ppl benefit so much then in eve
I don't have a credit card, and I pay with 20 dollar bills through the farking mail.
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Kaeljen Dae
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Posted - 2005.11.25 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Resnik
Not signed, Lets say that im below 18 years old, I can't afford credit card, noone in my family have credit card, and only shop in country have time cards over priced. I think its ok to buy timecards for ISK ...BUT... I would like to see something like CCP ISK GTC shop, so actualy we pay isk to CCP, and if we draw a line, CCP gets the profit anyway, but only if someone else buy's that time card for real money. Only stuff that bugs me, is that some RL rich ppl benefit so much then in eve
I think that the conditions you name rather exclude you from playing. Just like a person being unable to pay for a computer will be unable to play EVE.
Or are we now allowed to slave poorer people into "working" EVE - it would no longer be "playing" as it would lack the fun - for a certain amount of time because they can't afford the game if they don't? Wouldn't that be like selling ***** to be able to consume ***** yourself?
Then, from an ethical point of view, it's better to allow people to sell ISK for real money, since they can at least have a form of income by spending their time in the game, and don't build up an adiction which has no RL advantage.
Still wondering what Ethics are right.
Kaeljen Dae
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.11.25 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling
i'm FAIRly tired - got work tomoro, and it's 3am. i tihnk this is pointless, cos it's gonna get locked. on the other hand, it may not. so if this hasn't been locked when i wake up tomoro, you can have 5m ISK. i really think it won't happen
First of all... someone needs to pay up! 
Secondly...
We all can see there is an overwhelming support to ban these timecards. I can see several still support the feature to sell them, based only on the fact that they wish to not put in the long "boring" hours to earn isk. That's a pretty hypocritical statement in a game based on work effort and determination.
Eve was founded by the hard workers, team players, and determined corps spending countless days on end striving for wealth and prosperity. We all suffered through years obtaining and earning and developing our wealth. Just because you don't have the TIME and wish to pvp/gank all the legit souls out there, does not make it right for these timecards to squander the purity of this game.
Besides, why should a timecard seller get all the benefits of being rich, and then not have any sense of value on what he earned. If a timecard can be obtained ingame, then by all means sell it in game, but we all know what the facts are here.
There is a very discouraging thought ahead for Eve.
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2005.11.25 15:40:00 -
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Signed
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chillz
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Posted - 2005.11.25 15:47:00 -
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signed.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.11.25 15:53:00 -
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I think CCP should do whatever they can to increase their revenue. They are a business and more cash equals more investment for current/future projects. As far as I can see these schemes do not in any way affect the character of the game.
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Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2005.11.25 16:02:00 -
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So people can now buy GT cards, and then trade them back to CCP for vast ammounts of ISK? Or have I gotten confused?
If it is the above - then:
WTF!? 
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Naj Menda
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Posted - 2005.11.25 16:33:00 -
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I like the diversity of Eve. Personally i prefer the economic part, i always liked economy simulations. And i have a lot of fun with it in eve, making investments, expanding, making more investments and seeing my trade "empire" prospering. Players who buy ISK for money don't change anything with that. As someone already mentioned in this thread the ISKs just move to another owner, it's no difference to a gift from one player to another, no involved inflation, no other satanic events. I just continue doing investments, expanding, making more investments and seeing my trade "empire" prospering, and you don't believe it, i still have fun with it. ;)
Those people who earn money by selling ISK... I don't begrudge them, i'm happy that there are more effective instruments at my disposal. Actually it would even make me a benefactor if i'd buy ISK from them, though i have to admit, i am to egoistic, i need the challenge of building up my tiny empire from scratch to have most fun.
I'm new to Eve and i miss the knowledge to judge the impact of selling ISK for money on PvP, but this thread leaves a somewhat flat aftertaste. Might it be, that there is some envy involved? |
GriefzorZ
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Posted - 2005.11.25 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: GriefzorZ on 25/11/2005 16:43:42
Edited by: GriefzorZ on 25/11/2005 16:43:16
Isk trades for RL cash happen if you like it or not. Now I'm not 100% behind this time card strategy either, but it gives the people who would otherwise buy their Isk from shady sources a means to get their Isk in a legit way. And it gives those people who would otherwise sell their ingame Isk to the same shady sources a means to get a game time extension for it. Of course, the "get time code for isk then sell on Ebay for cash" is a workaround strategy which I don't agree with.
The time code deal offers plus the jetcan container changes in the next patch, which will hopefully result in a full time harassment of the macro miners, are the best I've seen in a long time from CCP regarding the macroer / out of game Isk sales plague.
Therefore: not signed.
*edit: I bought 2 timecard extensions for 600M and my little niece will be very pleased at christmas as her gift value will be extended by that saved amount 
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.11.25 16:46:00 -
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Signed.
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Nimie
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Posted - 2005.11.25 16:56:00 -
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sorry, not signed. this can only help the game.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.11.25 16:58:00 -
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Signed.
I don't like the way this is going the way of Sony... :S
Chinese server perhaps, but TQ has always had a clear line between ingame ISK and out of game cash. That needs to remain.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2005.11.25 16:59:00 -
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signed, even if the devs have said before that they will explicitly not listen to these /signed threads.
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KALZUL
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Posted - 2005.11.25 17:15:00 -
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Not signed
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Xrak
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Posted - 2005.11.25 17:15:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Hmmph.
I'll sign.
I have some personal experience with this. I've worked long and hard to make every ISK I have--and thus I value it. Though I have nearly 3 billion in the wallet atm and far more in assets, it matters to me when I spend it and lose it. If I lost 500 million right now, I could count up the days it took me to earn it.
I have a RL friend who recently bought himself like 14 gametime codes and sold them for ISK. He now has over 4 billion ISK, basically none of it earned himself. I can tell from how he acts that he doesn't really value it that much either; as he knows if he wants more, he can just sell more gametime cards.
I have this very, very strong feeling inside that this entire system is wrong on so many levels.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.11.25 17:20:00 -
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I completely agree with the original post.
I find it utterly discusting that ccp are willing to throw away the principles and foundations of the game.
I find rather sad that people that once saw the reality of eve and it's in game concequences are now supporting this.
The paying of isk instead of cash to support their accounts has sadly in my eyes made me lose a lot of respect for some people.
It makes me sick to see certain people complaining about macro miners, while at the same time taking up these timecode offers.
The prinicple behind it is exactly the same.
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Nomious
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Posted - 2005.11.25 17:24:00 -
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/signed
Maybe if it was just CCP doing the selling of timecards for isk it wouldnÆt be so bad idea for those who donÆt have a credit card or canÆt buy the timecards any other way.
But letting the players handle this and you know itÆs going to be abused.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.25 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Omniwar
your all just upset cause u are poor suckers in real life and u can't buy timecards....just do it yourself and get rich !!! WOOHOO !!!
must.. not... troll....
/hides under his bridge to avoid another forum warning
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.11.25 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: HippoKing on 25/11/2005 17:49:09
oh yeah, i forgot to say:
/signed 
i don't want eve to go all SOE on my ass. there is a quote round here somewhere from kieron saying "there are no plans for SOE to take over EVE".
thats no excuse for CCP to turn into SOE (we're not there yet, nowhere near, but it still feels like we keep getting closer)
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2005.11.25 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Edited by: HippoKing on 25/11/2005 17:49:09
oh yeah, i forgot to say:
/signed
i don't want eve to go all SOE on my ass. there is a quote round here somewhere from kieron saying "there are no plans for SOE to take over EVE".
thats no excuse for CCP to turn into SOE (we're not there yet, nowhere near, but it still feels like we keep getting closer)
i just bought mine, i can play this game for free :)
i just can't afford the psp, x360 AND eve-online ( dont have a job 15-y/o)
maybe ccp should sell these time codes for 300 mil isk
and give the mony to the
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Gummi
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Posted - 2005.11.25 18:13:00 -
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Here is a thought, I dont have them much 
1 Billion isk currently sells on ebay for about $225
90 day GTC $38.95 Currently selling for 300mill
Therefore 1Bill isk costs you $129.50.. thats a cool $95.50 profit for the ebay isk sellers. Without the hassle of macromining, etc.
Either this is very clever on CCP's part, to reduce the ammount of macrominers, or very silly to allow ebayers make easy money.
This could have been posted earlier, but I am too lazy to read through 5 pages.
Gummi
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2005.11.25 18:16:00 -
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Signed, Signed, Nay Thrice Signed
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